Banning the Burqini...
Discussion
http://www.smh.com.au/world/italian-city-bars-musl...
Basically, a western tourist is supposed to respect the underlying ethos of a medieval semi-society, sorry, strong and noble religious traditon, but the reverse is not true.
Thoughts?
Basically, a western tourist is supposed to respect the underlying ethos of a medieval semi-society, sorry, strong and noble religious traditon, but the reverse is not true.
Thoughts?
when staying in hotels in Malaysia or Indonesia you often see the rather disgusting sight of never mind a Burquini but a fully Burqua clad woman launching herself into the swiming pool .... the same one she has been wearing all day ....
Lets just say that i don't use the pool very often when travelling in these countries ...
Top Tip - find the Hotels that dont specify that their menu is Halal!
Live and let live, but some things are f'ing disgusting, like burqua'ed swimmers or beef bacon & chicken saussages for breakfast!!
Lets just say that i don't use the pool very often when travelling in these countries ...
Top Tip - find the Hotels that dont specify that their menu is Halal!
Live and let live, but some things are f'ing disgusting, like burqua'ed swimmers or beef bacon & chicken saussages for breakfast!!
XJSJohn said:
when staying in hotels in Malaysia or Indonesia you often see the rather disgusting sight of never mind a Burquini but a fully Burqua clad woman launching herself into the swiming pool .... the same one she has been wearing all day ....
Lets just say that i don't use the pool very often when travelling in these countries ...
Top Tip - find the Hotels that dont specify that their menu is Halal!
Live and let live, but some things are f'ing disgusting, like burqua'ed swimmers or beef bacon & chicken saussages for breakfast!!
I was in Abu Dhabi for work and know exactly what you mean. Ain't a good sight. Lets just say that i don't use the pool very often when travelling in these countries ...
Top Tip - find the Hotels that dont specify that their menu is Halal!
Live and let live, but some things are f'ing disgusting, like burqua'ed swimmers or beef bacon & chicken saussages for breakfast!!
I do like the non-Halal menu suggestion.
And a side note - the Burqini is an Australian invention. Makes me all proud.
Edit x 2 because me grammar is crap and stuff
Edited by Colonial on Thursday 20th August 03:51
Edited by Colonial on Thursday 20th August 03:51
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Just like to add, i have no issues with other peoples mainstream religions and the subsequent practices, (just with extreamists of all faiths) and am well aware of the differences what with living between the two largest muslim populations in the world. Generally in day to day life everything is hunky dorey, just some things (such as the burqua swimming and bloody awful beef bacon) that i disagree with, so I just avoid. At the end of the day its just the same as me eating the flesh of swine or not bowing to pray 5 times a day.
Live and let live
Just like to add, i have no issues with other peoples mainstream religions and the subsequent practices, (just with extreamists of all faiths) and am well aware of the differences what with living between the two largest muslim populations in the world. Generally in day to day life everything is hunky dorey, just some things (such as the burqua swimming and bloody awful beef bacon) that i disagree with, so I just avoid. At the end of the day its just the same as me eating the flesh of swine or not bowing to pray 5 times a day.
Live and let live
What's wrong with someone swimming in a Burqa?
Fail to see how it's that bad, I mean just think about what all the other people may have been doing before they go swimming.
Many people won't have showered, wiped themselves clean, exercised prior to swimming, done the wife up the chuff and not washed before swimming etc.
And from most of the Burqa clad women I have seen, it's to protect our eyes from looking at a rather unsightly, overweight, hairy woman that looks like the Spanish Infanta from Blackadder.
Fail to see how it's that bad, I mean just think about what all the other people may have been doing before they go swimming.
Many people won't have showered, wiped themselves clean, exercised prior to swimming, done the wife up the chuff and not washed before swimming etc.
And from most of the Burqa clad women I have seen, it's to protect our eyes from looking at a rather unsightly, overweight, hairy woman that looks like the Spanish Infanta from Blackadder.
In all honesty I can see both the pros and cons. I just felt like fanning the flames with a hyperbole filled first post.
It strikes me that it is a highly oppressive garment, despite all the crys of how liberating it is from professional left wingers (I know, I used to be one of them), and the use of it strikes a blow against the ethos of a secular society which is something I strongly believe in. Yet it is also a choice of personal liberty for the wearer (although that is arguable given the overarching patriachal nature of the society) so really I'm in a quandry.
I lean on the side of the equality arguement though. Once it is fine for western women to wear a bikini in Saudi Arabia then these can be allowed
It strikes me that it is a highly oppressive garment, despite all the crys of how liberating it is from professional left wingers (I know, I used to be one of them), and the use of it strikes a blow against the ethos of a secular society which is something I strongly believe in. Yet it is also a choice of personal liberty for the wearer (although that is arguable given the overarching patriachal nature of the society) so really I'm in a quandry.
I lean on the side of the equality arguement though. Once it is fine for western women to wear a bikini in Saudi Arabia then these can be allowed
thehawk said:
What's wrong with someone swimming in a Burqa?
It needs to be experianced .... lets just say that your clothes are probably not that clean after a day of wandering about downtown Jakarta, never mind having been wrapped up in a long garment that has been dragging along the floor .... Again, just my opinion though.
The Georgian Bathing Machine.
This is the extent to which Western women used to go to maintain "modesty":
A rolling beach hut to get them into the sea so they could walk out in a long dress like thing and no-one got the chance to see their legs.
Not so long ago in Britain.
To be honest I have no problem with muslim women want to wear a "modest" swimsuit. They can do it in muslim countries, they can do it in Western countries for all I care.
I even don't have a problem with muslim countries enforcing a "modest" dress code at their swimming pools. After all - WE DO. Try swimming naked and see how far you get - "outrage to public decency" or some such thing.
