WORK ANOTHER YEAR?
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Is it just me?
How much more of this drivel do we have to endure from these lying politicians?
They reckon that we have to work another year of our lives before we are entitled to the drippings presented as reward for a LIFETIME of toil (well for some of us) called a pension.
The banks have recieved billions with no restraint or condition.
The man in the street is reduced to NO disposable income because he is stealth taxed to death fined for everything you can think of and ripped off by every utility company and government office!
Also we have to come,
VAT back to where it was,
Stamp duty ditto,
Sky high fuel,
Sky high elecric and gas,
Do the government not see that Joe public is not able to spend (or give in tax)any more beacause he has no more ? So conversly if a government get it right at some point in the next decade or two and we start earning again will we get our year back I think not.
As for this car scrappage the hypocriscy here kills me encouriging people to get into more debt buying new cars they cant afford getting people in more debt falling for the "too good to be true buy now before the deal ends" crap you would expect to hear a street trader come out with just to line their coffers with tax...never mind encouriging the very borrow and borrow more syndrome they say we must stop.
How much will a family loose on a new car as they drive it off the forecourt ? Let alone the likelyhood they wont make the final payments on their loan due to overspending or redundancy ect (the figures for this alone are scary)
We need buissiness to work ,for buisness to work people must have money to spend and unfortunately middle England hasnt got any!....sorry rant over
How much more of this drivel do we have to endure from these lying politicians?
They reckon that we have to work another year of our lives before we are entitled to the drippings presented as reward for a LIFETIME of toil (well for some of us) called a pension.
The banks have recieved billions with no restraint or condition.
The man in the street is reduced to NO disposable income because he is stealth taxed to death fined for everything you can think of and ripped off by every utility company and government office!
Also we have to come,
VAT back to where it was,
Stamp duty ditto,
Sky high fuel,
Sky high elecric and gas,
Do the government not see that Joe public is not able to spend (or give in tax)any more beacause he has no more ? So conversly if a government get it right at some point in the next decade or two and we start earning again will we get our year back I think not.
As for this car scrappage the hypocriscy here kills me encouriging people to get into more debt buying new cars they cant afford getting people in more debt falling for the "too good to be true buy now before the deal ends" crap you would expect to hear a street trader come out with just to line their coffers with tax...never mind encouriging the very borrow and borrow more syndrome they say we must stop.
How much will a family loose on a new car as they drive it off the forecourt ? Let alone the likelyhood they wont make the final payments on their loan due to overspending or redundancy ect (the figures for this alone are scary)
We need buissiness to work ,for buisness to work people must have money to spend and unfortunately middle England hasnt got any!....sorry rant over
Have you been living in a cave? Did you really think you'll be able to get a state pension at 65? (unless you're close to that now of course...).
Also, remember this is the official retirement age - there is nothing to stop you saving up and retiring early. You just won't get their part of the pension.
Also, remember this is the official retirement age - there is nothing to stop you saving up and retiring early. You just won't get their part of the pension.
Targarama said:
Have you been living in a cave? Did you really think you'll be able to get a state pension at 65? (unless you're close to that now of course...).
Also, remember this is the official retirement age - there is nothing to stop you saving up and retiring early. You just won't get their part of the pension.
Also, remember this is the official retirement age - there is nothing to stop you saving up and retiring early. You just won't get their part of the pension.
If you can't afford to retire after working for 40+ years something has gone wrong somewhere.
Edited by Dr_Gonzo on Wednesday 7th October 12:39
Targarama said:
Have you been living in a cave? Did you really think you'll be able to get a state pension at 65? (unless you're close to that now of course...).
Also, remember this is the official retirement age - there is nothing to stop you saving up and retiring early. You just won't get their part of the pension.
Fair reply it (the state pension) doesnt really help anyone much especially me but just as a sum most of havent half given the goverment a lot of money over the years,my post reading it back isnt clear my fustration is rather the hypocrasiy shown by giving the banks squillions immediately and then telling the public that the 50p a day the pension will be worth isnt going to be forthcoming for another year!Also, remember this is the official retirement age - there is nothing to stop you saving up and retiring early. You just won't get their part of the pension.
Without being petty it really is immoral!
Edited by gary11 on Wednesday 7th October 12:42
gary11 said:
Targarama said:
Have you been living in a cave? Did you really think you'll be able to get a state pension at 65? (unless you're close to that now of course...).
Also, remember this is the official retirement age - there is nothing to stop you saving up and retiring early. You just won't get their part of the pension.
Fair reply it (the state pension) doesnt really help anyone much especially me but just as a sum most of havent half given the goverment a lot of money over the years,my post reading it back isnt clear my fustration is rather the hypocrasiy shown by giving the banks squillions immediately and the telling the public that the 50p a day the pension will be worth isnt going to be forthcoming for another year!Also, remember this is the official retirement age - there is nothing to stop you saving up and retiring early. You just won't get their part of the pension.
Without being petty it really is immoral!
I'm not entirely clear on what you want. You seem to wish to pay less in taxes, but also to receive more in public benefits. Does this indicate you wish the public borrowing deficit to rise even further than its current level? How do you think that should be repaid?
