Public servants who earn more than PM to explain themselves

Public servants who earn more than PM to explain themselves

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Puggit

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48,475 posts

249 months

Tuesday 6th October 2009
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Sky News

Sky News said:
A Conservative government would cut Whitehall spending by one third over the next Parliament and any public servant with a salary higher than the Prime Minister will have to explain his or her reasons to the Chancellor.
Ouch! eek

(damn well needed though!)

shirt

22,609 posts

202 months

Tuesday 6th October 2009
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not that i agree with the wages but how about 'I won't earn £100k a time for a speech when I retire.'

madala

5,063 posts

199 months

Tuesday 6th October 2009
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....public sector reforms are must if we are to get out of this deep hole.....the gravy train has to be stopped.

Chris_w666

22,655 posts

200 months

Tuesday 6th October 2009
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So the tories have just driven a huge proportion of the voters who actually turnout straight back to labour.

Puggit

Original Poster:

48,475 posts

249 months

Tuesday 6th October 2009
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Chris_w666 said:
So the tories have just driven a huge proportion of the voters who actually turnout straight back to labour.
You have heard of the saying "Turkeys don't vote for Christmas" ?

Gargamel

14,997 posts

262 months

Tuesday 6th October 2009
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Chris_w666 said:
So the tories have just driven a huge proportion of the voters who actually turnout straight back to labour.
Er how exactly ?

How many Public Sevants earn more than £125,000 ?

Gordon annouced a pay freeze for many thousands of low paid front line staff - Prison Workers etc but you are worried about less than a thousand odd people earning big bucks

Its a strange world.

Fittster

20,120 posts

214 months

Tuesday 6th October 2009
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madala said:
....public sector reforms are must if we are to get out of this deep hole.....the gravy train has to be stopped.
So why no reduction in the number of public sector employees?

Chris_w666

22,655 posts

200 months

Tuesday 6th October 2009
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Gargamel said:
Chris_w666 said:
So the tories have just driven a huge proportion of the voters who actually turnout straight back to labour.
Er how exactly ?

How many Public Sevants earn more than £125,000 ?

Gordon annouced a pay freeze for many thousands of low paid front line staff - Prison Workers etc but you are worried about less than a thousand odd people earning big bucks

Its a strange world.
The article linked says a pay freeze for anyone on over £18,000 per annum. There are an awful lot of public servants that fall into that bracket.

Einion Yrth

19,575 posts

245 months

Tuesday 6th October 2009
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Chris_w666 said:
Gargamel said:
Chris_w666 said:
So the tories have just driven a huge proportion of the voters who actually turnout straight back to labour.
Er how exactly ?

How many Public Sevants earn more than £125,000 ?

Gordon annouced a pay freeze for many thousands of low paid front line staff - Prison Workers etc but you are worried about less than a thousand odd people earning big bucks

Its a strange world.
The article linked says a pay freeze for anyone on over £18,000 per annum. There are an awful lot of public servants that fall into that bracket.
My heart bleeds, I've had to take a significant cut in the hope of keeping the company afloat.

Chris_w666

22,655 posts

200 months

Tuesday 6th October 2009
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Einion Yrth said:
Chris_w666 said:
Gargamel said:
Chris_w666 said:
So the tories have just driven a huge proportion of the voters who actually turnout straight back to labour.
Er how exactly ?

How many Public Sevants earn more than £125,000 ?

Gordon annouced a pay freeze for many thousands of low paid front line staff - Prison Workers etc but you are worried about less than a thousand odd people earning big bucks

Its a strange world.
The article linked says a pay freeze for anyone on over £18,000 per annum. There are an awful lot of public servants that fall into that bracket.
My heart bleeds, I've had to take a significant cut in the hope of keeping the company afloat.
I was refering to the people that will vote for labour again in the hope it keeps them in the manner they are used to and will not vote for a pay freeze.

I have taken a pay cut to help us keep employees as have a couple of other people here. We have also taken on extra responsibility to save replacing staff that left. Compared to my LA who have been actively creating management roles to protect staff from redundancies.

elster

17,517 posts

211 months

Tuesday 6th October 2009
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Chris_w666 said:
Einion Yrth said:
Chris_w666 said:
Gargamel said:
Chris_w666 said:
So the tories have just driven a huge proportion of the voters who actually turnout straight back to labour.
Er how exactly ?

How many Public Sevants earn more than £125,000 ?

