David Cameron, no just no.

Poll: David Cameron, no just no.

Total Members Polled: 92

Don't do it: 53%
They'll work out the security problems: 13%
It's never been secure anyway: 14%
It's just a pipe dream: 20%
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Silent1

Original Poster:

19,761 posts

236 months

Tuesday 7th July 2009
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Cameron has suggested we store all of our medical records with google, this worries me a
seriously as google could end up using it for targeted advertising, selling to unscrupulous people and the risk of waylaying data due to theft, keep it in a security company that's not also the world leader in preparing data far accessibility. Hopefully he will see sense :s

Nuclearsquash

1,329 posts

263 months

Tuesday 7th July 2009
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i don't think it will be a case of storing cases on google it's more of finding a partner like google or MS that would be able to offer a solution. As he rightly said, who has recently lost the most of our personal info...... HM Government of course in super duper secure government depts

FNG

4,183 posts

225 months

Tuesday 7th July 2009
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How about "a bit of fine-tuning and I like the idea"??

thinfourth2

32,414 posts

205 months

Tuesday 7th July 2009
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Silent1 said:
google could end up using it for targeted advertising, selling to unscrupulous people and the risk of waylaying data due to theft, keep it in a security company that's not also the world leader in preparing data far accessibility. Hopefully he will see sense :s
The advantage of google selling our data to unscrupulous people is you can buy shares in google and i'd trust google way more then the government

Crusoe

4,068 posts

232 months

Tuesday 7th July 2009
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we use the google search engine at work on our own database. Allows a google like word type search, documents are scanned by the google spider to pick up the text etc. but does not relate to google the web search engine at all. Would make sence to have a database managed by the government just with google type search engine software added on.

jesta1865

3,448 posts

210 months

Tuesday 7th July 2009
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thinfourth2 said:
Silent1 said:
google could end up using it for targeted advertising, selling to unscrupulous people and the risk of waylaying data due to theft, keep it in a security company that's not also the world leader in preparing data far accessibility. Hopefully he will see sense :s
The advantage of google selling our data to unscrupulous people is you can buy shares in google and i'd trust google way more then the government
yes and they would be upfront about it, not sell it through the back-door like some gubbermint depts have?

thinfourth2

32,414 posts

205 months

Tuesday 7th July 2009
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Crusoe said:
we use the google search engine at work on our own database. Allows a google like word type search, documents are scanned by the google spider to pick up the text etc. but does not relate to google the web search engine at all. Would make sence to have a database managed by the government just with google type search engine software added on.
My question is

The google spider

Can it be trained so that when it gets left on a train is it clever enough to walk home?

Spiritual_Beggar

4,833 posts

195 months

Tuesday 7th July 2009
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He syas brilliant stuff like; He'll smash the quangos!!!!



:in song: "And then he goes and spoils it all by saying something stupid like "trust google"! :in song:

Parrot of Doom

23,075 posts

235 months

Tuesday 7th July 2009
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Silent1 said:
Cameron has suggested we store all of our medical records with google, this worries me a
seriously as google could end up using it for targeted advertising, selling to unscrupulous people and the risk of waylaying data due to theft, keep it in a security company that's not also the world leader in preparing data far accessibility. Hopefully he will see sense :s
No they couldn't, not unless they changed the terms and conditions of the agreement you sign when you create a Google Documents account.

I don't think Google would be particularly interested in being on the receiving end of a class-action lawsuit from hundreds of thousands of people.

I'd trust Google more than I'd trust the civil service.

glazbagun

14,285 posts

198 months

Tuesday 7th July 2009
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I trust google more than HMG with my data. I was particularly proud of the way they told the US govt to ps off when asked for their records of certain keyword searches a few years back.

968

11,967 posts

249 months

Tuesday 7th July 2009
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Parrot of Doom said:
Silent1 said:
Cameron has suggested we store all of our medical records with google, this worries me a
seriously as google could end up using it for targeted advertising, selling to unscrupulous people and the risk of waylaying data due to theft, keep it in a security company that's not also the world leader in preparing data far accessibility. Hopefully he will see sense :s
No they couldn't, not unless they changed the terms and conditions of the agreement you sign when you create a Google Documents account.

I don't think Google would be particularly interested in being on the receiving end of a class-action lawsuit from hundreds of thousands of people.

I'd trust Google more than I'd trust the civil service.
Absolutely. I've had a play with Google health and believe me, it's far more impressive than what the NPfIT program has produced with a budget of nearly £12bn. Security is always going to be an issue, but it always amazes me how people are so cynical about data storage by companies like Google but are totally secure with their paper records in a vast hospital records department, with almost zero security, or a GP surgery that could be easily broken into.

Zod

35,295 posts

259 months

Tuesday 7th July 2009
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I am far less concerned about the possible use of Google or Microsoft than committing our records to the sink of incompetence that has been the NHS IT project.

Mr Dave

3,233 posts

196 months

Wednesday 8th July 2009
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Good plan, the man talks sense.

CoopR

957 posts

237 months

Wednesday 8th July 2009
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I would trust things like that to my local heroin dealer (or even local government!) more than I'd trust Google. The most immoral, money grabbing and arrogantly monopolistic company there has ever been.

crofty1984

15,893 posts

205 months

Wednesday 8th July 2009
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thinfourth2 said:
Silent1 said:
google could end up using it for targeted advertising, selling to unscrupulous people and the risk of waylaying data due to theft, keep it in a security company that's not also the world leader in preparing data far accessibility. Hopefully he will see sense :s
The advantage of google selling our data to unscrupulous people is you can buy shares in google and i'd trust google way more then the government
Surely you can buy shares in the Government? I put in a few hundred quid a month out of my salary. It's not like they'd just take that money and piss it up a wall is it?





...oh.

Spiritual_Beggar

4,833 posts

195 months

Wednesday 8th July 2009
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CoopR said:
I would trust things like that to my local heroin dealer (or even local government!) more than I'd trust Google. The most immoral, money grabbing and arrogantly monopolistic company there has ever been.
What? Moreso that Microsoft?


I think not wink

jimothy

5,151 posts

238 months

Wednesday 8th July 2009
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Problem is, you say Google and everyone thinks of their public search engine.

Google are superb at building vastly scalable, fast searching databases of information. If I was in charge, I'd probably get someone like Google or Amazon to build the system - they can leverage existing technology and produce something that works for a darn sight less than the £12.1 bln NHS mistake that still doesn't work and no-one wants.

If shcensoredt companies like EDS built it, it would barely work and be over budget. Need more scalability? No problem, give us a few million to investigate what we need, a few more to do this that and the other cack and before you know it you've spent hundreds of millions and it still won't scale.

Google - it'll more likely be on time and to budget, and you need to scale it up? One data centre in a shipping container turns up and is plugged in. Job done.

Marf

22,907 posts

242 months

Wednesday 8th July 2009
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thinfourth2 said:
Crusoe said:
we use the google search engine at work on our own database. Allows a google like word type search, documents are scanned by the google spider to pick up the text etc. but does not relate to google the web search engine at all. Would make sence to have a database managed by the government just with google type search engine software added on.
My question is

The google spider

Can it be trained so that when it gets left on a train is it clever enough to walk home?
hehe

Jinx

11,403 posts

261 months

Wednesday 8th July 2009
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My GP already uses google for diagnosis and treatment - may as well have my medical records online rolleyes