Multiple stabbing in Sydney

[Baroque attacks]

croyde said:

ScotHill said:

You didn't jump, you were already there waiting, that's what prejudice is.

Now you are jumping to conclusions.

I was drunk and being an idiot. Hope I'm not too prejudiced as I work with Arabs, have friends who are Muslim. They are as angry and upset about the murders in Sydney as I am.

Again silly of me to post that.

It would be interesting to hear how you reached the conclusion you did, with the information available at the time.

[President Merkin]

Flumpo said:

Do you think the guy who did this was an Arab or Muslim?

You only have to read back a page or so to have that answered. My tuppence is the guy's apologised publicly which is a sight more than you usually see around here, so let's chalk it off, move on & hope Muntu & a few others who have gone quiet are equally penitent.

Edited by President Merkin on Sunday 14th April 09:15

Edited by President Merkin on Sunday 14th April 09:15

[Countdown]

President Merkin said:

Flumpo said:

Do you think the guy who did this was an Arab or Muslim?

You only have to read back a page or so to have that answered. My tuppence is the guy's apologised publicly which is a sight more than you usually see around here, so let's chalk it off, move on & hope Muntu & a few others who have gone quiet are equally penitent.

Edited by President Merkin on Sunday 14th April 09:15

Edited by President Merkin on Sunday 14th April 09:15

[andy43]

Baroque attacks said:

croyde said:

ScotHill said:

You didn't jump, you were already there waiting, that's what prejudice is.

Now you are jumping to conclusions.

I was drunk and being an idiot. Hope I'm not too prejudiced as I work with Arabs, have friends who are Muslim. They are as angry and upset about the murders in Sydney as I am.

Again silly of me to post that.

It would be interesting to hear how you reached the conclusion you did, with the information available at the time.

I jumped. Law of averages. Knife, lone nutter, Jewish area. Am I prejudiced? I suppose I must be.

[AW111]

MesoForm said:

Quick 8 minute video on the disinformation that we’re going to see about these stabbings:

He is focussing on deliberate disinformation spread by China to weaken social cohesion.

China don't need to do anything in this case, because there are plenty of ignorant bigots who just love to find any excuse to denigrate Muslims and fan the flames of their little culture war.

[bitchstewie]

andy43 said:

I jumped. Law of averages. Knife, lone nutter, Jewish area. Am I prejudiced? I suppose I must be.

Depends.

I think if you hear someone has gone on a rampage in a shopping centre killing random people with a knife it's a reasonable leap in the current political climate to think it's most likely terror related.

If it's terror related what's the biggest terror threat right now? Islamic extremism inspired terrorism.

Where it starts getting dodgy is the language some people use about this stuff.

I suspect the first images of the attacker didn't help as he seems to have dark hair and a beard and a suntan and I'm not joking about "looking a bit brown" being as far as some peoples thought process probably went.

[glazbagun]

Hugo Stiglitz said:

Some brave people in there and of course the senior female cop who stopped him. The baby is in surgery, fingers crossed.

Pretty gutting hearing about her mother not making it after getting her baby to a bystander, she seemed like someone with a lot going for her.

[andy43]

bhstewie said:

andy43 said:

I jumped. Law of averages. Knife, lone nutter, Jewish area. Am I prejudiced? I suppose I must be.

Depends.

I think if you hear someone has gone on a rampage in a shopping centre killing random people with a knife it's a reasonable leap in the current political climate to think it's most likely terror related.

If it's terror related what's the biggest terror threat right now? Islamic extremism inspired terrorism.

Where it starts getting dodgy is the language some people use about this stuff.

I suspect the first images of the attacker didn't help as he seems to have dark hair and a beard and a suntan and I'm not joking about "looking a bit brown" being as far as some peoples thought process probably went.

It’s an automatic assumption that it’s Islamist extremism. I’ve seen enough blurry photos of knives and nutters to assume. Same as a US school shooting, same as a knackered French people carrier exhibiting poor driving skills.. there’s loads of examples. Known to police, lessons learned, lone knife wielding nutcase - it’s just maths. Stringing him up before we know the details is another thing but that automatic initial assumption is most definitely there.

[AW111]

bhstewie said:

andy43 said:

I jumped. Law of averages. Knife, lone nutter, Jewish area. Am I prejudiced? I suppose I must be.