Gordon annouced a pay freeze for many thousands of low paid front line staff - Prison Workers etc but you are worried about less than a thousand odd people earning big bucks

Its a strange world.
The article linked says a pay freeze for anyone on over £18,000 per annum. There are an awful lot of public servants that fall into that bracket.
My heart bleeds, I've had to take a significant cut in the hope of keeping the company afloat.
I was refering to the people that will vote for labour again in the hope it keeps them in the manner they are used to and will not vote for a pay freeze.

I have taken a pay cut to help us keep employees as have a couple of other people here. We have also taken on extra responsibility to save replacing staff that left. Compared to my LA who have been actively creating management roles to protect staff from redundancies.
Didn't Darling announce the pay freeze as well though?

Gargamel

14,997 posts

262 months

Tuesday 6th October 2009
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Ah sorry, I hadn't read osbournes speech when I posted that. You are rightt, but many public sector workers wouldn't have voted for them anyway.

I think most sane people recognise we cannot go on spending and borrowing like we have. The Conservatives appear to be trying to de toxify politics by telling people upfront what needs to be done.

Unlike Labour with the 'not a penny on income tax' swindle or the 'We are committed to a referendum on Lisbon' lies.


Don

28,377 posts

285 months

Tuesday 6th October 2009
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elster said:
Didn't Darling announce the pay freeze as well though?
Yep. There will be a pay freeze regardless.

The number of public servants on big money may well run into the thousands. Irrelevant in terms of their votes I'd have said. Also it's just a soundbite. Those people, because they are so few, don't cost the millions that the large number of middlingly paid public workers do.

To save money the majority will need to "suffer" a bit. They should consider themselves lucky they still have employment, sadly, as to really save enough cash numbers of these people will have to be made redundant.

They will then cost in unemployment benefits - but these will be lower - AND in due course the Private sector should be able to soak them up as the economy finally improves. Which it may not for a while it has to be said...

Be in no doubt. The Private Sector is in considerable pain and has been for some time. It's gone on long enough to affect tax receipts to the point that the public sector will have no choice but to downsize.

Battenburg Bob

8,689 posts

193 months

Tuesday 6th October 2009
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I can only speak for the Police, but I don't know one single person that would vote for the shower that currently inhabit our Government.

The Tories don't particularly appeal either (more so because of CMDs insistence on maintaining overseas aid and 'green' taxes), but I think voting for anybody else reduces the chance of getting Labour out!

Spiritual_Beggar

4,833 posts

195 months

Tuesday 6th October 2009
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At what point can we start to call this 'lie on an EU Referendum' fraud?


It can't go on like this! We can't have unkept promises!! These people get voted in on the strength of their policies and promises, so to turn around and not do what they said they would do is not on.

It's like in business; If a company gets a job on back of promising this and that, then they are obliged to uphold those promises, or have the job terminated!!!

Same applies here IMO.

Prof Beard

6,669 posts

228 months

Tuesday 6th October 2009
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Are Vice-Chancellors "public servants"? - they nearly all earn more than the Prime Minister I believe. Mind you asking them to explain themselves would not be an exercise for the faint-hearted - most would happily discuss it for weeks....

plasticpig

12,932 posts

226 months

Tuesday 6th October 2009
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Lots of bank employees will be in for a bit of surprise then. RBS and Lloyds employees are classified as public sector workers.

unrepentant

21,272 posts

257 months

Tuesday 6th October 2009
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I want to be a fly on the wall when he pulls that nob Adam Crozier in for a chat.

"Right Mr Crozier. The Post Office. Inefficiently run, terrible service, poor morale, strikes etc... You earn more than 5 times the salary of the Prime Minister. Justify yourself".

tank slapper

7,949 posts

284 months

Tuesday 6th October 2009
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shirt said:
not that i agree with the wages but how about 'I won't earn £100k a time for a speech when I retire.'
The is totally irrelevent. What someone does once they are out of office to earn their money is of no consequence. If ex-politicians can find people dumb enough to pay £100k for a speech, then good luck to them. Their behaviour while in office is of far more consequence.

Spiritual_Beggar

4,833 posts

195 months

Tuesday 6th October 2009
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unrepentant said:
I want to be a fly on the wall when he pulls that nob Adam Crozier in for a chat.

"Right Mr Crozier. The Post Office. Inefficiently run, terrible service, poor morale, strikes etc... You earn more than 5 times the salary of the Prime Minister. Justify yourself".
I mean,

How do you go from running the 'Football Association' to running the 'Rotal Mail'!? Shirley there are people with a bit more experience in the require field of business.

What experience has Crozier learnt at the FA which makes him more qualified than others out there?

I was really surprised when they first announced it....and I'm still surprised.