Children not school ready
Discussion
Leptons said:
vikingaero said:
Hey my favourite topic as Mrs V. is a Primary School Teacher. 
Yep many kids not toilet trained, can't dress/undress themselves for PE, can't use cutlery etc etc.
Common themes?
Names such as Jaxon, Klaxon, Tyler, Kai, Waxon, Waxoff and double-barrelled Christian names
These kids will have the whole gamut of Ralph Lauren and other designer clothing at the age of 4
# premium cars picking them up that park on DYLs and Zig Zags
Always late picking them up, because the queue at Costa or McDonalds was out of the car park
These parents complain when they have to do homework with their kids or [shock/horror] have to read to them!
"WTF" I hav 2 reed 2 dem, Whassat dey doin' at skool den?"
Both parents working isn't an issue. The best parents are those that both work, bust a gut to get them to school on time and pick them up and are utterly horrified when they are late due to circumstances outside of their control (motorway closed down etc), engage in every word said about their child and take on board what they need to do to help their child, which means helping them with their homework and reading to/with them.
How many Kids have you got out of interest?Yep many kids not toilet trained, can't dress/undress themselves for PE, can't use cutlery etc etc.
Common themes?
Names such as Jaxon, Klaxon, Tyler, Kai, Waxon, Waxoff and double-barrelled Christian names
These kids will have the whole gamut of Ralph Lauren and other designer clothing at the age of 4
# premium cars picking them up that park on DYLs and Zig Zags
Always late picking them up, because the queue at Costa or McDonalds was out of the car park
These parents complain when they have to do homework with their kids or [shock/horror] have to read to them!
"WTF" I hav 2 reed 2 dem, Whassat dey doin' at skool den?"Both parents working isn't an issue. The best parents are those that both work, bust a gut to get them to school on time and pick them up and are utterly horrified when they are late due to circumstances outside of their control (motorway closed down etc), engage in every word said about their child and take on board what they need to do to help their child, which means helping them with their homework and reading to/with them.
Edited by vikingaero on Wednesday 28th February 11:35
Edited by vikingaero on Wednesday 28th February 11:35
sugerbear said:
mwstewart said:
What a shocking story. As a parent of a 1 year old girl I do worry about some of the others she'll end up mixing with at school.
Dont send her to a private school then 
Edited by Gecko1978 on Wednesday 28th February 12:13
Leptons said:
vikingaero said:
Hey my favourite topic as Mrs V. is a Primary School Teacher.
Yep many kids not toilet trained, can't dress/undress themselves for PE, can't use cutlery etc etc.
Common themes?
Names such as Jaxon, Klaxon, Tyler, Kai, Waxon, Waxoff and double-barrelled Christian names
These kids will have the whole gamut of Ralph Lauren and other designer clothing at the age of 4
# premium cars picking them up that park on DYLs and Zig Zags
Always late picking them up, because the queue at Costa or McDonalds was out of the car park
These parents complain when they have to do homework with their kids or [shock/horror] have to read to them! "WTF" I hav 2 reed 2 dem, Whassat dey doin' at skool den?"
Both parents working isn't an issue. The best parents are those that both work, bust a gut to get them to school on time and pick them up and are utterly horrified when they are late due to circumstances outside of their control (motorway closed down etc), engage in every word said about their child and take on board what they need to do to help their child, which means helping them with their homework and reading to/with them.
How many Kids have you got out of interest?Yep many kids not toilet trained, can't dress/undress themselves for PE, can't use cutlery etc etc.
Common themes?
Names such as Jaxon, Klaxon, Tyler, Kai, Waxon, Waxoff and double-barrelled Christian names
These kids will have the whole gamut of Ralph Lauren and other designer clothing at the age of 4
# premium cars picking them up that park on DYLs and Zig Zags
Always late picking them up, because the queue at Costa or McDonalds was out of the car park
These parents complain when they have to do homework with their kids or [shock/horror] have to read to them!