Depends.

I think if you hear someone has gone on a rampage in a shopping centre killing random people with a knife it's a reasonable leap in the current political climate to think it's most likely terror related.

If it's terror related what's the biggest terror threat right now? Islamic extremism inspired terrorism.

Where it starts getting dodgy is the language some people use about this stuff.

I suspect the first images of the attacker didn't help as he seems to have dark hair and a beard and a suntan and I'm not joking about "looking a bit brown" being as far as some peoples thought process probably went.

I do think it's a jump, because here in Aus when it's a knife-wielding person attacking random people, statistics say it most likely a mental health issue, often a psychotic episode triggered or exacerbated by drug use.

Knife crimes in general are mostly a youth gang thing.

[tangerine_sedge]

bhstewie said:

andy43 said:

I jumped. Law of averages. Knife, lone nutter, Jewish area. Am I prejudiced? I suppose I must be.

Depends.

I think if you hear someone has gone on a rampage in a shopping centre killing random people with a knife it's a reasonable leap in the current political climate to think it's most likely terror related.

If it's terror related what's the biggest terror threat right now? Islamic extremism inspired terrorism.

Where it starts getting dodgy is the language some people use about this stuff.

I suspect the first images of the attacker didn't help as he seems to have dark hair and a beard and a suntan and I'm not joking about "looking a bit brown" being as far as some peoples thought process probably went.

This is where I disagree with you BS - people have been primed by social media disinformation, and very vocal rhetoric from a minority of bigots (and previous home secretaries) to jump to this conclusion whenever there's an attack like this. See the flurry of tweets from various accounts that can't possibly know anymore than what is in the public domain about the attack, yet they jump straight to conclusions and use inflammatory language to push the narrative they want.

It seems to be that most of these type of attacks are always related to mental health issues, but are always blamed on the same demographic until the truth is revealed. It's just more drip drip drip of hatred being aimed at the 'usual suspects'.

The saddening thing, is that the people being manipulated into thinking this way don't even realise that their opinions and responses are being manipulated.

[pork911]

bhstewie said:

I suspect the first images of the attacker didn't help as he seems to have dark hair and a beard and a suntan and I'm not joking about "looking a bit brown" being as far as some peoples thought process probably went.

See also Jean Charles de Menezes

[pork911]

tangerine_sedge said:

It seems to be that most of these type of attacks are always related to mental health issues, but are always blamed on the same demographic until the truth is revealed. It's just more drip drip drip of hatred being aimed at the 'usual suspects'.

While I understand the distinction you are making I don't think even the most vehement and intent terrorist who carries out such attacks is ever entirely a stranger to mental health issues.

[pork911]

President Merkin said:

Flumpo said:

Do you think the guy who did this was an Arab or Muslim?

You only have to read back a page or so to have that answered. My tuppence is the guy's apologised publicly which is a sight more than you usually see around here, so let's chalk it off, move on & hope Muntu & a few others who have gone quiet are equally penitent.

Edited by President Merkin on Sunday 14th April 09:15

Edited by President Merkin on Sunday 14th April 09:15

Apology?

[redrabbit]

croyde said:

ScotHill said:

You didn't jump, you were already there waiting, that's what prejudice is.

Now you are jumping to conclusions.

I was drunk and being an idiot. Hope I'm not too prejudiced as I work with Arabs, have friends who are Muslim. They are as angry and upset about the murders in Sydney as I am.

Again silly of me to post that.

Ah, the old "some of my best friends are XXX" defence. Textbook.

Charitably, perhaps the best advice is: don't post when pissed.

[bitchstewie]

tangerine_sedge said:

This is where I disagree with you BS - people have been primed by social media disinformation, and very vocal rhetoric from a minority of bigots (and previous home secretaries) to jump to this conclusion whenever there's an attack like this. See the flurry of tweets from various accounts that can't possibly know anymore than what is in the public domain about the attack, yet they jump straight to conclusions and use inflammatory language to push the narrative they want.

It seems to be that most of these type of attacks are always related to mental health issues, but are always blamed on the same demographic until the truth is revealed. It's just more drip drip drip of hatred being aimed at the 'usual suspects'.

The saddening thing, is that the people being manipulated into thinking this way don't even realise that their opinions and responses are being manipulated.

