Almost the time to dissolve Parliament?
Discussion
Martial Arts Man said:
fuctifino said:
Martial Arts Man said:
The problem for Gordo, even if he wanted to stoop as low as delaying an election, is that he is in charge of a party of politicians.
Politicians who will certainly not sacrifice themselves, as they would do by way of election wipe-out, for anyone, let alone GB. There are plenty of ambitious Labourites who would use the delaying of an election to their own ends.
It would take the media all of 5 minutes to be whipping up a storm of Biblical proportions if such an act came to be.
His own side aren't loyal enough to go along with this and kamikaze themselves; and quite rightly, too.
The Queen would not have to become involved in this unlikely scenario in my opinion.
To clarify, are you saying that the majority of Labour MPs would force Brown out? If that happened their would surely be a confidence vote engineered and bye bye, kamikaze indeed.Politicians who will certainly not sacrifice themselves, as they would do by way of election wipe-out, for anyone, let alone GB. There are plenty of ambitious Labourites who would use the delaying of an election to their own ends.
It would take the media all of 5 minutes to be whipping up a storm of Biblical proportions if such an act came to be.
His own side aren't loyal enough to go along with this and kamikaze themselves; and quite rightly, too.
The Queen would not have to become involved in this unlikely scenario in my opinion.
Maybe not a majority, but enough, given the cries of "foul" would be heard far and wide; opposition parties, media, EU troublemakers....everyone. Standing with the PM would be suicidal.
The Queen's only involvement would be to dot the Is and cross the Ts I reckon.
s and it would not surprise me to see them bring in some form of so called emergency powers to delay elections/keep themselves in power. Have you not noticed there stalinist police state leanings??How did mugabe come to be in power for 27 yrs?? Gordos party members wouldnt see it as suicide if done right. In fact they would potentially stand to benefit by sticking with him yet again ala Mugabe. Those who stuck with the breakaway are now severely wealthy.
In my book the queen should dissolve parliament next week monday. Hell tomorrow woundnt be soon enough for me.
I know i sound like a tinfoil hat nut but I have been watching and listening to labour for ten years.
jimmyb said:
Don't bet your house. Elections are meant to be held by next may however however gordo and labour scare me they really do. They are a deeply devious and conniving bunch of s and it would not surprise me to see them bring in some form of so called emergency powers to delay elections/keep themselves in power. Have you not noticed there stalinist police state leanings??
How did mugabe come to be in power for 27 yrs?? Gordos party members wouldnt see it as suicide if done right. In fact they would potentially stand to benefit by sticking with him yet again ala Mugabe. Those who stuck with the breakaway are now severely wealthy.
In my book the queen should dissolve parliament next week monday. Hell tomorrow woundnt be soon enough for me.
I know i sound like a tinfoil hat nut but I have been watching and listening to labour for ten years.
The Queen cannot just dissolve Parliament.s and it would not surprise me to see them bring in some form of so called emergency powers to delay elections/keep themselves in power. Have you not noticed there stalinist police state leanings??How did mugabe come to be in power for 27 yrs?? Gordos party members wouldnt see it as suicide if done right. In fact they would potentially stand to benefit by sticking with him yet again ala Mugabe. Those who stuck with the breakaway are now severely wealthy.
In my book the queen should dissolve parliament next week monday. Hell tomorrow woundnt be soon enough for me.
I know i sound like a tinfoil hat nut but I have been watching and listening to labour for ten years.
Many people from all social strata voted labour and possibly will again. Get used to it.
The last two Conservative periods gave us Heath and three day week and Thatchers engineered disputes, many communities were destroyed and suffered. You really think now is worse?
All this nonsense about postponing the election is just that, nonsense. It is very common among American nutjobs to claim whichever Pres' is in charge will take powers to delay elections and rule forever, you'll notice they are wrong.
This country is a Parliamentary Democracy. You're either a Democrat or not.
Shuvi said:
jimmyb said:
Don't bet your house. Elections are meant to be held by next may however however gordo and labour scare me they really do. They are a deeply devious and conniving bunch of s and it would not surprise me to see them bring in some form of so called emergency powers to delay elections/keep themselves in power. Have you not noticed there stalinist police state leanings??
How did mugabe come to be in power for 27 yrs?? Gordos party members wouldnt see it as suicide if done right. In fact they would potentially stand to benefit by sticking with him yet again ala Mugabe. Those who stuck with the breakaway are now severely wealthy.