"WTF" I hav 2 reed 2 dem, Whassat dey doin' at skool den?"Both parents working isn't an issue. The best parents are those that both work, bust a gut to get them to school on time and pick them up and are utterly horrified when they are late due to circumstances outside of their control (motorway closed down etc), engage in every word said about their child and take on board what they need to do to help their child, which means helping them with their homework and reading to/with them.
Edited by vikingaero on Wednesday 28th February 11:35
Edited by vikingaero on Wednesday 28th February 11:35
Mrs V. has 34 or 35 kids under her control and there are 3 form entry.
vikingaero said:
Hey my favourite topic as Mrs V. is a Primary School Teacher.
Yep many kids not toilet trained, can't dress/undress themselves for PE, can't use cutlery etc etc.
Common themes?
Names such as Jaxon, Klaxon, Tyler, Kai, Waxon, Waxoff and double-barrelled Christian names
These kids will have the whole gamut of Ralph Lauren and other designer clothing at the age of 4
# premium cars picking them up that park on DYLs and Zig Zags
Always late picking them up, because the queue at Costa or McDonalds was out of the car park
These parents complain when they have to do homework with their kids or [shock/horror] have to read to them! "WTF" I hav 2 reed 2 dem, Whassat dey doin' at skool den?"
Both parents working isn't an issue. The best parents are those that both work, bust a gut to get them to school on time and pick them up and are utterly horrified when they are late due to circumstances outside of their control (motorway closed down etc), engage in every word said about their child and take on board what they need to do to help their child, which means helping them with their homework and reading to/with them.
Mrs PT runs the office of a 'Good' (according to Ofsted) Primary School and I can concur all of the above it pretty much spot on. Yep many kids not toilet trained, can't dress/undress themselves for PE, can't use cutlery etc etc.
Common themes?
Names such as Jaxon, Klaxon, Tyler, Kai, Waxon, Waxoff and double-barrelled Christian names
These kids will have the whole gamut of Ralph Lauren and other designer clothing at the age of 4
# premium cars picking them up that park on DYLs and Zig Zags
Always late picking them up, because the queue at Costa or McDonalds was out of the car park
These parents complain when they have to do homework with their kids or [shock/horror] have to read to them!
"WTF" I hav 2 reed 2 dem, Whassat dey doin' at skool den?"Both parents working isn't an issue. The best parents are those that both work, bust a gut to get them to school on time and pick them up and are utterly horrified when they are late due to circumstances outside of their control (motorway closed down etc), engage in every word said about their child and take on board what they need to do to help their child, which means helping them with their homework and reading to/with them.
Our 9yo had two years of interrupted schooling over the pandemic but his teacher is telling us that the overwhelming majority of kids in his year group are where they should be developmentally/educationally. They've caught up, as a cohort.
He can wipe his own arse and was able to when he started school.
The Finnish education model is often quoted as ideal. Yes, I know this is basically a sales job and they only have 10% of the UK population but it makes interesting reading. What jumps out at me most is that it is the top 10% of Finnish grads go into teaching, presumably with salaries that reward them. By contrast I know three NQTs in my area, one has already left and two are actively looking to get out.
https://careerteachers.co.uk/what-the-uk-education...
W124 said:
There seems to be rather a collective amnesia about the pandemic, the lockdowns, and the absolutely disastrous effect these had on the young.
And our utterly shameful failure to take this seriously.
Why is everything so f
ked up? Including but especially this? It’s because of the terrifying madness that just occurred.
I well recall trying to explain to my 14 year old daughter. It scared the bejesus out of them. And everybody else.
These kids were very young when it happened.
Sorry to disappoint you but this started long before Covid.And our utterly shameful failure to take this seriously.
Why is everything so f
ked up? Including but especially this? It’s because of the terrifying madness that just occurred. I well recall trying to explain to my 14 year old daughter. It scared the bejesus out of them. And everybody else.
These kids were very young when it happened.
