Angela Rayner to face investigation?
Discussion
andymadmak said:
Nomme de Plum said:
I think anyone who can even think of using such words to describe someone needs re-education. I said exactly the same of Rayner re her unacceptable use of language. She did however apologise unlike posters here.
She did apologise, but it was a year after the first time she did it, and only after SKS piled on the pressure after the second time she did it. Fair play to her for the (eventual) apology itself, which was pretty unequivocal.
I don't think misogyny is a factor here, although I understand why some posters might be desperate to make such an allegation since it is an obvious attempt at distraction from AR's hypocrisy on the police investigation question.
Those same posters who were howling for Boris' head when he was being investigated by the police... The same AR that said that being investigated by the police (not charged, just investigated) should cost someone their job...
Nope, no inconsistencies there:
Anyway, as I said earlier in the thread, she's innocent until she's proven guilty. I applied that to Boris too, btw and I well remember the binary response from some of the people on this thread
It is unfortunate that there is some evidence that verbal abuse can if not called out and explain why it is unacceptable can in some cases grow into physical abuse, particularly in a stress situation. It can happen in all sorts of situations including the likes of road rage.
Evanivitch said:
768 said:
Evanivitch said:
Name one male-specific insult used in the Sunak, Starmer or Boris threads.
Billionaire.Perhaps we could stick to the thread topic, rather than this petty deflection?
Yep, that's the way forward.
Evanivitch said:
Superflow said:
Scrubbers!
What would dear old uncle Monty say?
For balance men can be scrubbers too it’s not solely aimed at women.
How often do you see men being called prostitutes?What would dear old uncle Monty say?
For balance men can be scrubbers too it’s not solely aimed at women.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ta6Nojgn8Mw
Key points:
The MP who asked the police to investigate this couldn't answer the question of what crime he thinks she might have committed
There is a 1-2 year statute of limitations on electoral fraud (in this sort of case)
HMRC can't investigate careless tax errors more than 6 years old (not stated but upto 20 if it is deemed deliberate)
She's been careful to say that she will resign if she is convicted because most of what she is accused of has no chance of prosecution
Starmer is annoyed by her refusal to answer the questions directly
This is something Labour need to get used to if they are going to form a government and the other front benchers are going to be shocked when the same scrutiny comes to them
Key points:
The MP who asked the police to investigate this couldn't answer the question of what crime he thinks she might have committed
There is a 1-2 year statute of limitations on electoral fraud (in this sort of case)
HMRC can't investigate careless tax errors more than 6 years old (not stated but upto 20 if it is deemed deliberate)
She's been careful to say that she will resign if she is convicted because most of what she is accused of has no chance of prosecution
Starmer is annoyed by her refusal to answer the questions directly
This is something Labour need to get used to if they are going to form a government and the other front benchers are going to be shocked when the same scrutiny comes to them
AstonZagato said:
Evanivitch said:
andymadmak said:
That logic is deeply flawed. Insults can be gender specific, but that does not mean that the use of them implies misogyny or misandry, it's just an insult.
Name one male-specific insult used in the Sunak, Starmer or Boris threads.Bell3nd?
The state of this post. Vile. Filth. etc.
AstonZagato said:
Evanivitch said:
andymadmak said:
That logic is deeply flawed. Insults can be gender specific, but that does not mean that the use of them implies misogyny or misandry, it's just an insult.
Name one male-specific insult used in the Sunak, Starmer or Boris threads.Bell3nd?
Superflow said:
Scrubbers!
What would dear old uncle Monty say?
For balance men can be scrubbers too it’s not solely aimed at women.
For accuracyWhat would dear old uncle Monty say?
For balance men can be scrubbers too it’s not solely aimed at women.
scrub·ber
[ˈskrʌbə]
noun
BRITISH
offensive
a vulgar or slovenly woman, or one who has many casual sexual relationships.
Note it specifies woman, not man.
blueg33 said:
For accuracy
scrub·ber
[?skr?b?]
noun
BRITISH
offensive
a vulgar or slovenly woman, or one who has many casual sexual relationships.
Note it specifies woman, not man.
Oxford Dictionaryscrub·ber
[?skr?b?]
noun
BRITISH
offensive
a vulgar or slovenly woman, or one who has many casual sexual relationships.
Note it specifies woman, not man.
scrubber noun
/ˈskrʌbə(r)/
/ˈskrʌbər/
(British English, informal) an offensive word for a woman who works as a prostitute or has sex with a lot of men
Evanivitch said:
blueg33 said:
For accuracy
scrub·ber
[?skr?b?]
noun
BRITISH
offensive
a vulgar or slovenly woman, or one who has many casual sexual relationships.
Note it specifies woman, not man.
Oxford Dictionaryscrub·ber
[?skr?b?]
noun
BRITISH
offensive
a vulgar or slovenly woman, or one who has many casual sexual relationships.
Note it specifies woman, not man.
scrubber noun
/?skr?b?(r)/
/?skr?b?r/
?(British English, informal) an offensive word for a woman who works as a prostitute or has sex with a lot of men
Legacywr said:
Somebody used the term prostitute?
Not sure anyone did but this thread seems to have moved in a weird direction over the last few days!To try to bring it back on topic, the issue seems to be Rayner and/or her brother possibly failed to tell the truth about their living arrangements so to me the questions are 1) is that accusation true and 2) if it is why were one or both of them dishonest? If the accusations are true - and the reason was to avoid a financial liability of some description - I don't think that will be a good look for Angela....
Nomme de Plum said:
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hstewie said:
hstewie said:Rufus Stone said:
Are you suggesting someone cannot dislike one woman without disliking all women?
No I'm suggesting that when you (not you personally) can't insult a woman without using words like "scrubber" and "mare" it does suggest some issues with women.Think wife, partner, GF, mother, daughter. not the sort of words we would like used to describe them is it?
Biggy Stardust said:
AR is clearly a high-class lady of impeccable taste & discernment, not a low-class type who would leave school with nothing but an illegitimate baby & a need for council assistance. I salute her undeniable quality.
Whilst I recognise the sarcasm in your post, I have to ask... Illegitimate? What is this, Ireland in the 1860s? bhstewie said:
hstewie said: No I'm suggesting that when you (not you personally) can't insult a woman without using words like "scrubber" and "mare" it does suggest some issues with women.
Gobby little scrubber was harsh, very harsh and not gentlemanly in fact very common perhaps he's from from same background as Angela but without the rise up the ladder hence his anger. As for Rayner's mouth I'm in no doubt that she can be very verbally forceful should the mood take her, but the scrubber bit is not on, it's base and rude.
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