G20 attack cop, "comes forward"
Discussion
How does pushing a man to the ground in front of you stop him from impeding your progress? It doesn't. What it DOES do is serve as a visual threat to the more able protestors looking on, and I think this is why that cop did what he did.
I think the events that led up to this will determine whether his actions are excusable. CCTV, mobile phones and press photographers should be able to piece together a pretty detailed account of events. The route he travelled that day must be very well covered by CCTV.
Who will collate all that CCTV evidence?
I think the events that led up to this will determine whether his actions are excusable. CCTV, mobile phones and press photographers should be able to piece together a pretty detailed account of events. The route he travelled that day must be very well covered by CCTV.
Who will collate all that CCTV evidence?
Funny how things turn around isn't it?
Wasn't that long ago that the Pie and Piston was full of "G20 protesters. a
holes. Get a job" etc...
Now the cops are the bad guys and the "protester" (one who is out causing trouble and straining our public services) is the good guy.
I'm not saying that either side is right. What I am saying is there are 3 sides to every story.
His side.
The Policemans side.
The truth.
Stop reading crap newpapers and make up your own opinons. Seems that so many people on here are sucked in by the media.
Wasn't that long ago that the Pie and Piston was full of "G20 protesters. a
holes. Get a job" etc...Now the cops are the bad guys and the "protester" (one who is out causing trouble and straining our public services) is the good guy.
I'm not saying that either side is right. What I am saying is there are 3 sides to every story.
His side.
The Policemans side.
The truth.
Stop reading crap newpapers and make up your own opinons. Seems that so many people on here are sucked in by the media.
I know from experience that shoving some one can easily cause them to lose their balance (from both ends of it). As the shove isn't very clear on TV is it possible that the shove was a hurry up and not intended to floor the guy at all...he does certainly appear to be deliberately walking slowly/annoyingly. Hitting him with the batton was certainly a bit extreme.
As for the heart attack that killed him, certainly very unlucky...bought on by the 'attack' or not he doesn't deserve to be dead.Who knows though, had he hurried up he may have had the heart attack in the middle of the crowd and one of the protesters now be getting the blame.
Excess force seems to be a reasonable charge..manslaughter a tad harsh...and no i'm not a cop.
As for the heart attack that killed him, certainly very unlucky...bought on by the 'attack' or not he doesn't deserve to be dead.Who knows though, had he hurried up he may have had the heart attack in the middle of the crowd and one of the protesters now be getting the blame.
Excess force seems to be a reasonable charge..manslaughter a tad harsh...and no i'm not a cop.
chunkymonkey71 said:
Funny how things turn around isn't it?
Wasn't that long ago that the Pie and Piston was full of "G20 protesters. aholes. Get a job" etc...
Now the cops are the bad guys and the "protester" (one who is out causing trouble and straining our public services) is the good guy.
I'm not saying that either side is right. What I am saying is there are 3 sides to every story.
His side.
The Policemans side.
The truth.
Stop reading crap newpapers and make up your own opinons. Seems that so many people on here are sucked in by the media.
He wasn't a protestor!Wasn't that long ago that the Pie and Piston was full of "G20 protesters. a
holes. Get a job" etc...Now the cops are the bad guys and the "protester" (one who is out causing trouble and straining our public services) is the good guy.
I'm not saying that either side is right. What I am saying is there are 3 sides to every story.
His side.
The Policemans side.
The truth.
Stop reading crap newpapers and make up your own opinons. Seems that so many people on here are sucked in by the media.
He was a newspaper seller who packed up for the day and was trying to make his way home. At some point he was turned back towards the crowd by the police i.e. they refused to let him through their line.
jesta1865 said:
Is it just me, or does that BBC clip appear to be of lower grade than it was yesterday? I'm quite sure it was clearer than that previously :tinfoilhat:isee said:
rasputin said:
I see there's a new addition to the list.
"I don't care how much education you've had, how many years of on the job training and years of experience you've got, I can still do your job better than you":
Psychology
Computing/Programming
Pilot
+Police
Sorry for beig thick, what are you saying?"I don't care how much education you've had, how many years of on the job training and years of experience you've got, I can still do your job better than you":
Psychology
Computing/Programming
Pilot
+Police
Or rather I don't quite get the tone.
It may be a little early to say that nobody could possibly defend his actions, yes?
Maybe he enjoys beating up innocent people. Or maybe his training/experience told him something was dodgy about this guy's behaviour (hands in pockets... hidden weapon? maybe he said something? Who knows...)
mcdjl said:
I know from experience that shoving some one can easily cause them to lose their balance (from both ends of it). As the shove isn't very clear on TV is it possible that the shove was a hurry up and not intended to floor the guy at all...he does certainly appear to be deliberately walking slowly/annoyingly. Hitting him with the batton was certainly a bit extreme.
As for the heart attack that killed him, certainly very unlucky...bought on by the 'attack' or not he doesn't deserve to be dead.Who knows though, had he hurried up he may have had the heart attack in the middle of the crowd and one of the protesters now be getting the blame.
Excess force seems to be a reasonable charge..manslaughter a tad harsh...and no i'm not a cop.
As for the heart attack that killed him, certainly very unlucky...bought on by the 'attack' or not he doesn't deserve to be dead.Who knows though, had he hurried up he may have had the heart attack in the middle of the crowd and one of the protesters now be getting the blame.
Excess force seems to be a reasonable charge..manslaughter a tad harsh...and no i'm not a cop.
Was he drunk? Was he already having the heart attack? Who knows? Certainly no one on this thread does.Trial by media, isn't it great.
mechsympathy said:
Was he drunk? Was he already having the heart attack? Who knows? Certainly no one on this thread does.
Trial by media, isn't it great.
Woah there. Don't let common sense get in the way of sophisticated chavdom... "Down with the police! They is on a quota to kill protesters/give us speeding tickets innit!"Trial by media, isn't it great.
The Orphan said:
bigTee said:
The fkwit cop caused that mans death.
You cannot say that.kwit cop caused that mans death. You don't know all the facts.
A second post mortem is being carried out to investigate further.
Bent copper pushes man to the ground.
Man dies.
Send copper to prison.
Copper gets bummed by inmates he help put away.
Next case.
bigTee said:
The Orphan said:
bigTee said:
The fkwit cop caused that mans death.
You cannot say that.kwit cop caused that mans death. You don't know all the facts.
A second post mortem is being carried out to investigate further.
Bent copper pushes man to the ground.
Man dies.
Send copper to prison.
Copper gets bummed by inmates he help put away.
Next case.
Too simplistic.
Let's hope nobody you ever push dies, eh?
bigTee said:
The Orphan said:
bigTee said:
The fkwit cop caused that mans death.
You cannot say that.kwit cop caused that mans death. You don't know all the facts.
A second post mortem is being carried out to investigate further.
Bent copper pushes man to the ground.
Man dies.
Send copper to prison.
Copper gets bummed by inmates he help put away.
Next case.
mechsympathy said:
mcdjl said:
I know from experience that shoving some one can easily cause them to lose their balance (from both ends of it). As the shove isn't very clear on TV is it possible that the shove was a hurry up and not intended to floor the guy at all...he does certainly appear to be deliberately walking slowly/annoyingly. Hitting him with the batton was certainly a bit extreme.
As for the heart attack that killed him, certainly very unlucky...bought on by the 'attack' or not he doesn't deserve to be dead.Who knows though, had he hurried up he may have had the heart attack in the middle of the crowd and one of the protesters now be getting the blame.
Excess force seems to be a reasonable charge..manslaughter a tad harsh...and no i'm not a cop.
As for the heart attack that killed him, certainly very unlucky...bought on by the 'attack' or not he doesn't deserve to be dead.Who knows though, had he hurried up he may have had the heart attack in the middle of the crowd and one of the protesters now be getting the blame.
Excess force seems to be a reasonable charge..manslaughter a tad harsh...and no i'm not a cop.
Was he drunk? Was he already having the heart attack? Who knows? Certainly no one on this thread does.Trial by media, isn't it great.
jesta1865 said:
watch the footage here
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7991206....
then try and justify what the copper did, the man was an animal and i feel strongly that he should be looking for work soon at the very least, if not a conviction to go with it.
the guy was trying to get home and was trying to get round the protest, the copper was way out of order.
is it any wonder we get the attitude off some of the next generation when they see the so called police doing this. i know there will be people telling me what a horrid job the plod do, fine, deal with it you chose to do it, if you can't then leave, don't attack people with their hands in their pockets.
he is no better than some knife wielding chav mugger.
Do people as naive as you REALLY still exist - or are you just 12?http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7991206....
then try and justify what the copper did, the man was an animal and i feel strongly that he should be looking for work soon at the very least, if not a conviction to go with it.
the guy was trying to get home and was trying to get round the protest, the copper was way out of order.
is it any wonder we get the attitude off some of the next generation when they see the so called police doing this. i know there will be people telling me what a horrid job the plod do, fine, deal with it you chose to do it, if you can't then leave, don't attack people with their hands in their pockets.
he is no better than some knife wielding chav mugger.
The media must love brainless people like you who open up the Daily Mail and believe every single sensationalist word you read.
ZR1Cliff summed it up perfectly here:
ZR1cliff said:
The fact is we don't know what happened prior to the filming, we also don't know what was being said. We know the police were in a confrontational and aggresive mood because of what was going on around them. We also know the police can't deal with a possible riot situation by asking people to politely move along.
Anyone feel that from the way the deceased was slowly moving he was intentionaly obstructing the police ? Certainly looked to me like he was irritating them by shuffling along. If it was 'kicking off' elsewhere and he was in their way and had been told to move but resisted then I can understand what went on.
When you get a bit more grown up, perhaps you'll understand. What you read in the papers and watch on Sky News is NEVER what actually happened.Anyone feel that from the way the deceased was slowly moving he was intentionaly obstructing the police ? Certainly looked to me like he was irritating them by shuffling along. If it was 'kicking off' elsewhere and he was in their way and had been told to move but resisted then I can understand what went on.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not condoning the behaviour of the Police, if what we saw was really as it appears, but it's very easy to draw wrong conclusions when you only have half the evidence.
ewenm said:
bigTee said:
The Orphan said:
bigTee said:
The fkwit cop caused that mans death.
You cannot say that.kwit cop caused that mans death. You don't know all the facts.
A second post mortem is being carried out to investigate further.
Bent copper pushes man to the ground.
Man dies.
Send copper to prison.
Copper gets bummed by inmates he help put away.
Next case.
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