Multiple stabbing in Sydney

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President Merkin

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20 months

Monday 15th April
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Lol, as if one of those is better than the other.

AW111

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134 months

Monday 15th April
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As I've said earlier, the immediate assumption that this was a terrorist act was the first false conclusion.

It's clear to mr that some of the earlier posters on this thread were fking gleeful to have yet another excuse to demonise Muslims.

chrispmartha

15,501 posts

130 months

Monday 15th April
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768 said:
tangerine_sedge said:
It seems to be that most of these type of attacks are always related to mental health issues, but are always blamed on the same demographic until the truth is revealed. It's just more drip drip drip of hatred being aimed at the 'usual suspects'.
The ideology of the majority of UK terrorism prisoners is Islamist extremist. It's massively over-represented, I don't think people jumping to that conclusion is misinformation so much as stereotyping.
This was in Australia remember.

tangerine_sedge

4,791 posts

219 months

Monday 15th April
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768 said:
tangerine_sedge said:
It seems to be that most of these type of attacks are always related to mental health issues, but are always blamed on the same demographic until the truth is revealed. It's just more drip drip drip of hatred being aimed at the 'usual suspects'.
The ideology of the majority of UK terrorism prisoners is Islamist extremist. It's massively over-represented, I don't think people jumping to that conclusion is misinformation so much as stereotyping.
The key part is that many jumped straight to 'terrorism' rather then individual with a mental health episode.

Eric Mc

122,048 posts

266 months

Monday 15th April
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I kept off this thread so far because I knew that the usual suppositions and guesses would emerge.

What hasn't been suggested is that the two leading hypotheses for motive i.e. politically or religiously inspired terrorism or a mental health episode, are very often combined in the one incident i.e. a person who does have mental health issues latches on to a "cause"which they then use as their motive to carry out a deadly act.

I'm definitely not saying this was the case in this sad incident, but it might be.

bitchstewie

51,312 posts

211 months

Monday 15th April
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Seems he targeted women.

AW111

9,674 posts

134 months

Monday 15th April
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Eric Mc said:
I kept off this thread so far because I knew that the usual suppositions and guesses would emerge.

What hasn't been suggested is that the two leading hypotheses for motive i.e. politically or religiously inspired terrorism or a mental health episode, are very often combined in the one incident i.e. a person who does have mental health issues latches on to a "cause"which they then use as their motive to carry out a deadly act.

I'm definitely not saying this was the case in this sad incident, but it might be.
I think you're stretching. There's nothing about the killer's life, social media postings, interactions with others, choice of victims, or anything at all that suggests an ideology of any kind.

Gecko1978

9,723 posts

158 months

Monday 15th April
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bhstewie said:
Seems he targeted women.
from what I read over weekend he has been il since his teens so likely a tradergy of falling through the gaps. Targetting women yes but mentally ill so it could have been short people, tall people, black people, children etc was just his particular brand of illness that made him do this rather than ideology

Eric Mc

122,048 posts

266 months

Monday 15th April
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He obviously had a grudge against some section of society. What motivated this is anybody's guess.

Eric Mc

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266 months

Monday 15th April
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AW111 said:
I think you're stretching. There's nothing about the killer's life, social media postings, interactions with others, choice of victims, or anything at all that suggests an ideology of any kind.
Notice I used the words "might be".


captain_cynic

12,045 posts

96 months

Monday 15th April
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bhstewie said:
Seems he targeted women.
And his sole male victim was a Pakistani immigrant who was employed by the shopping centre as a security guard.

captain_cynic

12,045 posts

96 months

Monday 15th April
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chrispmartha said:
This was in Australia remember.
Australia has an even worse problem with far right groups, particularly with racial violence, than the UK.

Whilst I doubt this guy has a political bend (had) I wouldn't be surprised if he were a card carrying member of the Andrew Tate/Return of Kings/MGTOW fan club.

President Merkin

3,023 posts

20 months

Monday 15th April
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Another stabbing attack ongoing in Sydney right now, the radio is saying. Not much in the way of details yet.

Rough101

1,742 posts

76 months

Monday 15th April
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Only Muslim in this story is the security guard who tragically lost his life tackling the murderer.

AW111

9,674 posts

134 months

Monday 15th April
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President Merkin said:
Another stabbing attack ongoing in Sydney right now, the radio is saying. Not much in the way of details yet.
Not on any of the local news websites that I can see.

However I haven't checked the Sky / Fox etc.

Note that one of out tabloid TV stations confidently named and blamed the wrong person for yesterday's attack.

Earthdweller

13,590 posts

127 months

Monday 15th April
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A Bishop was attacked whilst conducting a service at a church in Wakeley, Sydney, which was being live streamed on the church YouTube channel at the time

The bishop plus a number of parishioners injured .. there’s quite graphic footage on X

It’s now breaking on major news channels

https://news.sky.com/story/sydney-priest-among-fou...

Edited by Earthdweller on Monday 15th April 11:50

Randy Winkman

16,155 posts

190 months

Monday 15th April
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Rachel Riley must be losing a few fans (like me) today. Lesson one in psychology (I've done it) says that if you make a mistake, acknowledge it and say sorry. Because most people like that and will forgive you.

Dynion Araf Uchaf

4,460 posts

224 months

Monday 15th April
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Eric Mc said:
He obviously had a grudge against some section of society. What motivated this is anybody's guess.
According to the murderer's father, he had no social skills, could not get a girl friend and was increasingly isolated and alone. He had stopped taking his medicines. He was a loner, and unemployed /living rough.

I'd say he was severely autistic and unable to express himself.

It's a sorry tale for all concerned, but it backs up my belief that people think that amongst the neuro divergent, ADHD is the nice one, and autism is the nasty one. Who doesn't love someone who's all over the place, as opposed to someone who doesn't make eye contact with you. rolleyes

James6112

4,382 posts

29 months

Monday 15th April
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Randy Winkman said:
Rachel Riley must be losing a few fans (like me) today. Lesson one in psychology (I've done it) says that if you make a mistake, acknowledge it and say sorry. Because most people like that and will forgive you.
She’s a moron.
As are a lot in the public eye, on social media.

AW111

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134 months

Monday 15th April
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Dynion Araf Uchaf said:
According to the murderer's father, he had no social skills, could not get a girl friend and was increasingly isolated and alone. He had stopped taking his medicines. He was a loner, and unemployed /living rough.

I'd say he was severely autistic and unable to express himself.

It's a sorry tale for all concerned, but it backs up my belief that people think that amongst the neuro divergent, ADHD is the nice one, and autism is the nasty one. Who doesn't love someone who's all over the place, as opposed to someone who doesn't make eye contact with you. rolleyes
I have a bipolar relative.
Every year or so he stops the medications, takes lots of drugs, and ends up involuntarily comitted. This often involves (minor) violence.

The whole extended family is concerned that one day he will injure or kill someone- but you can't really lock him up indefinitely on a "maybe".