US Extradition Treaty - an Act of Treason
Poll: US Extradition Treaty - an Act of Treason
Total Members Polled: 132
Discussion
CommanderJameson said:
esselte said:
Jasandjules said:
A British Citizen who commits no offence under British Law whilst on British soil should face no sanction for he has violated no law.
Is "hacking" allowed in the UK? Serious question,not being sarky.
cs02rm0 said:
He just loggged into some computers on the internet with default passwords? Hardly 'hacking'. A five year old could do the same thing today. Even calling it a crime seems over the top to me.
Hacking may be too much credit, but he did go were he knew he shouldn't; his admission to such is proof enough of that.unrepentant said:
fluffnik said:
jeff m said:
The other problem is that the US has the death penalty in some states and at Federal level which can delay extradition for a long time. Now there is torture to consider, the lawyers would use that too for reasons not to allow their client to be extradited.
As an aside I don't think we should be extraditing anyone to anywhere with a death penalty.
Hackers and bankers don't get the death penalty.fluffnik said:
Jimbeaux said:
fluffnik said:
His only "crime", if such it was, was to expose the rank incompetence of the American military.
It's not like he's responsible for the deaths of countless innocents, like the treasonous twunt who signed the treaty.
I understand your need to voice your obvious disdain for all thing Yank whenever you get the chance, but come on. It's not like he's responsible for the deaths of countless innocents, like the treasonous twunt who signed the treaty.
Jimbeaux said:
I think he should be tried in the U.K., I agree with that; however, picking up litter along the road is a bit too touchy feely a punishment IMO. He may not have killed anyone this time, the crime is still the crime though.
All he did was wander around unsecured areas - I see no crime. As for wandering in unsecure areas, that is akin to someone entering and walking around your house with the excuse that the door was unlocked.Jimbeaux said:
unrepentant said:
fluffnik said:
jeff m said:
The other problem is that the US has the death penalty in some states and at Federal level which can delay extradition for a long time. Now there is torture to consider, the lawyers would use that too for reasons not to allow their client to be extradited.
As an aside I don't think we should be extraditing anyone to anywhere with a death penalty. Hackers and bankers don't get the death penalty.amsie said:
Jimbeaux said:
unrepentant said:
fluffnik said:
jeff m said:
The other problem is that the US has the death penalty in some states and at Federal level which can delay extradition for a long time. Now there is torture to consider, the lawyers would use that too for reasons not to allow their client to be extradited.
As an aside I don't think we should be extraditing anyone to anywhere with a death penalty. Hackers and bankers don't get the death penalty.Jimbeaux said:
amsie said:
Jimbeaux said:
unrepentant said:
fluffnik said:
jeff m said:
The other problem is that the US has the death penalty in some states and at Federal level which can delay extradition for a long time. Now there is torture to consider, the lawyers would use that too for reasons not to allow their client to be extradited.
As an aside I don't think we should be extraditing anyone to anywhere with a death penalty. Hackers and bankers don't get the death penalty.unrepentant said:
Jimbeaux said:
amsie said:
Jimbeaux said:
unrepentant said:
fluffnik said:
jeff m said:
The other problem is that the US has the death penalty in some states and at Federal level which can delay extradition for a long time. Now there is torture to consider, the lawyers would use that too for reasons not to allow their client to be extradited.
As an aside I don't think we should be extraditing anyone to anywhere with a death penalty. Hackers and bankers don't get the death penalty.
I think the uk justice system should be modelled on the texan one...
CommanderJameson said:
fluffnik said:
All he did was wander around unsecured areas - I see no crime.
If you leave your front door open, fluff, can I have a wander around your house? If you leave your car unlocked, can I sit in it?He wandered into the park whose gate was ajar, he did not force the lock on the groundsman's hut.
CommanderJameson said:
And anyway, he knew fine well that what he was doing was wrong. He's got a mild dose of Aspergers, which isn't anything that would convince a jury that he's got difficulty distinguishing right and wrong.
I'm not convinced he did anything wrong.The Internet is a public network, anything attached to it is, by default, public.
If you want to keep certain areas private, do what the groundsman must and fit a stout lock.
Oakey said:
Jimbeaux said:
Oakey said:
Pesty said:
He did the crime. He has admited it. Send him to teh US to face trial and if he gets time let him serve it there why should we pay for it.
But he hasn't done a crime in this country, has he?CommanderJameson said:
fluffnik said:
The Internet is a public network, anything attached to it is, by default, public
"By default"? Is that how you'd like it to be, or how it is?
Everything you do on the internet depends on your instructions being executed by other peoples machines.
Most of these machines will have either a default or no password, and most if not all of those default login/pass combos are published on the internet.
That looks public to me.
It is soooo trivial to protect areas you wish to keep private that I think it's entirely reasonable to regard any area not so secured as public.
Jimbeaux said:
fluffnik said:
Jimbeaux said:
fluffnik said:
His only "crime", if such it was, was to expose the rank incompetence of the American military.
It's not like he's responsible for the deaths of countless innocents, like the treasonous twunt who signed the treaty.
I understand your need to voice your obvious disdain for all thing Yank whenever you get the chance, but come on. It's not like he's responsible for the deaths of countless innocents, like the treasonous twunt who signed the treaty.
Jimbeaux said:
I think he should be tried in the U.K., I agree with that; however, picking up litter along the road is a bit too touchy feely a punishment IMO. He may not have killed anyone this time, the crime is still the crime though.
All he did was wander around unsecured areas - I see no crime. As for wandering in unsecure areas, that is akin to someone entering and walking around your house with the excuse that the door was unlocked.The only reason the US are pushing for extradition is because they are embarrassed at how poor their security was.
fluffnik said:
CommanderJameson said:
fluffnik said:
The Internet is a public network, anything attached to it is, by default, public
"By default"? Is that how you'd like it to be, or how it is?
Everything you do on the internet depends on your instructions being executed by other peoples machines.
Most of these machines will have either a default or no password, and most if not all of those default login/pass combos are published on the internet.
That looks public to me.
It is soooo trivial to protect areas you wish to keep private that I think it's entirely reasonable to regard any area not so secured as public.
Jimbeaux said:
fluffnik said:
All he did was wander around unsecured areas - I see no crime.
You hate imperialism? That is ironic seeing that your nation's imperial past is residually responsible for the comfortable life you lead today. I'm working on getting the Imperial Power out of my country, though I concede that there was profit in the past.
Jimbeaux said:
As for wandering in unsecure areas, that is akin to someone entering and walking around your house with the excuse that the door was unlocked.
The Internet is more like a public park than a house or car - unless it says "Keep Off the Grass" it's reasonable to wander on the grass...Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff