Banning the Burqini...
Discussion
Jasandjules said:
Without reading the French law, what exactly is wrong with the way the lady is dressed? Once I've been on a beach a few times, I will wear long shorts, t-shirt, hat etc to avoid over exposure to the sun. How is that any different to her?
The local French officials and law makers are taking advantage of the security situation to impose laws that suit their purposes under false pretences of health and safety.....Internet article said:
Fines have been imposed on women wearing burkinis in the southern French town of Cannes.
A ban on the swimwear - popular with some Muslim women because they entirely cover the body – was controversially introduced earlier in August.
The three women, aged from 29 to 57, were with their children at the beach when police officers intervened over the offending garments.
French PM backs burkini bans as three more towns consider similar move
Four of the women were fined €38 (£33) while all were given warnings and told to leave the area, Le Parisien reported.
“They are young mothers or grandmothers, and they do not believe they are criminals,” a local council source told the website. “All were very upset at the way they were treated.”
Mayor David Lisnard, caused uproar among Muslim groups by making Cannes the first resort town to impose a ban on the full-body swimsuits. He said: “I took this decision among several other rulings to make sure my city is safe in the context of the state of emergency.”
Mr Lisnard's ruling was challenged, but later upheld in court. A judge said the rule was legal under French law which prohibits people “invoking their religious beliefs to skirt common rules regulating relations between public authorities and private individuals”.
The judge put the ban "in the context of the state of emergency and recent Islamist attacks, notably in Nice a month ago".
Cannes is less than 20 miles from Nice, where Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel ploughed a lorry into a crowd which had gathered to watch Bastille Day fireworks, killing 85 people.
Another resort town close to Nice, Villeneuve-Loubet, also banned burkinis on beaches. A newly introduced by-law ruled only clothing that “is respectful to morality and secular principles, and in compliance with hygiene and safety rules” is allowed.
Only by allowing the burkini will we foster tolerance
Middle-aged white men like me have no right to tell women not to wear the burkini
The burkini ban is misogynistic – and Western feminists are turning a blind eye
Mayor Lionnel Luca said the prohibition of the garments was for sanitary reasons. “I was told that there was a couple on one of our beaches where the wife was swimming fully dressed, and I considered that unacceptable for hygienic reasons and unwelcome given the general situation,” he told AFP news agency.
“In France, one does not come to the beach dressed to display one’s religious convictions, especially as they are false convictions that the religion does not demand.”
France has imposed a controversial ban on full-face veils since 2004.
A ban on the swimwear - popular with some Muslim women because they entirely cover the body – was controversially introduced earlier in August.
The three women, aged from 29 to 57, were with their children at the beach when police officers intervened over the offending garments.
French PM backs burkini bans as three more towns consider similar move
Four of the women were fined €38 (£33) while all were given warnings and told to leave the area, Le Parisien reported.
“They are young mothers or grandmothers, and they do not believe they are criminals,” a local council source told the website. “All were very upset at the way they were treated.”
Mayor David Lisnard, caused uproar among Muslim groups by making Cannes the first resort town to impose a ban on the full-body swimsuits. He said: “I took this decision among several other rulings to make sure my city is safe in the context of the state of emergency.”
Mr Lisnard's ruling was challenged, but later upheld in court. A judge said the rule was legal under French law which prohibits people “invoking their religious beliefs to skirt common rules regulating relations between public authorities and private individuals”.
The judge put the ban "in the context of the state of emergency and recent Islamist attacks, notably in Nice a month ago".
Cannes is less than 20 miles from Nice, where Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel ploughed a lorry into a crowd which had gathered to watch Bastille Day fireworks, killing 85 people.
Another resort town close to Nice, Villeneuve-Loubet, also banned burkinis on beaches. A newly introduced by-law ruled only clothing that “is respectful to morality and secular principles, and in compliance with hygiene and safety rules” is allowed.
Only by allowing the burkini will we foster tolerance
Middle-aged white men like me have no right to tell women not to wear the burkini
The burkini ban is misogynistic – and Western feminists are turning a blind eye
Mayor Lionnel Luca said the prohibition of the garments was for sanitary reasons. “I was told that there was a couple on one of our beaches where the wife was swimming fully dressed, and I considered that unacceptable for hygienic reasons and unwelcome given the general situation,” he told AFP news agency.
“In France, one does not come to the beach dressed to display one’s religious convictions, especially as they are false convictions that the religion does not demand.”
France has imposed a controversial ban on full-face veils since 2004.
Mothersruin said:
I think the French have had enough because being accommodating has got them nowhere.
I can agree that this would seem to be a very visual example and perhaps not exactly where they should be focusing, but I suppose it's to reassure, as best they can, other French people who are very scared of elements within their country that wish them harm.
But I'm old fashioned. Among other things, I think kids should be quiet, well behaved and respectful of their elders. I think jail should be a punishment and not a theme park for criminals. I also think when trust is broken, whoever is placed firmly on the naughty step until they can prove that it's not going to happen again, then they can join back in.
Sorry about that.
All well and good, but what's that got to do with the woman on the beach?I can agree that this would seem to be a very visual example and perhaps not exactly where they should be focusing, but I suppose it's to reassure, as best they can, other French people who are very scared of elements within their country that wish them harm.
But I'm old fashioned. Among other things, I think kids should be quiet, well behaved and respectful of their elders. I think jail should be a punishment and not a theme park for criminals. I also think when trust is broken, whoever is placed firmly on the naughty step until they can prove that it's not going to happen again, then they can join back in.
Sorry about that.
desolate said:
Mothersruin said:
I think the French have had enough because being accommodating has got them nowhere.
