Train Stabbing - Suspect Charged

[Earthdweller]

andymadmak said:

I think perhaps that Ms Butler is a bit confused about what the role of a Guard is. It's certainly not to risk their own lives and tackle knife wielding maniacs. Maybe it's the word Guard that confused her. Does she think they wear armour and ride up and down the train on a small horse?
Either way, Mr Lynch might have a few things to say about that!
Hopefully Dawn won't get too senior a job in the new Government

Policing minister would be right up her street I feel

[gazza285]

Rivenink said:

You really did drink in all the propaganda in didn't you.

It's not the Governments fault over the last 14 years, austerity and cost cutting decimated the police service, social services and the criminal justice system. It's the immigrants fault.

It''s not the Government's fault that they've been funnelling £100's of billions of taxpayer money into the hands of the very wealthy over the last 14 years, causing inflation and increasing poverty, it's the immigrants.

You're right. The people need to step up.

We need principled, moral and competent people to enter politics. We need to vote these principled, moral and competent people into Parliament.

We need a competent Government that is dedicated to working for all the people.

Instead of this st show that encourages divisions in the people, where ever it finds them, so it can carry on decimating public services while enriching the very wealthy even more.

Er.

[bitchstewie]

Butler's tweet is idiotic but she isn't in charge of st.

How have we ended up with a system where someone can have damned near a machete in their pocket, attempt to use it, and serve three months in prison?

[LimaDelta]

Rivenink said:

LimaDelta said:

Too many apologists and useful idiots, happy to blame society as a whole (even the victims), rather than the perpetrators (something something racism). No room in prisons, Police afraid of going after these 'types' (more racism) lest they be hung out to dry by their brainwashed, virtue-signalling superiors, and lefty lawyers committed to preventing the government actually doing what most people want which is to send these people from whence they came. Not sure if this guy is a recent arrival, or home grown. Don't really care anymore. The problem is only going to get worse, until the people themselves step up. The absolutely blatant and unashamed daylight attack with so many witnesses shows just how little they fear the Police or the justice system.

You really did drink in all the propaganda in didn't you.

It's not the Governments fault over the last 14 years, austerity and cost cutting decimated the police service, social services and the criminal justice system. It's the immigrants fault.

It''s not the Government's fault that they've been funnelling £100's of billions of taxpayer money into the hands of the very wealthy over the last 14 years, causing inflation and increasing poverty, it's the immigrants.

You're right. The people need to step up.

We need principled, moral and competent people to enter politics. We need to vote these principled, moral and competent people into Parliament.

We need a competent Government that is dedicated to working for all the people.

Instead of this st show that encourages divisions in the people, where ever it finds them, so it can carry on decimating public services while enriching the very wealthy even more.

Yes, I'm sure this will all be fixed once the Tories are booted out. Nothing to see, move along.

[Earthdweller]

It’s all the Tories fault, once Labour are in power the streets will be perfectly safe just like they were when Labour were last in charge

[W12GT]

bhstewie said:

The Police can only catch people and they did.

That's a 12 inch ruler.

Justice for this animal should be that knife shoved hilt deep up his backside then left to fester and rot in some 16th century jail.

Prison needs changing. Make them like the hell holes they used to be hundreds of years ago, shared with rats on a stone floor covered in their own excrement. For food they get given all the leftovers from the catering industry serviced up in a damn trough. Bet we’d see the reoffending rate drop.

[Greendubber]

Earthdweller said:

andymadmak said:

I think perhaps that Ms Butler is a bit confused about what the role of a Guard is. It's certainly not to risk their own lives and tackle knife wielding maniacs. Maybe it's the word Guard that confused her. Does she think they wear armour and ride up and down the train on a small horse?
Either way, Mr Lynch might have a few things to say about that!
Hopefully Dawn won't get too senior a job in the new Government

Policing minister would be right up her street I feel

She absolutely adores the police does Dawn

[Timothy Bucktu]

robscot said:

No capacity in police. No capacity in justice system.

People get what they vote for.

I'll call you out for using this phrase (which I read a lot here and elsewhere) and ask what it is you think people voted for, and to please advise a suitable alternative entity to vote for?

[robscot]

Timothy Bucktu said:

I'll call you out for using this phrase (which I read a lot here and elsewhere) and ask what it is you think people voted for, and to please advise a suitable alternative entity to vote for?

There was cuts in policing and justice, and government that did that was returned again.

[Greendubber]

robscot said:

Timothy Bucktu said:

I'll call you out for using this phrase (which I read a lot here and elsewhere) and ask what it is you think people voted for, and to please advise a suitable alternative entity to vote for?

There was cuts in policing and justice, and government that did that was returned again.

Yep

[Fast and Spurious]

s1962a said:

I don't buy the reasoning that people come from improvised backgrounds and that is the reason they go out to commit these crimes.

