Can Sir Keir Starmer revive the Labour Party? (Vol. 2)

[crankedup5]

SKS a announces his ambition to raise the defence budget to 2.5% and his unerring support for the nuclear deterrent. No surprise to read of the disdain from the corbynites (momentum) once again raising their voices getting very twitchy over their leaders ‘U’ turn’ since becoming the Labour leader. Thought they may have waited until Labour are in power, nope, not a bit of it, brother.

[bitchstewie]

Sorry but what are you actually complaining about?

[Rufus Stone]

bhstewie said:

Sorry but what are you actually complaining about?

Labour in general. At least he's moved on from the EU.

[crankedup5]

Rufus Stone said:

bhstewie said:

Sorry but what are you actually complaining about?

Labour in general. At least he's moved on from the EU.

Nope, this is the starmer thread, easy confusion for you.

[crankedup5]

bhstewie said:

Sorry but what are you actually complaining about?

It’s an observation stewie and one which deserves to be in this thread. Does it offend you in some way?

[S600BSB]

crankedup5 said:

SKS a announces his ambition to raise the defence budget to 2.5% and his unerring support for the nuclear deterrent. No surprise to read of the disdain from the corbynites (momentum) once again raising their voices getting very twitchy over their leaders ‘U’ turn’ since becoming the Labour leader. Thought they may have waited until Labour are in power, nope, not a bit of it, brother.

Tbh, that is why SKS is going to need a decent majority. Some decisions are going to be unpopular with some parts of the party. Confident he will deliver just that. 80-100 seats would be my guess.

[borcy]

crankedup5 said:

SKS a announces his ambition to raise the defence budget to 2.5% and his unerring support for the nuclear deterrent. No surprise to read of the disdain from the corbynites (momentum) once again raising their voices getting very twitchy over their leaders ‘U’ turn’ since becoming the Labour leader. Thought they may have waited until Labour are in power, nope, not a bit of it, brother.

Who in the labour party is getting twitchy over potential defence spending?

[vaud]

S600BSB said:

Tbh, that is why SKS is going to need a decent majority. Some decisions are going to be unpopular with some parts of the party. Confident he will deliver just that. 80-100 seats would be my guess.

That would be reasonable. I don't want any party to have a 200 seat majority as it means they cannot be held to account of have more extreme legislation kept in check. A healthy majority is fine and SKS sounds like a centrist more and more. UK is generally centrist/mild conservative in values so probably 2 terms for Labour minimum.

[S600BSB]

vaud said:

S600BSB said:

Tbh, that is why SKS is going to need a decent majority. Some decisions are going to be unpopular with some parts of the party. Confident he will deliver just that. 80-100 seats would be my guess.

That would be reasonable. I don't want any party to have a 200 seat majority as it means they cannot be held to account of have more extreme legislation kept in check. A healthy majority is fine and SKS sounds like a centrist more and more. UK is generally centrist/mild conservative in values so probably 2 terms for Labour minimum.

Sounds about right. It’s going to take at least a couple of parliaments to sort out the mess the country is in - probably longer.

[Wombat3]

S600BSB said:

vaud said:

S600BSB said:

Tbh, that is why SKS is going to need a decent majority. Some decisions are going to be unpopular with some parts of the party. Confident he will deliver just that. 80-100 seats would be my guess.

That would be reasonable. I don't want any party to have a 200 seat majority as it means they cannot be held to account of have more extreme legislation kept in check. A healthy majority is fine and SKS sounds like a centrist more and more. UK is generally centrist/mild conservative in values so probably 2 terms for Labour minimum.

Sounds about right. It’s going to take at least a couple of parliaments to sort out the mess the country is in - probably longer.

It's never going to get sorted out if you are relying on politicians to do it. SkS being a centrist is optimistic based on his track record.

Mind you , expecting him to maintain any position for more than about 10 minutes is optimistic!

[andy43]

Wombat3 said:

S600BSB said:

vaud said:

S600BSB said:

Tbh, that is why SKS is going to need a decent majority. Some decisions are going to be unpopular with some parts of the party. Confident he will deliver just that. 80-100 seats would be my guess.

