G20 attack cop, "comes forward"
Discussion
Invisible man said:
bigTee said:
Dupont666 said:
they dont usually do that kind of thing unless provoked badly.
I was kicked in the face once by a mounted cop at a football match.
I provoked the attack by patting the horse as i was waiting to go in.
bigTee said:
The Orphan said:
bigTee said:
The f
kwit cop caused that mans death.
You cannot say that.kwit cop caused that mans death. You don't know all the facts.
A second post mortem is being carried out to investigate further.
Bent copper pushes man to the ground.
Man dies.
Send copper to prison.
Copper gets bummed by inmates he help put away.
Next case.
Or is it only in Glasgow that we use the word "Bent" to describe people of a homosexual persuasion?
bigTee said:
CzechItOut said:
bigTee said:
CzechItOut said:
I'm not sure what these people expect when they go to a riot, tickling contests and knock-knock jokes?
He was walking home from work.Your right, the b
d should have been stoned.chunkymonkey71 said:
Still, no protesters would mean no riot plice and no dicking about would mean no heavy handed crowd control tactics.
Once again the workshy get in the way of the great british taxpayer...
You fool. Would you really prefer to live in a state where no one had the guts to stand up and protest? Your freedoms were bought buy people with the backbone to stand up against the state. Go andf re-read your politcal history from this country. Perhaps you'd be happier in North Korea? You dont have to agree with their methods or their views, but once you stop people protesting then you hand over control to the few, the priveledged and the corrupt. And the Police turns into the states' enforcers.Once again the workshy get in the way of the great british taxpayer...
Tony*T3 said:
chunkymonkey71 said:
Still, no protesters would mean no riot plice and no dicking about would mean no heavy handed crowd control tactics.
Once again the workshy get in the way of the great british taxpayer...
You fool. Would you really prefer to live in a state where no one had the guts to stand up and protest? Your freedoms were bought buy people with the backbone to stand up against the state. Go andf re-read your politcal history from this country. Perhaps you'd be happier in North Korea? You dont have to agree with their methods or their views, but once you stop people protesting then you hand over control to the few, the priveledged and the corrupt. And the Police turns into the states' enforcers.Once again the workshy get in the way of the great british taxpayer...
Tony*T3 said:
chunkymonkey71 said:
Still, no protesters would mean no riot plice and no dicking about would mean no heavy handed crowd control tactics.
Once again the workshy get in the way of the great british taxpayer...
You fool. Would you really prefer to live in a state where no one had the guts to stand up and protest? Your freedoms were bought buy people with the backbone to stand up against the state. Go andf re-read your politcal history from this country. Perhaps you'd be happier in North Korea? You dont have to agree with their methods or their views, but once you stop people protesting then you hand over control to the few, the priveledged and the corrupt. And the Police turns into the states' enforcers.Once again the workshy get in the way of the great british taxpayer...
WOuld you like some Lentils?
Tony*T3 said:
You fool. Would you really prefer to live in a state where no one had the guts to stand up and protest? Your freedoms were bought buy people with the backbone to stand up against the state. Go andf re-read your politcal history from this country. Perhaps you'd be happier in North Korea? You dont have to agree with their methods or their views, but once you stop people protesting then you hand over control to the few, the priveledged and the corrupt. And the Police turns into the states' enforcers.
Hooray for yogurt weavers!Seriously, protesting for "anarchy" because you're a failure who'll never make a difference to the world, and because all your uni mates/fellow dole collectors are doing it and it'll be a fun day out... Doesn't help anyone
In fact, it makes it impossible for the genuine protestors with genuine causes to be heard.
We are not heading towards North Korea. We are heading towards scummy uneducated people with no real world experience being worth more and being listened to more than hard-working educated taxpayers who love their country.
rasputin said:
Tony*T3 said:
You fool. Would you really prefer to live in a state where no one had the guts to stand up and protest? Your freedoms were bought buy people with the backbone to stand up against the state. Go andf re-read your politcal history from this country. Perhaps you'd be happier in North Korea? You dont have to agree with their methods or their views, but once you stop people protesting then you hand over control to the few, the priveledged and the corrupt. And the Police turns into the states' enforcers.
Hooray for yogurt weavers!Seriously, protesting for "anarchy" because you're a failure who'll never make a difference to the world, and because all your uni mates/fellow dole collectors are doing it and it'll be a fun day out... Doesn't help anyone
In fact, it makes it impossible for the genuine protestors with genuine causes to be heard.
We are not heading towards North Korea. We are heading towards scummy uneducated people with no real world experience being worth more and being listened to more than hard-working educated taxpayers who love their country.
The Black Flash said:
mcdjl said:
I know from experience that shoving some one can easily cause them to lose their balance (from both ends of it). As the shove isn't very clear on TV is it possible that the shove was a hurry up and not intended to floor the guy at all...he does certainly appear to be deliberately walking slowly/annoyingly. Hitting him with the batton was certainly a bit extreme.