In my book the queen should dissolve parliament next week monday. Hell tomorrow woundnt be soon enough for me.
I know i sound like a tinfoil hat nut but I have been watching and listening to labour for ten years.
The Queen cannot just dissolve Parliament.s and it would not surprise me to see them bring in some form of so called emergency powers to delay elections/keep themselves in power. Have you not noticed there stalinist police state leanings??How did mugabe come to be in power for 27 yrs?? Gordos party members wouldnt see it as suicide if done right. In fact they would potentially stand to benefit by sticking with him yet again ala Mugabe. Those who stuck with the breakaway are now severely wealthy.
In my book the queen should dissolve parliament next week monday. Hell tomorrow woundnt be soon enough for me.
I know i sound like a tinfoil hat nut but I have been watching and listening to labour for ten years.
Many people from all social strata voted labour and possibly will again. Get used to it.
The last two Conservative periods gave us Heath and three day week and Thatchers engineered disputes, many communities were destroyed and suffered. You really think now is worse?
All this nonsense about postponing the election is just that, nonsense. It is very common among American nutjobs to claim whichever Pres' is in charge will take powers to delay elections and rule forever, you'll notice they are wrong.
This country is a Parliamentary Democracy. You're either a Democrat or not.
Shuvi said:
jimmyb said:
Don't bet your house. Elections are meant to be held by next may however however gordo and labour scare me they really do. They are a deeply devious and conniving bunch of s and it would not surprise me to see them bring in some form of so called emergency powers to delay elections/keep themselves in power. Have you not noticed there stalinist police state leanings??
How did mugabe come to be in power for 27 yrs?? Gordos party members wouldnt see it as suicide if done right. In fact they would potentially stand to benefit by sticking with him yet again ala Mugabe. Those who stuck with the breakaway are now severely wealthy.
In my book the queen should dissolve parliament next week monday. Hell tomorrow woundnt be soon enough for me.
I know i sound like a tinfoil hat nut but I have been watching and listening to labour for ten years.
The Queen cannot just dissolve Parliament.s and it would not surprise me to see them bring in some form of so called emergency powers to delay elections/keep themselves in power. Have you not noticed there stalinist police state leanings??How did mugabe come to be in power for 27 yrs?? Gordos party members wouldnt see it as suicide if done right. In fact they would potentially stand to benefit by sticking with him yet again ala Mugabe. Those who stuck with the breakaway are now severely wealthy.
In my book the queen should dissolve parliament next week monday. Hell tomorrow woundnt be soon enough for me.
I know i sound like a tinfoil hat nut but I have been watching and listening to labour for ten years.
Many people from all social strata voted labour and possibly will again. Get used to it.
The last two Conservative periods gave us Heath and three day week and Thatchers engineered disputes, many communities were destroyed and suffered. You really think now is worse?
All this nonsense about postponing the election is just that, nonsense. It is very common among American nutjobs to claim whichever Pres' is in charge will take powers to delay elections and rule forever, you'll notice they are wrong.
This country is a Parliamentary Democracy. You're either a Democrat or not.
s2art said:
Shuvi said:
The Queen cannot just dissolve Parliament.
Errm, actually the Queen can. In fact its her duty to do so if the situation is such that leaving the incumbents in is bad for Britain. She did precisely this in Australia in the '70's.jimmyb said:
s2art said:
Shuvi said:
The Queen cannot just dissolve Parliament.
Errm, actually the Queen can. In fact its her duty to do so if the situation is such that leaving the incumbents in is bad for Britain. She did precisely this in Australia in the '70's.jimmyb said:
Umm I hate to break this to you but you sound like one of those naive labour forever style voters who think thatcher ruined this country when the opposite is true. Thatcher did things which were not popular but that were necessary for the good of the country as a whole but many people were too narrow minded to see it.
I assure you I'm far from naive. Umm you think Thatcher did the right thing, many don't. You're also pre-supposing she got the outcome she desired. Perhaps she had no goal, other than confronting certain groups. When did Thatcher ever claim what she did was for the good of the Country? She certainly did not at the time, only when it was clear what was happening, did it become 'good for the Country' Many also think that the outcome we see, could have been achieved without killing off whole sectors of industry that many here on PH complain the country is lacking.
jimmyb said:
Labour only do whats good for them and their personal agendas. They are very much like any fanatical group like the taliban etc.
Replace Labour with Conservative and that statement applies to any Tory Gov' since the war too.jimmyb said:
s2art said:
Shuvi said:
The Queen cannot just dissolve Parliament.
Errm, actually the Queen can. In fact its her duty to do so if the situation is such that leaving the incumbents in is bad for Britain. She did precisely this in Australia in the '70's.Shuvi said:
s2art said:
Shuvi said:
The Queen cannot just dissolve Parliament.
Errm, actually the Queen can. In fact its her duty to do so if the situation is such that leaving the incumbents in is bad for Britain. She did precisely this in Australia in the '70's.Shuvi said:
s2art said:
Shuvi said:
The Queen cannot just dissolve Parliament.
Errm, actually the Queen can. In fact its her duty to do so if the situation is such that leaving the incumbents in is bad for Britain. She did precisely this in Australia in the '70's.Shuvi said:
s2art said:
Shuvi said:
The Queen cannot just dissolve Parliament.
Errm, actually the Queen can. In fact its her duty to do so if the situation is such that leaving the incumbents in is bad for Britain. She did precisely this in Australia in the '70's.The power to dissolve Parliament
A dissolution of Parliament is the device that triggers a General Election. Only the Queen can dissolve Parliament and she has the power so to act at any time, for any reason, or for none. Normally the Queen will dissolve Parliament only on the advice of the Prime Minister. But Edward VII insisted on a dissolution in 1910 before he would agree to act on certain policies preferred by the Prime Minister of the day (Asquith). A full constitutional crisis was prevented only by the King's death and his replacement by George V.
In 1974 Prime Minister Harold Wilson called a second election following a very narrow victory over his Conservative opponents a few months earlier. It has been made clear since that the Queen was under no obligation to grant this request for an election. The Queen had the power to tell Wilson that the people had only recently been asked to vote and that their decision should be respected, that it was up to him to find a way to make his minority government work. In the event she granted his wish and he was returned with a small majority.
In 1990, when Margaret Thatcher was going through her prolonged removal from office at the hands of her parliamentary colleagues, there were real fears that she would out-maneuver them by calling an election. The Queen would have been within her 'rights' to deny such a request on the grounds that it was self-serving, and not in the interests of the country.
The power to dismiss the Government
Legally, the Queen has the power to dismiss the Government at any time and for any reason or for none. No exercise of this power could be struck down by any court of law. This power was last exercised in the United Kingdom by William IV in 1834, but it remains in place. It was exercised with devastating effect in 1975 in Australia.
A dissolution of Parliament is the device that triggers a General Election. Only the Queen can dissolve Parliament and she has the power so to act at any time, for any reason, or for none. Normally the Queen will dissolve Parliament only on the advice of the Prime Minister. But Edward VII insisted on a dissolution in 1910 before he would agree to act on certain policies preferred by the Prime Minister of the day (Asquith). A full constitutional crisis was prevented only by the King's death and his replacement by George V.
In 1974 Prime Minister Harold Wilson called a second election following a very narrow victory over his Conservative opponents a few months earlier. It has been made clear since that the Queen was under no obligation to grant this request for an election. The Queen had the power to tell Wilson that the people had only recently been asked to vote and that their decision should be respected, that it was up to him to find a way to make his minority government work. In the event she granted his wish and he was returned with a small majority.
In 1990, when Margaret Thatcher was going through her prolonged removal from office at the hands of her parliamentary colleagues, there were real fears that she would out-maneuver them by calling an election. The Queen would have been within her 'rights' to deny such a request on the grounds that it was self-serving, and not in the interests of the country.
The power to dismiss the Government
Legally, the Queen has the power to dismiss the Government at any time and for any reason or for none. No exercise of this power could be struck down by any court of law. This power was last exercised in the United Kingdom by William IV in 1834, but it remains in place. It was exercised with devastating effect in 1975 in Australia.
fuctifino said:
Shuvi said:
s2art said:
Shuvi said:
The Queen cannot just dissolve Parliament.
Errm, actually the Queen can. In fact its her duty to do so if the situation is such that leaving the incumbents in is bad for Britain. She did precisely this in Australia in the '70's.The Queen retains certain residual powers, notably to appoint a prime minister, (One having been elected normally) and to decide whether or not to grant a dissolution of Parliament.
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