That would be reasonable. I don't want any party to have a 200 seat majority as it means they cannot be held to account of have more extreme legislation kept in check. A healthy majority is fine and SKS sounds like a centrist more and more. UK is generally centrist/mild conservative in values so probably 2 terms for Labour minimum.

Sounds about right. It’s going to take at least a couple of parliaments to sort out the mess the country is in - probably longer.

It's never going to get sorted out if you are relying on politicians to do it. SkS being a centrist is optimistic based on his track record.

Mind you , expecting him to maintain any position for more than about 10 minutes is optimistic!

This is what you get when you appoint Russ Swift as head of party policy.

[vaud]

andy43 said:

This is what you get when you appoint Russ Swift as head of party policy.

Maybe, but the electorate like centre ground politicians - ever since John Major - through the Labour lense: "Lose, lose, lose, Blair, Blair, Blair, lose, lose, lose, lose"

[frisbee]

andy43 said:

This is what you get when you appoint Russ Swift as head of party policy.

At least he knows how to pay for fuel after he's filled up the Montego.

[crankedup5]

borcy said:

crankedup5 said:

SKS a announces his ambition to raise the defence budget to 2.5% and his unerring support for the nuclear deterrent. No surprise to read of the disdain from the corbynites (momentum) once again raising their voices getting very twitchy over their leaders ‘U’ turn’ since becoming the Labour leader. Thought they may have waited until Labour are in power, nope, not a bit of it, brother.

Who in the labour party is getting twitchy over potential defence spending?

As I mentioned in my post, the corbynites or read momentum are already creating some noise. Remember just how committed corbyn is, and he has followers.

[S600BSB]

frisbee said:

andy43 said:

This is what you get when you appoint Russ Swift as head of party policy.

At least he knows how to pay for fuel after he's filled up the Montego.

Indeed

[valiant]

crankedup5 said:

As I mentioned in my post, the corbynites or read momentum are already creating some noise. Remember just how committed corbyn is, and he has followers.

Corbyn isn’t even in the party anymore and as for Momentum? They had their chance and blew it. They’ve been put back in their box and are now relegated to shouting from the sidelines.

[Baroque attacks]

valiant said:

crankedup5 said:

As I mentioned in my post, the corbynites or read momentum are already creating some noise. Remember just how committed corbyn is, and he has followers.

Corbyn isn’t even in the party anymore and as for Momentum? They had their chance and blew it. They’ve been put back in their box and are now relegated to shouting from the sidelines.

It was a beautiful night, when the country told Corbs to FRO.

Although I was looking forward to my free broadband…

[borcy]

crankedup5 said:

borcy said:

crankedup5 said:

SKS a announces his ambition to raise the defence budget to 2.5% and his unerring support for the nuclear deterrent. No surprise to read of the disdain from the corbynites (momentum) once again raising their voices getting very twitchy over their leaders ‘U’ turn’ since becoming the Labour leader. Thought they may have waited until Labour are in power, nope, not a bit of it, brother.

Who in the labour party is getting twitchy over potential defence spending?

As I mentioned in my post, the corbynites or read momentum are already creating some noise. Remember just how committed corbyn is, and he has followers.

Any in particular, I've not seen anything on the news.

[crankedup5]

valiant said:

crankedup5 said:

As I mentioned in my post, the corbynites or read momentum are already creating some noise. Remember just how committed corbyn is, and he has followers.

Corbyn isn’t even in the party anymore and as for Momentum? They had their chance and blew it. They’ve been put back in their box and are now relegated to shouting from the sidelines.

Oh that’s OK then

[crankedup5]

borcy said:

crankedup5 said:

borcy said:

crankedup5 said:

SKS a announces his ambition to raise the defence budget to 2.5% and his unerring support for the nuclear deterrent. No surprise to read of the disdain from the corbynites (momentum) once again raising their voices getting very twitchy over their leaders ‘U’ turn’ since becoming the Labour leader. Thought they may have waited until Labour are in power, nope, not a bit of it, brother.

Who in the labour party is getting twitchy over potential defence spending?

As I mentioned in my post, the corbynites or read momentum are already creating some noise. Remember just how committed corbyn is, and he has followers.

Any in particular, I've not seen anything on the news.

Individuals not named, has SKS a really tamed the hard leftie lot. Thought they were stronger.