There are two clips from two different angles. The shove is not a "hurry up" shove with the arm, it's a properly executed whole-body thrust from a low base, powered by the legs. It will be a technique he's been trained in for repelling people in a melee. Too forceful in that situation IMO.mcdjl said:
The Black Flash said:
mcdjl said:
I know from experience that shoving some one can easily cause them to lose their balance (from both ends of it). As the shove isn't very clear on TV is it possible that the shove was a hurry up and not intended to floor the guy at all...he does certainly appear to be deliberately walking slowly/annoyingly. Hitting him with the batton was certainly a bit extreme.
There are two clips from two different angles. The shove is not a "hurry up" shove with the arm, it's a properly executed whole-body thrust from a low base, powered by the legs. It will be a technique he's been trained in for repelling people in a melee. Too forceful in that situation IMO.k did you hit me?" too. Mouthing off? Depends on you definition.I have to say that there are two sides to this argument and we have only heard the one side of the media who have portrayed it how they want ie innocent family man attacked for no reason. I will therefore reserve judgement based on the following:
1. If he was nothing to do with the protests why was he there. I would have been far far away.
2. Why was he walking so close to a sweeping line of riot cops so casually. If I didn't want trouble I'd make sure I was well out of their way, even if it meant running.
3. The video does seem to slow him deliberately loitering with his hands in his pockets and head down. Why would you be doing this unless you wanted to antaganise the cops who were trying to do a job. Seriously. I'd be well out of their way
4. There has been no video evidence of what went on between him and said masked cop in the minutes leading up to the push. There must be more to it.
5. I'd be interested to know why he approached his sarge when the guy scattered at what was said.
6. The cop actually followed him as he disappeared off. There was obviously a reason why he was paying so much attention to this guy, and I don't think it was because a bully was singling out an innocent man...
1. If he was nothing to do with the protests why was he there. I would have been far far away.
2. Why was he walking so close to a sweeping line of riot cops so casually. If I didn't want trouble I'd make sure I was well out of their way, even if it meant running.
3. The video does seem to slow him deliberately loitering with his hands in his pockets and head down. Why would you be doing this unless you wanted to antaganise the cops who were trying to do a job. Seriously. I'd be well out of their way
4. There has been no video evidence of what went on between him and said masked cop in the minutes leading up to the push. There must be more to it.
5. I'd be interested to know why he approached his sarge when the guy scattered at what was said.
6. The cop actually followed him as he disappeared off. There was obviously a reason why he was paying so much attention to this guy, and I don't think it was because a bully was singling out an innocent man...
voyds9 said:
It looked to me as if the man was giving it some "this is how slowly I can walk and there is nothing you can do it about it attitude", and the police decide that they could do something about it.
Should they have pushed him, no. Does it happen regularly, probably. And I can understand and agree with it.
AgreedShould they have pushed him, no. Does it happen regularly, probably. And I can understand and agree with it.
The media have tried to present him as an innoncent comuter attacked for no reason. But it looked to me as well that he was clearly taunting the police by walking slowly in their way. That doesn't justify beating the cr*p out of him mind, but if they were in a hurry they might well have needed to give him a shove.
bazking69 said:
I have to say that there are two sides to this argument and we have only heard the one side of the media who have portrayed it how they want ie innocent family man attacked for no reason. I will therefore reserve judgement based on the following:
1. If he was nothing to do with the protests why was he there. I would have been far far away.
My understanding is he was a vendor who worked near there
2. Why was he walking so close to a sweeping line of riot cops so casually. If I didn't want trouble I'd make sure I was well out of their way, even if it meant running.
Because he had done nothing wrong and was just a worker heading home so perhaps didn't feel it necessary to run along past police who are there to serve and protect him
3. The video does seem to slow him deliberately loitering with his hands in his pockets and head down. Why would you be doing this unless you wanted to antaganise the cops who were trying to do a job. Seriously. I'd be well out of their way
Perhaps he's trying to work out how to get home? Is walking around with hands in pockets antagonisign nowadays then?
4. There has been no video evidence of what went on between him and said masked cop in the minutes leading up to the push. There must be more to it.
Why? He may have said excuse me officer but I want to get home and there are a load of unwashed rioters that way, may I pootle through that line there please. He may have said "feck off outta my way pig".. We don't know.
5. I'd be interested to know why he approached his sarge when the guy scattered at what was said.
6. The cop actually followed him as he disappeared off. There was obviously a reason why he was paying so much attention to this guy, and I don't think it was because a bully was singling out an innocent man...
[b] Perhaps the man had said he's taken that copper's number and he would be reporting him so the copper wanted revenge. Perhaps the man said he's got a gun in his pocket and he's gonna go pig shooting. Either way, he was leaving when struck. [b/]
You don't appear to have reserved judgement at all. Perhaps I can play devil's advocate further - see bold.1. If he was nothing to do with the protests why was he there. I would have been far far away.