I even don't mind if, right here in the UK, some muslim people buy swimming pools (and gyms!) and enforce a dress code of their choosing - after all I won't go there.
What's wrong is when UK public facilities publicly funded decide to enforce a dress code, or deny a sex access at any time. Don't care if they think they're catering to muslims. All they are doing is denying access to the people who are funding the facility.
And THAT is plain wrong.
This is the extent to which Western women used to go to maintain "modesty":
A rolling beach hut to get them into the sea so they could walk out in a long dress like thing and no-one got the chance to see their legs.
Not so long ago in Britain.
To be honest I have no problem with muslim women want to wear a "modest" swimsuit. They can do it in muslim countries, they can do it in Western countries for all I care.
I even don't have a problem with muslim countries enforcing a "modest" dress code at their swimming pools. After all - WE DO. Try swimming naked and see how far you get - "outrage to public decency" or some such thing.
I even don't mind if, right here in the UK, some muslim people buy swimming pools (and gyms!) and enforce a dress code of their choosing - after all I won't go there.
What's wrong is when UK public facilities publicly funded decide to enforce a dress code, or deny a sex access at any time. Don't care if they think they're catering to muslims. All they are doing is denying access to the people who are funding the facility.
And THAT is plain wrong.
The Article said:
The Australian creator of the birqini swimsuit said last week that the French did not want Muslims to integrate.
Surely it's the opposite? Integration isn't that one side always makes allowances for the other is it? Wearing such a thing more segregation than integration?Chicken sausages are just about edible but beef bacon is just not nice.
I did have a bacon cheeseburger in a hotel in Penang, the beef bacon on a beef burger was a tad pointless.
Oh how I rejoiced when I found a bar up the road that actually had bacon...proper bacon....oh joy
Oh and Burkini's no real problem with.
Swimmin in a burkha, yeah thats just nasty.
I did have a bacon cheeseburger in a hotel in Penang, the beef bacon on a beef burger was a tad pointless.
Oh how I rejoiced when I found a bar up the road that actually had bacon...proper bacon....oh joy
Oh and Burkini's no real problem with.
Swimmin in a burkha, yeah thats just nasty.
Burqinis are mandatory for even non muslims in some UK swimming pools
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politic...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politic...
Telegraph said:
British swimming pools are imposing Muslim dress codes in a move described as divisive by Labour MPs. UK councils running restricted swimming session for Muslims. Under the rules, swimmers – including non-Muslims – are barred from entering the pool in normal swimming attire. Instead they are told that they must comply with the "modest" code of dress required by Islamic custom, with women covered from the neck to the ankles and men, who swim separately, covered from the navel to the knees...
Croydon council in south London runs separate one-and-a half-hour swimming sessions for Muslim men and women every Saturday and Sunday at Thornton Heath Leisure Centre.
Swimmers were told last week on the centre's website that "during special Muslim sessions male costumes must cover the body from the navel to the knee and females must be covered from the neck to the ankles and wrists"
There are similar rules at Shorpe Leisure Centre, in North Lincolnshire, where "users must follow the required dress code for this session (T-shirts and shorts/leggings that cover below the knee)"...
Shorpe sounds about right Croydon council in south London runs separate one-and-a half-hour swimming sessions for Muslim men and women every Saturday and Sunday at Thornton Heath Leisure Centre.
Swimmers were told last week on the centre's website that "during special Muslim sessions male costumes must cover the body from the navel to the knee and females must be covered from the neck to the ankles and wrists"
There are similar rules at Shorpe Leisure Centre, in North Lincolnshire, where "users must follow the required dress code for this session (T-shirts and shorts/leggings that cover below the knee)"...
My work colleague in Italy told me that there is quite a backlash after the left were more open with immigration, something the majority didn't want, and is one of the reasons most of the regions have now voted in right leaning parties. Trouble is, they now have laws in some cities that prohibit foreign food and restaurants - they MUST be Italian (a bit like if Birmingham was told it could only have fish and chip shops)
I am told that the anti foreign policies now embraced by the (seemingly) majority are the result of the left's tinkering with deeply entrenched Italian culture - turning some cities into quasi fascist run councils - if the left didn't mess with their culture so much, this would never have happened. (I always find modern Italian attitudes ironic, as their ancient empire of Rome was built upon multi culturism and embraced any one from any country)
Bit of a pain for me, as I spend almost half my time in Italy, and I love Indian and Chinese food!
I am told that the anti foreign policies now embraced by the (seemingly) majority are the result of the left's tinkering with deeply entrenched Italian culture - turning some cities into quasi fascist run councils - if the left didn't mess with their culture so much, this would never have happened. (I always find modern Italian attitudes ironic, as their ancient empire of Rome was built upon multi culturism and embraced any one from any country)
Bit of a pain for me, as I spend almost half my time in Italy, and I love Indian and Chinese food!
Burqinis would never be allowed here in Germany, as even us normal folk are not allowed any baggy swimwear whatsoever. Shorts type trunks have been banned for years. It's speedos or nowt (nude) here (not flattering to my paunch!) and you'll be checked as to whether you've showered or not before entering the baths area proper.
JMGS4 said:
Burqinis would never be allowed here in Germany, as even us normal folk are not allowed any baggy swimwear whatsoever. Shorts type trunks have been banned for years. It's speedos or nowt (nude) here (not flattering to my paunch!) and you'll be checked as to whether you've showered or not before entering the baths area proper.
scratch n sniff test? Colonial said:
JMGS4 said:
Burqinis would never be allowed here in Germany, as even us normal folk are not allowed any baggy swimwear whatsoever. Shorts type trunks have been banned for years. It's speedos or nowt (nude) here (not flattering to my paunch!) and you'll be checked as to whether you've showered or not before entering the baths area proper.
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