Michaela School - court case

[Oliver Hardy]

I read the reason why prayer was banned is because it caused segregation and pupils came under pressure to join in and were often bullied into doing so

You choose a school for 5 years and I guess it is OK to make minor changes but to make major changes I think parents could justifiably be aggrieved.

While I know many on here are against religion and actively celebrate its demise a lot of my family are religious (Catholic)and I know how important it is for them, so I understand why banning prayer is a major issue.

So get both sides now.

[Oliver Hardy]

g3org3y said:

MrJuice said:

Interesting that the school is veggie. Presumably as a sacrifice to make the veggies feel comfortable. Tolerance and all that.

It was to allow all pupils to participate in the 'family lunches' (where pupils sit in tables of 6, each doing a specific role) as for religious reasons some pupils couldn't eat pork or beef etc, so it was decided no meat to be served so no issues. It was discussed in the interview that was linked.

Breaking the rules as they can only be in groups of 4

[Slowboathome]

ATG said:

....... a fking asylum run by a mad woman.....

.....I predict that this school's practices will change and they will slowly get shot of the lunacy as the founding nutcases gradually get replaced......

Edited by ATG on Wednesday 17th April 18:32

Infuriatingly it's highly successful and massively oversubscribed.

It's almost as if the parents of that part of London like what the mad woman and founding nutcases have done with the fking asylum.

[ATG]

Slowboathome said:

ATG said:

....... a fking asylum run by a mad woman.....

.....I predict that this school's practices will change and they will slowly get shot of the lunacy as the founding nutcases gradually get replaced......

Edited by ATG on Wednesday 17th April 18:32

Infuriatingly it's highly successful and massively oversubscribed.

It's almost as if the parents of that part of London like what the mad woman and founding nutcases have done with the fking asylum.

It's the natural arc these things tend to follow. Charismatic lunatic enthuses a load of people. They really work hard and managed to achieve something (because of the enthusiasm and hard work, NOT because of the bat st craziness.) Eventually the scales fall from their eyes and they see the insanity for what it is and, if you're lucky they preserve the good stuff, and if you're unlucky the disillusionment destroys the whole edifice.

[fly by wire]

ATG said:

It's the natural arc these things tend to follow. Charismatic lunatic enthuses a load of people. They really work hard and managed to achieve something (because of the enthusiasm and hard work, NOT because of the bat st craziness.) Eventually the scales fall from their eyes and they see the insanity for what it is and, if you're lucky they preserve the good stuff, and if you're unlucky the disillusionment destroys the whole edifice.

fking hell, Oscar Wilde is among us.

[ChocolateFrog]

Why would you send your child to a secular school if you were that insistent they prayed during the day.

Attention seeking wkers.

[ChocolateFrog]

I absolutely hated reciting the Lords prayer everyday and that was in a non-religious school.

Literally no place in state school for that sort of indoctrination.

[MC Bodge]

Suella Braverman is a governor?!

Singing the UK national anthem?!

Good grief. It's not even a good (albeit nonsensical) song like "Jerusalem".

Have the authorities been informed?

I'm one of PH's hardline pinko commies (ie. Centre-left in normal life) and I would much prefer schools to be secular, with less emphasis on RE and religious observance.

Ps. It might be cultural, but if somebody doesn't get the chance to pray it's not as if any heavenly being will actually notice, is it?

[MrJuice]

MC Bodge said:

Suella Braverman is a governor?!

Singing the UK national anthem?!

Good grief. It's not even a good (albeit nonsensical) song like "Jerusalem".

Have the authorities been informed?

I'm one of PH's hardline pinko commies (ie. Centre-left in normal life) and I would much prefer schools to be secular, with less emphasis on RE and religious observance.

Ps. It might be cultural, but if somebody doesn't get the chance to pray it's not as if any heavenly being will actually notice, is it?

Your right to take the piss out of heavenly beings is as important as the next person's right to worship as they choose (within the context of peaceful prayer etc)

[Vanden Saab]

MrJuice said:

MC Bodge said:

Suella Braverman is a governor?!

Singing the UK national anthem?!

Good grief. It's not even a good (albeit nonsensical) song like "Jerusalem".

Have the authorities been informed?

I'm one of PH's hardline pinko commies (ie. Centre-left in normal life) and I would much prefer schools to be secular, with less emphasis on RE and religious observance.

Ps. It might be cultural, but if somebody doesn't get the chance to pray it's not as if any heavenly being will actually notice, is it?

Your right to take the piss out of heavenly beings is as important as the next person's right to worship as they choose (within the context of peaceful prayer etc)

They can worship all they like before or after school. Nobody is stopping them. Exactly as they did before they tried to disrupt the rest of the school pupils by insisting their worship had to be done during the day.

Edited by Vanden Saab on Wednesday 17th April 20:09

[turbobloke]

ATG said:

Slowboathome said:

ATG said:

....... a fking asylum run by a mad woman.....

.....I predict that this school's practices will change and they will slowly get shot of the lunacy as the founding nutcases gradually get replaced......

