UK file-sharers will be 'cut off'

[Mr Whippy]

Yep, once the mass-market for it moves away from the internet, it'll be your mate Dave who is into the internet ftp/newsgroups stuff down the pub with a 32gig memory stick FULL of music that they lend around all their mates + kids.

Just like it used to be with films/music on copied CD/DVD... except now with mass-storage devices the volumes and detectability will mean it's even easier/cheaper to do!


There is no way to stop copying. The only thing you can do is encourage the borderline people to step to the buyer side rather than the copier side, but because they DO have options to get it free no matter what laws/DRM they use, the only solution is a carrot rather than a stick!

Dave

[Scraggles]

+1 to encrypted usenet, got a 150 gb account on a use it when you want to basis, that costs £13 approx

tend to find p2p does not have the music I like and little chance of hmv stocking it either, so it is easier to find elsewhere:}

[bonsai]

Scraggles said:

+1 to encrypted usenet, got a 150 gb account on a use it when you want to basis, that costs £13 approx

tend to find p2p does not have the music I like and little chance of hmv stocking it either, so it is easier to find elsewhere:}

I used usenet for a while, it's pretty good for new stuff, but I was always finding that if I was after a game or a film that had been released more than a year ago then it wouldn't be on newsgroups.

Is there more choice nowadays? I understand retention has been increased by a number of providers.

[Frankeh]

Mr Whippy said:

The only thing you can do is encourage the borderline people to step to the buyer side rather than the copier side

Hammer, meet the nails head. Get acquainted.

[ln1234]

bonsai said:

Scraggles said:

+1 to encrypted usenet, got a 150 gb account on a use it when you want to basis, that costs £13 approx

tend to find p2p does not have the music I like and little chance of hmv stocking it either, so it is easier to find elsewhere:}

I used usenet for a while, it's pretty good for new stuff, but I was always finding that if I was after a game or a film that had been released more than a year ago then it wouldn't be on newsgroups.

Is there more choice nowadays? I understand retention has been increased by a number of providers.

Giganews say they have 600 days retention now. Out of curiosity, why don't any of the big record / movie companies go after the usenet providers?

[Frankeh]

ln1234 said:

bonsai said:

Scraggles said:

+1 to encrypted usenet, got a 150 gb account on a use it when you want to basis, that costs £13 approx

tend to find p2p does not have the music I like and little chance of hmv stocking it either, so it is easier to find elsewhere:}

I used usenet for a while, it's pretty good for new stuff, but I was always finding that if I was after a game or a film that had been released more than a year ago then it wouldn't be on newsgroups.

Is there more choice nowadays? I understand retention has been increased by a number of providers.

Giganews say they have 600 days retention now. Out of curiosity, why don't any of the big record / movie companies go after the usenet providers?

Because amazingly it's still underground after all these years.

Shhhhh.

[fluffnik]

tinman0 said:

If I send you a copy of an mp3, it's not simulated. You have the real thing in your possession, and you get the benefits of the contents of that file without having to pay for it!!!

Except that an mp3 is just a quotation from the recorded work, not the whole thing...

[Scraggles]

Guam said:

That and the fact that they are all text files, in essence the DOWNLOADER has to rebuild the files at THEIR end, the act of doing that would be a technically complex thing to prosecute at the News server end.

They can argue they dont have any IP directly stored with them they have a series of text files uploaded anonymously (and often encrypted) that they dont inspect.

The P2P stuff is an actual music file that requires no input or action to play straight after download.

I guess that is what keeps them out of the legal fray (speculation).

when someone is on p2p, their IP address is visible, unless say using a seedbox or vpn, then it is different, the uploaders and downloaders are all visible

on usenet, only the uploader is at risk of getting caught and most know how not to do so with anon remailers

newzbin recently lost a case due to publicising about all the music u could download...