They're making it up as they go along.

[croyde]

Interesting that the use of AI has been brought up.

What if AI makes the decision that the police are unwilling to make...

[Seasonal Hero]

Tough on crime….

[CrgT16]

The problem is that stats show that prison time is not actually great to rehabilitate.

I am in favour of more prison time for certain things, there needs to be a deterrent/punitive effect.

At present I can have my house burgled, be a victim of assault, etc and nothing will happen. The sense of impunity is real. Anti social behaviour is increasing, teens becoming more brazen…

Our police capacity is not fit for purpose. Then add the sentencing that it’s in some cases a bit lenient…

At least in the US you are allowed to protect yourself. We gave up that years ago. I for one would like to be given the legal ability to protect myself and my family. More so in these times.

Sometimes I look at some lawless countries in South America and think that in the UK we are not that far from that criminality exploding. More gangs, county lines, etc.

I am sure the guy is a victim of poor upbringing, etc etc… I don’t buy it. You can be poor and be a perfectly civilised person.

[maz8062]

As is the case with this here forum, folk are focusing on policing or lack of it. The police can’t be everywhere - there’s so much criminality going on in the world in 2024. If we genuinely want to address these issues we have to accept limitations on our civil liberties, a hot potato in of itself.

No, for me the issue is how a boy, 18 years old, has that much violence in him. Violence to carry a huge knife and use it in broad day light. His life is over already and it’s barely started. Who’s responsible? He’s responsible. His parents are responsible. His schooling. Social workers. The police? In the end though, the boy is ultimately responsible for his own actions - if he’s crazy get him help. But blaming the police, a finite resource, is a waste of time and a cop out.

[Bathroom_Security]

LimaDelta said:

Of course it should be profile based, otherwise it is just a waste of resources. Why randomly search middle-class school run mums?

Because then the police end up being branded racists, mainly by the msm and the same ethnic group they have been targeting.

Absolutely screwed this country.

[spikyone]

CrgT16 said:

The problem is that stats show that prison time is not actually great to rehabilitate.

I am in favour of more prison time for certain things, there needs to be a deterrent/punitive effect.

At present I can have my house burgled, be a victim of assault, etc and nothing will happen. The sense of impunity is real. Anti social behaviour is increasing, teens becoming more brazen…

Our police capacity is not fit for purpose. Then add the sentencing that it’s in some cases a bit lenient…

At least in the US you are allowed to protect yourself. We gave up that years ago. I for one would like to be given the legal ability to protect myself and my family. More so in these times.

Sometimes I look at some lawless countries in South America and think that in the UK we are not that far from that criminality exploding. More gangs, county lines, etc.

I am sure the guy is a victim of poor upbringing, etc etc… I don’t buy it. You can be poor and be a perfectly civilised person.

For people like this, the chance of rehabilitation is vanishingly slim. In some cases people should be locked up for an incredibly long time simply for the protection of the rest of society.

As for the suggestion that train guards would've solved this, the only outcomes that would've achieved is another person witnessing the crime, or a dead/badly injured guard if he'd tried to intervene.
I bet her union friends love the suggestion that they put themselves in harm's way too... Utterly idiotic and just shows the dire level of our politicians.

[Digga]

Oliver Hardy said:

Remember a few years ago going to a football match and as I stood in the queue stuck my hand in my pocket of my coat and found a knife, I had been doing DIY a few days before on the car, must have put the knife into my pocket instead of the toolbox.

Which reminds me that I still have some scissors in the car from when I took some flowers to the cemetery

Yes, I have absentmindedly left my Mountain Technology ice axe between the bed and bedside table.

[fly by wire]

Digga said:

Yes, I have absentmindedly left my Mountain Technology ice axe between the bed and bedside table.

Oh bugger.

That reminds me, I must move my S & J razor sharp hand axe from under my bedside cabinet lest I wake up during the night in a dreamy state and start chopping up the furniture.

[andyA700]

maz8062 said:

As is the case with this here forum, folk are focusing on policing or lack of it. The police can’t be everywhere - there’s so much criminality going on in the world in 2024. If we genuinely want to address these issues we have to accept limitations on our civil liberties, a hot potato in of itself.

No, for me the issue is how a boy, 18 years old, has that much violence in him. Violence to carry a huge knife and use it in broad day light. His life is over already and it’s barely started. Who’s responsible? He’s responsible. His parents are responsible. His schooling. Social workers. The police? In the end though, the boy is ultimately responsible for his own actions - if he’s crazy get him help. But blaming the police, a finite resource, is a waste of time and a cop out.

The criminal justice system, judges etc. have a lot to answer for, but I totally agree with you saying that it is ultimately down to the individual. I certainly will not listen to anyone making excuses for him because of his ethnicity, upbringing or any other contrived reason which excuses his nasty, vicious behaviour.