I think this is where I have some sympathy for the "jump straight to conclusions" part as if I'm honest my first thought was that this was going to be terrorism of some sort.

Fully agree on some of the language and we've seen some of it on here and much more and worse on places like X where you had Tommy Robinson straight in with the "Muslamic Jihad" videos trying to appeal to his base.

Having just popped on Twitter I can't say Rachel Riley and a few others are looking too clever right now either.

[chrispmartha]

bhstewie said:

tangerine_sedge said:

This is where I disagree with you BS - people have been primed by social media disinformation, and very vocal rhetoric from a minority of bigots (and previous home secretaries) to jump to this conclusion whenever there's an attack like this. See the flurry of tweets from various accounts that can't possibly know anymore than what is in the public domain about the attack, yet they jump straight to conclusions and use inflammatory language to push the narrative they want.

It seems to be that most of these type of attacks are always related to mental health issues, but are always blamed on the same demographic until the truth is revealed. It's just more drip drip drip of hatred being aimed at the 'usual suspects'.

The saddening thing, is that the people being manipulated into thinking this way don't even realise that their opinions and responses are being manipulated.

I think this is where I have some sympathy for the "jump straight to conclusions" part as if I'm honest my first thought was that this was going to be terrorism of some sort.

Fully agree on some of the language and we've seen some of it on here and much more and worse on places like X where you had Tommy Robinson straight in with the "Muslamic Jihad" videos trying to appeal to his base.

Having just popped on Twitter I can't say Rachel Riley and a few others are looking too clever right now either.

Rachel Riley and Julia Hartley Brewer both doubling down i see aswell.

[Resolutionary]

[tangerine_sedge]

bhstewie said:

tangerine_sedge said:

This is where I disagree with you BS - people have been primed by social media disinformation, and very vocal rhetoric from a minority of bigots (and previous home secretaries) to jump to this conclusion whenever there's an attack like this. See the flurry of tweets from various accounts that can't possibly know anymore than what is in the public domain about the attack, yet they jump straight to conclusions and use inflammatory language to push the narrative they want.

It seems to be that most of these type of attacks are always related to mental health issues, but are always blamed on the same demographic until the truth is revealed. It's just more drip drip drip of hatred being aimed at the 'usual suspects'.

The saddening thing, is that the people being manipulated into thinking this way don't even realise that their opinions and responses are being manipulated.

I think this is where I have some sympathy for the "jump straight to conclusions" part as if I'm honest my first thought was that this was going to be terrorism of some sort.

Fully agree on some of the language and we've seen some of it on here and much more and worse on places like X where you had Tommy Robinson straight in with the "Muslamic Jihad" videos trying to appeal to his base.

Having just popped on Twitter I can't say Rachel Riley and a few others are looking too clever right now either.

A timely reminder that twitter is ultimately just "PEoPle sPEaKing tHEiR BRaiNs" and isn't a reliable information source. It's useful for breaking news, but mainstream media which is usually slower is also usually factual. I don't think we'll ever stop the 'jumping to conclusions' from breaking news, but we do need to treat it as gossip until the facts come in.

There are a bunch of people waiting for events like this, so they can push their nonsense to a willing audience ready to lap up the disinformation and have their few minutes of hate with their breakfast coffee. Rachel Riley is an interesting example, she's Jewish and already primed ready for anti-semitic attacks, so it's no surprise that she had a knee-jerk response, but all that she has done is amplify the misinformation and made herself look foolish.

[President Merkin]

Riley is a microcosm of what you see in here & everywhere. Doubling down on something about which you are plainly wrong is mere ego, just a part of the human experience some are emotionally intelligent to overcome, others not. Hence in here, we saw one guy offer a worthy mea culpa & another fool tell us he's seen enough grainy cctv of blokes with knives to justify his prejudice.

JHB on the other hand is just an irredeemable tt.

[768]

tangerine_sedge said:

It seems to be that most of these type of attacks are always related to mental health issues, but are always blamed on the same demographic until the truth is revealed. It's just more drip drip drip of hatred being aimed at the 'usual suspects'.

The ideology of the majority of UK terrorism prisoners is Islamist extremist. It's massively over-represented, I don't think people jumping to that conclusion is misinformation so much as stereotyping.