Currently, there are 4 working people in the UK supporting each pensioner. Soon, there will be only 2. How do you think the state pension should be funded?
Currently, there are 4 working people in the UK supporting each pensioner. Soon, there will be only 2. How do you think the state pension should be funded?
gary11 said:
Podie said:
Wish it was so s
t I had a Porsche...
her her f**k O** I work hard and have paid my taxes any way its only an old one almost scrappage!t I had a Porsche...Your original post indicates that you're expecting a state pension - is this really the case, or have you opened a private pension as well?
[quote=Gaspode]I'm not entirely clear on what you want. You seem to wish to pay less in taxes, but also to receive more in public benefits. Does this indicate you wish the public borrowing deficit to rise even further than its current level? How do you think that should be repaid?
Currently, there are 4 working people in the UK supporting each pensioner. Soon, there will be only 2. How do you think the state pension should be funded?
Not from people that have ALREADY earned theirs!
Who is to blame for this surley we cant ask them?
its only a deficit beacause IMO there is no tax being paid by buisness as you have to earn a profit to do that!
Currently, there are 4 working people in the UK supporting each pensioner. Soon, there will be only 2. How do you think the state pension should be funded?
Not from people that have ALREADY earned theirs!
Who is to blame for this surley we cant ask them?
its only a deficit beacause IMO there is no tax being paid by buisness as you have to earn a profit to do that!
Edited by gary11 on Wednesday 7th October 12:55
Only 66?
I doubt it.
In 20-30 years time, we will be looking towards a core of working people to keep the country going.
These are the same, whose major aspirations include:
Yep, these people. The same, who toss a mental coin to decide whether or not to get up for a poo, or let go in their pants.
Not a chance.
Retirement roulette!
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I doubt it.
In 20-30 years time, we will be looking towards a core of working people to keep the country going.
These are the same, whose major aspirations include:
- spend a third of their day on the sofa watching Jeremy Kyle
- spend another third bigging-up their myspunk.nob profile & "texting"
- spend the remainder getting off their tits on rusty lager-piss or tart-fuel
- appear on reality telly
- get their well deserved job as a footballer or pop star
- own an orange fake tan
- shag Jordan/Russell Bland or some other waste of space
- collect their hard-earned benefit
Yep, these people. The same, who toss a mental coin to decide whether or not to get up for a poo, or let go in their pants.
Not a chance.
Retirement roulette!
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The State Pension is the biggest Ponzi scheme of all time. Ever since it was introduced current pensioners are being paid by current taxpayers since of course it was introduced straightaway rather than after x years of contributions first. Then take into account an aging population, low birth rate and long life expectancy and pretty soon we will no longer be able to afford it in it's current form. That's why the pension age is increasing in various stages over the next 50 years and and in all likelihood those increases are going to have to be brought forward as well.
PS In 1908 when Lloyd George introduced a payment of 5 shillings a week for poor men over the age of 70, the average man was lucky if he survived much beyond 50. Now we have most people retiring at 65 with 15 further years of life in them yet.
PS In 1908 when Lloyd George introduced a payment of 5 shillings a week for poor men over the age of 70, the average man was lucky if he survived much beyond 50. Now we have most people retiring at 65 with 15 further years of life in them yet.
FNG said:
gary11 said:
Targarama said:
Have you been living in a cave? Did you really think you'll be able to get a state pension at 65? (unless you're close to that now of course...).
Also, remember this is the official retirement age - there is nothing to stop you saving up and retiring early. You just won't get their part of the pension.
Fair reply it (the state pension) doesnt really help anyone much especially me but just as a sum most of havent half given the goverment a lot of money over the years,my post reading it back isnt clear my fustration is rather the hypocrasiy shown by giving the banks squillions immediately and the telling the public that the 50p a day the pension will be worth isnt going to be forthcoming for another year!Also, remember this is the official retirement age - there is nothing to stop you saving up and retiring early. You just won't get their part of the pension.
Without being petty it really is immoral!
I thought generally we in this current generation are wealthier than previous generations.
Bigger houses/property, more cars, big TVs, less dirty blue collar jobs.
Don't necessarily think we should work later in life but aren't we still quite well off?
Bigger houses/property, more cars, big TVs, less dirty blue collar jobs.
Don't necessarily think we should work later in life but aren't we still quite well off?
Edited by zac510 on Wednesday 7th October 13:04
Gaspode said:
I'm not entirely clear on what you want. You seem to wish to pay less in taxes, but also to receive more in public benefits. Does this indicate you wish the public borrowing deficit to rise even further than its current level? How do you think that should be repaid?
Currently, there are 4 working people in the UK supporting each pensioner. Soon, there will be only 2. How do you think the state pension should be funded?
It's not the state pension that's the problem, it's the fact that all retirement ages will rise so we continue to pay taxes longer. Currently, there are 4 working people in the UK supporting each pensioner. Soon, there will be only 2. How do you think the state pension should be funded?
The simple solution is to take an axe to the services the state provides. At the start of the 20th century, there was no VAT or income tax.
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