Edited by W124 on Wednesday 28th February 11:45
W124 said:
There seems to be rather a collective amnesia about the pandemic, the lockdowns, and the absolutely disastrous effect these had on the young…
I don’t see the relevance based on my teenage nieces and nephews, or my eldest who is 6 years old. Also no one we know with kids of any age has ever referenced covid having had an affect on their children. PurpleTurtle said:
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The Finnish education model is often quoted as ideal. Yes, I know this is basically a sales job and they only have 10% of the UK population but it makes interesting reading. What jumps out at me most is that it is the top 10% of Finnish grads go into teaching, presumably with salaries that reward them. By contrast I know three NQTs in my area, one has already left and two are actively looking to get out.
https://careerteachers.co.uk/what-the-uk-education...
People bang on about how great Finnland is, but as someone once put it:The Finnish education model is often quoted as ideal. Yes, I know this is basically a sales job and they only have 10% of the UK population but it makes interesting reading. What jumps out at me most is that it is the top 10% of Finnish grads go into teaching, presumably with salaries that reward them. By contrast I know three NQTs in my area, one has already left and two are actively looking to get out.
https://careerteachers.co.uk/what-the-uk-education...
"In Finland, if you cannot build a career from forestry, ice hockey, or moose breeding, you must take refuge in Heavy Metal."
It's a small country rich in natural resources and advantages and its people have not exactly set the world alight with cultural output.
119 said:
Sorry to disappoint you but this started long before Covid.
It did affect many children badly though as social isolation isn't good for children. You cannot just turn it off and on like a switch when it is in such critical years, and for what?, we were one of the few places to keep schools closed for so long. JagLover said:
119 said:
Sorry to disappoint you but this started long before Covid.
It did affect many children badly though as social isolation isn't good for children. You cannot just turn it off and on like a switch when it is in such critical years, and for what?, we were one of the few places to keep schools closed for so long. 119 said:
W124 said:
There seems to be rather a collective amnesia about the pandemic, the lockdowns, and the absolutely disastrous effect these had on the young.
And our utterly shameful failure to take this seriously.
Why is everything so fked up? Including but especially this? It’s because of the terrifying madness that just occurred.
I well recall trying to explain to my 14 year old daughter. It scared the bejesus out of them. And everybody else.
These kids were very young when it happened.
Sorry to disappoint you but this started long before Covid.And our utterly shameful failure to take this seriously.
Why is everything so f
ked up? Including but especially this? It’s because of the terrifying madness that just occurred. I well recall trying to explain to my 14 year old daughter. It scared the bejesus out of them. And everybody else.
These kids were very young when it happened.
Edited by W124 on Wednesday 28th February 11:45
JagLover said:
119 said:
Sorry to disappoint you but this started long before Covid.
It did affect many children badly though as social isolation isn't good for children. You cannot just turn it off and on like a switch when it is in such critical years, and for what?, we were one of the few places to keep schools closed for so long. CharlesdeGaulle said:
Leptons said:
vikingaero said:
Hey my favourite topic as Mrs V. is a Primary School Teacher.
Yep many kids not toilet trained, can't dress/undress themselves for PE, can't use cutlery etc etc.
Common themes?
Names such as Jaxon, Klaxon, Tyler, Kai, Waxon, Waxoff and double-barrelled Christian names
These kids will have the whole gamut of Ralph Lauren and other designer clothing at the age of 4
# premium cars picking them up that park on DYLs and Zig Zags
Always late picking them up, because the queue at Costa or McDonalds was out of the car park
These parents complain when they have to do homework with their kids or [shock/horror] have to read to them! "WTF" I hav 2 reed 2 dem, Whassat dey doin' at skool den?"
Both parents working isn't an issue. The best parents are those that both work, bust a gut to get them to school on time and pick them up and are utterly horrified when they are late due to circumstances outside of their control (motorway closed down etc), engage in every word said about their child and take on board what they need to do to help their child, which means helping them with their homework and reading to/with them.
How many Kids have you got out of interest?Yep many kids not toilet trained, can't dress/undress themselves for PE, can't use cutlery etc etc.
Common themes?