I can agree that this would seem to be a very visual example and perhaps not exactly where they should be focusing, but I suppose it's to reassure, as best they can, other French people who are very scared of elements within their country that wish them harm.
But I'm old fashioned. Among other things, I think kids should be quiet, well behaved and respectful of their elders. I think jail should be a punishment and not a theme park for criminals. I also think when trust is broken, whoever is placed firmly on the naughty step until they can prove that it's not going to happen again, then they can join back in.
Sorry about that.
All well and good, but what's that got to do with the woman on the beach?I can agree that this would seem to be a very visual example and perhaps not exactly where they should be focusing, but I suppose it's to reassure, as best they can, other French people who are very scared of elements within their country that wish them harm.
But I'm old fashioned. Among other things, I think kids should be quiet, well behaved and respectful of their elders. I think jail should be a punishment and not a theme park for criminals. I also think when trust is broken, whoever is placed firmly on the naughty step until they can prove that it's not going to happen again, then they can join back in.
Sorry about that.
She happens to be wearing it - plus it's illegal - that's probably not her fault, it's not the fault of those that are scared either.
Halmyre said:
Someone has pointed out that using the expression 'modesty' in relation to wearing the burqini automatically implies that any other sort of beach wear is 'immodest', with all the unpleasant connotations that that implies.
Would that 'someone' be trying to stir up trouble? I could say I wear baggy beach shorts to protect my 'modesty' rather than wearing budgie smugglers..Mothersruin said:
The French people are scared of religious and cultural uniforms and indicators that represent a way of thinking that they deem to want them harmed.
She happens to be wearing it - plus it's illegal - that's probably not her fault, it's not the fault of those that are scared either.
I just can't see what the "it" is she is wearing.She happens to be wearing it - plus it's illegal - that's probably not her fault, it's not the fault of those that are scared either.
Looks like a pair of leggings, a dress and a Hilda Ogden style headscarfe.
My wife would wear similar of an evening in Portugal.
Governments need to be better than producing s
tty, knee jerk laws such as this.rscott said:
Halmyre said:
Someone has pointed out that using the expression 'modesty' in relation to wearing the burqini automatically implies that any other sort of beach wear is 'immodest', with all the unpleasant connotations that that implies.
Would that 'someone' be trying to stir up trouble? I could say I wear baggy beach shorts to protect my 'modesty' rather than wearing budgie smugglers..
JMGS4 said:
Burqinis would never be allowed here in Germany, as even us normal folk are not allowed any baggy swimwear whatsoever. Shorts type trunks have been banned for years. It's speedos or nowt (nude) here (not flattering to my paunch!) and you'll be checked as to whether you've showered or not before entering the baths area proper.
Same in Finland , speedos only .Jasandjules said:
Without reading the French law, what exactly is wrong with the way the lady is dressed? Once I've been on a beach a few times, I will wear long shorts, t-shirt, hat etc to avoid over exposure to the sun. How is that any different to her?
Nothing wrong with the way she is dressed IMO.Given all that has happened in France many seem to be turning against any visible manifestation of the Islamic faith.
JMGS4 said:
Burqinis would never be allowed here in Germany, as even us normal folk are not allowed any baggy swimwear whatsoever. Shorts type trunks have been banned for years. It's speedos or nowt (nude) here (not flattering to my paunch!) and you'll be checked as to whether you've showered or not before entering the baths area proper.
If they're not "allowed" why are they being banned? 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3634754/Ge...
superkartracer said:
JMGS4 said:
Burqinis would never be allowed here in Germany, as even us normal folk are not allowed any baggy swimwear whatsoever. Shorts type trunks have been banned for years. It's speedos or nowt (nude) here (not flattering to my paunch!) and you'll be checked as to whether you've showered or not before entering the baths area proper.
Same in Finland , speedos only .On the subject of Speedos, why do people object to them? Do people object to blokes wearing them for sporting events too?
superkartracer said:
JMGS4 said:
Burqinis would never be allowed here in Germany, as even us normal folk are not allowed any baggy swimwear whatsoever. Shorts type trunks have been banned for years. It's speedos or nowt (nude) here (not flattering to my paunch!) and you'll be checked as to whether you've showered or not before entering the baths area proper.
Same in Finland , speedos only .This is a beach
Driller said:
superkartracer said:
JMGS4 said:
Burqinis would never be allowed here in Germany, as even us normal folk are not allowed any baggy swimwear whatsoever. Shorts type trunks have been banned for years. It's speedos or nowt (nude) here (not flattering to my paunch!) and you'll be checked as to whether you've showered or not before entering the baths area proper.
Same in Finland , speedos only .On the subject of Speedos, why do people object to them? Do people object to blokes wearing them for sporting events too?
Driller said:
On the subject of Speedos, why do people object to them? Do people object to blokes wearing them for sporting events too?
Becuase typically the kind of people that wear them on holiday are obese Russians who are happy to walk around bars/restaurants causing other guests to get sick in their mouths. So rules on baggy clothing such as 'board shorts' exist in many countries, however this covers swimming pools and the like. I don't believe any such rule covers swimming in the sea.
Additionally. She's having a lie down on the beach. She isn't in the water swimming and as far as I'm aware was not at any time in the water. She indeed looks like someone unprepared for swimming. I see no towel etc. she's having a lie down in the sun.
Charges that this is a hygiene/health risk are bogus peddled by people with an agenda..
Additionally. She's having a lie down on the beach. She isn't in the water swimming and as far as I'm aware was not at any time in the water. She indeed looks like someone unprepared for swimming. I see no towel etc. she's having a lie down in the sun.
Charges that this is a hygiene/health risk are bogus peddled by people with an agenda..
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