My understanding is he was a vendor who worked near there
2. Why was he walking so close to a sweeping line of riot cops so casually. If I didn't want trouble I'd make sure I was well out of their way, even if it meant running.
Because he had done nothing wrong and was just a worker heading home so perhaps didn't feel it necessary to run along past police who are there to serve and protect him
3. The video does seem to slow him deliberately loitering with his hands in his pockets and head down. Why would you be doing this unless you wanted to antaganise the cops who were trying to do a job. Seriously. I'd be well out of their way
Perhaps he's trying to work out how to get home? Is walking around with hands in pockets antagonisign nowadays then?
4. There has been no video evidence of what went on between him and said masked cop in the minutes leading up to the push. There must be more to it.
Why? He may have said excuse me officer but I want to get home and there are a load of unwashed rioters that way, may I pootle through that line there please. He may have said "feck off outta my way pig".. We don't know.
5. I'd be interested to know why he approached his sarge when the guy scattered at what was said.
6. The cop actually followed him as he disappeared off. There was obviously a reason why he was paying so much attention to this guy, and I don't think it was because a bully was singling out an innocent man...
[b] Perhaps the man had said he's taken that copper's number and he would be reporting him so the copper wanted revenge. Perhaps the man said he's got a gun in his pocket and he's gonna go pig shooting. Either way, he was leaving when struck. [b/]
bazking69 said:
I have to say that there are two sides to this argument and we have only heard the one side of the media who have portrayed it how they want ie innocent family man attacked for no reason. I will therefore reserve judgement based on the following:
1. If he was nothing to do with the protests why was he there. I would have been far far away.
2. Why was he walking so close to a sweeping line of riot cops so casually. If I didn't want trouble I'd make sure I was well out of their way, even if it meant running.
3. The video does seem to slow him deliberately loitering with his hands in his pockets and head down. Why would you be doing this unless you wanted to antaganise the cops who were trying to do a job. Seriously. I'd be well out of their way
4. There has been no video evidence of what went on between him and said masked cop in the minutes leading up to the push. There must be more to it.
5. I'd be interested to know why he approached his sarge when the guy scattered at what was said.
6. The cop actually followed him as he disappeared off. There was obviously a reason why he was paying so much attention to this guy, and I don't think it was because a bully was singling out an innocent man...
Covered by the evening news last night. He was in the vicinity because he worked there. He was trying to walk home and had been diverted several times by the mob and police methods of 'kettling'. The route he took looked to be about trying to avoid the protest.1. If he was nothing to do with the protests why was he there. I would have been far far away.
2. Why was he walking so close to a sweeping line of riot cops so casually. If I didn't want trouble I'd make sure I was well out of their way, even if it meant running.
3. The video does seem to slow him deliberately loitering with his hands in his pockets and head down. Why would you be doing this unless you wanted to antaganise the cops who were trying to do a job. Seriously. I'd be well out of their way
4. There has been no video evidence of what went on between him and said masked cop in the minutes leading up to the push. There must be more to it.
5. I'd be interested to know why he approached his sarge when the guy scattered at what was said.
6. The cop actually followed him as he disappeared off. There was obviously a reason why he was paying so much attention to this guy, and I don't think it was because a bully was singling out an innocent man...
sleep envy said:
V6 said:
bigTee said:
The fkwit cop caused that mans death.
Manslaughter in my eyes.
Send the fker down.
Agreed.kwit cop caused that mans death. Manslaughter in my eyes.
Send the f
ker down.Dupont666 said:
How do we know he didnt provoke or even do something like spit at the officer... they dont usually do that kind of thing unless provoked badly.
If that had been the case, and the officer had pushed him away at the time, then fair play. I wouldn't expect police to just stand there and take it. But for the officer to wait until he turned his back, then hit him and push him, would mean that it was just done in spite. I'm struggling to see what the officer was trying to achieve by his actions here to be honest. None of the possibilities seem to paint him in a very good light. Revenge? Making an example? Loss of control? Because he could? If he was really trying to move the chap on then he made a serious error of judgement.
CzechItOut said:
bigTee said:
CzechItOut said:
I'm not sure what these people expect when they go to a riot, tickling contests and knock-knock jokes?
He was walking home from work.Trouble is the Officer has witnesses in the form of colleagues - the deceased does not, and cannot speak from himself.
Is the footage enough?
I know what I "think" about what happened, and believe me it is the same as most that have commented on here.
Will true justice be done? We'll have to wait and see providing all the facts are made known. But that's the problem - see my first line above. We just have the video to go on.
Is the footage enough?
I know what I "think" about what happened, and believe me it is the same as most that have commented on here.
Will true justice be done? We'll have to wait and see providing all the facts are made known. But that's the problem - see my first line above. We just have the video to go on.
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