Edited by ATG on Wednesday 17th April 18:32

Infuriatingly it's highly successful and massively oversubscribed.

It's almost as if the parents of that part of London like what the mad woman and founding nutcases have done with the fking asylum.

It's the natural arc these things tend to follow. Charismatic lunatic enthuses a load of people (etc)

Charismatic yes, at which point your ad hom giveaways show you have no objective response to her education philosophy except to hurl abuse. Definitely not mad, definitely not a nutcase, and the situation has no valid asylum analogy.

She may not have dripping wet post-woke credentials, so what. Her opinions are worthy of consideration to avoid a groupthink consensus of we-know-best left illiberalism, a state of affairs which has done so well for education standards. It's rightly being rejected where realistic alternatives are available, and the presence of academies and free schools has helped with this, e.g. the Muslim free schools oop north.

If people disgree with her approach, that's their freedom of choice and fine, however as you know only too well by your opening remarks, parents do indeed think very highly of this HT and her school. It's massively over-subscribed, judged to offer an outstanding level of education by Ofsted, and yet you have nothing but hissy juvenile rhetoric to aim at KB and the school - precisely the stuff she and her staff have batted off for many years, hardly surprising as it's totally ineffective in any objective sense. An air of baseless smug condenscension is the cherry and icing on very low bar post content. The LA got there before you and are now looking like yesterday's failures, eating their own insulting words.

Nice work! Not unexpected though and it will go down well with retrograde progressives. Meanwhile the school goes from strength to strength under outstanding leadership and local parents remain largely enthusiastic supporters for good reason.

Also...infuriatingly

[MrJuice]

Really?

If they disrupted the rest of the pupils, forced anyone, bullied anyone etc, then fair game. They should be reprimanded

For anyone else, why get so worked up over someone willingly praying to a sky fairy

Where's the tolerance that everyone demands?

[Pitre]

MrJuice said:

Really?

If they disrupted the rest of the pupils, forced anyone, bullied anyone etc, then fair game. They should be reprimanded

For anyone else, why get so worked up over someone willingly praying to a sky fairy

Where's the tolerance that everyone demands?

The tolerance required is on the part of those protesting against the very rules they knowingly signed up for.

[otolith]

JagLover said:

I think this is an old fashioned school in many respects. Strict discipline and signing of national anthem included.

Not that old fashioned if they are so inclusive of the deaf.

[hidetheelephants]

otolith said:

JagLover said:

I think this is an old fashioned school in many respects. Strict discipline and signing of national anthem included.

Not that old fashioned if they are so inclusive of the deaf.

[JagLover]

ATG said:

The kids were getting together at break to pray. The problem is that kids are not allowed to congregate in groups of more than four at any time during the day, apparently. Which seems a bit odd to a normal person, but that's what was said on the radio this morning, if I heard it correctly.

So you have the happy convergence of a school that has good academic results, is a fking asylum run by a mad woman and may well have some litigious pupils who are a pain in the arse. So mainly a plague on all their houses, +/- the pupil's house.

I would expect a school to be able to set and enforce its own rules so long as they are transparent, not harmful and vaguely reasonable. Allowing different schools to try different strategies is fine. I'd expect governors and ultimately regulators to be the guard against batst crazy, with parents' primary weapon being to "vote with their feet".

In extreme cases it is fine for rules to be tested in court, and it isn't immediately obvious that this isn't one of those cases, so I'm not going to get exercised about a relatively small amount of cash being splashed on it from legal aid.

I predict that this school's practices will change and they will slowly get shot of the lunacy as the founding nutcases gradually get replaced. Let's hope they maintain good academic standards. It's pretty obvious that you don't need to finish letters with "God save the King!" to achieve that.

The school has been rated outstanding both times it was inspected and academically far outperforms the average in the state sector. Which is even more impressive due to the higher proportion of disadvantaged children.

So not sure where all the claims of being an asylum come from, except if some are opposed in principle to schools having a strict ethos and discipline.

They are also a choice, as they were an additional free school in the local area, who started out in a former office block. So parents who like the ethos can choose it and those who don't can go for the existing state schools in the area.

[sugerbear]

The school is a selective school. Does wonder to your results when you are able to pick and choose which pupils attend your school.

Knowing the self promotion of the head in this case it wouldnt surprise me if she put the parent up to taking action for a bit of self publicity.

[Slowboathome]

sugerbear said:

The school is a selective school. Does wonder to your results when you are able to pick and choose which pupils attend your school.

Knowing the self promotion of the head in this case it wouldnt surprise me if she put the parent up to taking action for a bit of self publicity.

I heard she was seen stroking a cat and cackling about world domination.

[vikingaero]

Follow the money - and that ends at the scum legal aid lawyers. Many people, and some in the legal profession say that most lawyers wouldn't undertake the legal aid work as it's peanuts. If they opened their eyes they'd see the small one/two man bands working from offices above shops for cheaper rent that happily undertake any work they can get.

[768]

sugerbear said:

The school is a selective school. Does wonder to your results when you are able to pick and choose which pupils attend your school.

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