Names such as Jaxon, Klaxon, Tyler, Kai, Waxon, Waxoff and double-barrelled Christian names
These kids will have the whole gamut of Ralph Lauren and other designer clothing at the age of 4
# premium cars picking them up that park on DYLs and Zig Zags
Always late picking them up, because the queue at Costa or McDonalds was out of the car park
These parents complain when they have to do homework with their kids or [shock/horror] have to read to them!
"WTF" I hav 2 reed 2 dem, Whassat dey doin' at skool den?"Both parents working isn't an issue. The best parents are those that both work, bust a gut to get them to school on time and pick them up and are utterly horrified when they are late due to circumstances outside of their control (motorway closed down etc), engage in every word said about their child and take on board what they need to do to help their child, which means helping them with their homework and reading to/with them.
Edited by vikingaero on Wednesday 28th February 11:35
Edited by vikingaero on Wednesday 28th February 11:35
I don't think there's any doubt that Covid and the government's handling of it had an impact. I do think the Covid conspiracists are over egging its influence and it's amusing reading their spelling mistakes whilst they pontificate about poor educational standards.
The world is not going to the dogs. There have always been children in school from families with questionable parenting abilities.
It's no bad thing that it's being questioned but I wouldn't blame covid policy. That's a simple answer to a complicated problem and wrong.
Agree that we start some children too young. But I'm very well aware that a look at the parents will give a reasonably accurate view of how the child will turn out. Some of us get better starts in life than others.
The world is not going to the dogs. There have always been children in school from families with questionable parenting abilities.
It's no bad thing that it's being questioned but I wouldn't blame covid policy. That's a simple answer to a complicated problem and wrong.
Agree that we start some children too young. But I'm very well aware that a look at the parents will give a reasonably accurate view of how the child will turn out. Some of us get better starts in life than others.
Not sure why some seem to get so upset when this topic is raised. There are multiple reasons for the problems mentioned here and just because you happen to fall into the category which many come from who suffer inept pre-schooling, isn't a bad reflection on you.
2 parent working is a must for most these days - there's no shame in it but the simple fact is that some can't cope with bringing kids up and the rigours of work. The kids of those parents suffer.
Equally, there's parents who have the time, they just don't recognise their responsibility or possibly care.
This isn't a new thing though, I remember in the 70s, before brain sapping phones and parents calling their kids Ronin that there were children not prepared for life at school age.
Many parents have had poor upbringing themselves so are ill prepared to bring kids up.
2 parent working is a must for most these days - there's no shame in it but the simple fact is that some can't cope with bringing kids up and the rigours of work. The kids of those parents suffer.
Equally, there's parents who have the time, they just don't recognise their responsibility or possibly care.
This isn't a new thing though, I remember in the 70s, before brain sapping phones and parents calling their kids Ronin that there were children not prepared for life at school age.
Many parents have had poor upbringing themselves so are ill prepared to bring kids up.
At various times my parents had three jobs each.
I'm not going to start singing Mama tried to raise me better. Although it has just went through my head. It was never that bad and I'm too nice to be a problem child. Even that time I got in trouble with the police at five years old. I was very sorry about it
. I'm not joking, I was sorry.
They did well. I'm well adjusted as are all my siblings and every child nephew etc is damn well looked after. Work ethic and family responsibilities are not abnormal.
People considering themselves superior, pfft.
If they did the things I did I'd fly off the fking handle. But I'm fairly sure they won't and all can wipe their arse without getting their hands dirty.
I'm not going to start singing Mama tried to raise me better. Although it has just went through my head. It was never that bad and I'm too nice to be a problem child. Even that time I got in trouble with the police at five years old. I was very sorry about it
. I'm not joking, I was sorry.They did well. I'm well adjusted as are all my siblings and every child nephew etc is damn well looked after. Work ethic and family responsibilities are not abnormal.
People considering themselves superior, pfft.
If they did the things I did I'd fly off the f
king handle. But I'm fairly sure they won't and all can wipe their arse without getting their hands dirty.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff