BBC and Labour winge about Dannatt

[hidetheelephants]

Aside from the usual wky handwringing lentilknitting nonsense about the military, the hypocracy is a bit grating. Why is the torys recruiting him any different to Labour recruiting Admiral West? I see no difference.

[Dunk76]

Ah, but there is a difference.

Should the Government 'recruit' a senior military figure, then it's building it's 'all talents' executive for the benefit of the country/world/poor/economy.

If the Tories recruit a senior military figure, well, that's just politicisation of the Army and a cynical move to be condemned by the Ministry For Information & Enlightenment

I can see you need a little more Ideological training, Comrade.

[Jasandjules]

You see no difference? You see no difference. Allow me to explain.

If the Tories do something, it's bad.

If the Nu Laba lying scum machine do something, it's good.

That is really all you need to know where the BBC is concerned.

[chris watton]

John Snow on C4 news was just as bad last night, being as 'emotive' as he possibly could - when interviewing Cameron, he was like a stuck record, and kept repeating "but what about the nurses and police, why should they suffer?" Nasty Tories, wanting to bring the defecit down and make the poor nurses suffer. I am sure that if it were a labour minister explaining the same policies, Mr. Snow would have had more sympathy...

Double standards are now appallingly clear.
ETA - C4 news even had a 'discussion' with a 'cross section' of the public, the conclusion being that, overall, they preferred Brown, as he seemed the most trustworthy!

Edited by chris watton on Thursday 8th October 08:43

[odyssey2200]

I hope that if/when CMD comes to power that he gives the BBC a good kicking!

[Randy Winkman]

Jasandjules said:

You see no difference? You see no difference. Allow me to explain.

If the Tories do something, it's bad.

If the Nu Laba lying scum machine do something, it's good.

That is really all you need to know where the BBC is concerned.

With the opposite being the case here: Tory drink tax anyone?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8294554.stm

By the way - I do appreciate that the BBC is funded by the tax payer and should be neutral (which it is not). PHers can of course, say what they like.

[limpsfield]

You should listen to PM on Radio4 from Wednesday night - Eddie Mair was giving the Labour guy an almighty kicking over this.

And the Today show in the mornings again on R4 is never afraid to lay into the government.

I think the BBC bashing gets out of hand on here.

[J5]

limpsfield said:

You should listen to PM on Radio4 from Wednesday night - Eddie Mair was giving the Labour guy an almighty kicking over this.

The chap who called Dannatt out regarding expenses?
That guy took an absolute pasting from Mair, lovely to listen to

[pkitchen]

limpsfield said:

You should listen to PM on Radio4 from Wednesday night - Eddie Mair was giving the Labour guy an almighty kicking over this.

And the Today show in the mornings again on R4 is never afraid to lay into the government.

I think the BBC bashing gets out of hand on here.

Absolutely. The chat on here is pretty one eyed.

[Randy Winkman]

There is also a Peter Oborne thing on Radio 4 that's like a Tory Party Political Broadcast. I still think that the BBC is rather left wing - but I don't think it's extreme.

[limpsfield]

I think the news in the UK does a good job of pressurising whoever they are interviewing - and again if you want to listen to proper journalism try the Today programme or PM on radio 4 throughout the week.

I watched last week's Question Time on Iplayer last night and thought government minister Ben Bradshaw was made to look vacuous whereas Theresa May came out of it well.

As a few other posters have mentioned I do think the claims on bias made on here are massively overdone and get tiresome, detracting from the real issue.

Edited by limpsfield on Thursday 8th October 09:11

[Shoot Blair]

limpsfield said:

You should listen to PM on Radio4 from Wednesday night - Eddie Mair was giving the Labour guy an almighty kicking over this.

And the Today show in the mornings again on R4 is never afraid to lay into the government.

I think the BBC bashing gets out of hand on here.

Apart from the microcosm that is R4, most of the BBC is pretty liberal/left/biased. The think that is boiling PH blood is that your wakners who have no idea/interest/understanding of the present political/economic situation are having their own outlook biased. This is marginally better than the BBC actually filling in their ballot papers.

I'd cut their funding tomorrow if I was PM. Totally and utterly gone.

Edited by Shoot Blair on Thursday 8th October 09:18

[Fittster]

For a party that studied the Tony Blair's handbook for election CMD and boys are hugely bad at staying on message.

“I admire the work of General Dannatt and other senior generals who’ve done so much in Afghanistan and done so much to lead. I hope that this isn’t a political gimmick. We’ve seen too many appointments in this government of external people where it’s all been about Gordon Brown’s PR. General Dannatt’s an experienced figure and should rightly be working alongside government. I’m always suspicious of government’s motives when it does things like this."

Chris Grayling. Shadow Home Sec.

Also a bit shocking that the Shadow Home Sec doesn't know what's going on within the Tory leadership. Hardly suggests that Cameron will take the cabinet or parliament seriously once he becomes elected.

[limpsfield]

Shoot Blair said:

The think that is boiling PH blood is that your wakners who have no idea/interest/understanding of the present political/economic situation are having their own outlook biased.

From your profile it says you are no longer a teacher. I think the nation's parents breathed a collective sigh of relief when that happened.

[Dunk76]

limpsfield said:

Shoot Blair said:

The think that is boiling PH blood is that your wakners who have no idea/interest/understanding of the present political/economic situation are having their own outlook biased.

From your profile it says you are no longer a teacher. I think the nation's parents breathed a collective sigh of relief when that happened.

Leaving aside the handbags-at-dawn which you're trying to instigate here, he has a point, albeit a badly worded one.

Most of us who bother to post on BBC biased, actual or imagined, are more angry about the fact that those who do not or cannot see past the bias simply take the information verbatim. The Beeb is trusted to tell the truth by the vast majority.

Regrettably, Radio 4 is the last bastion of intelligence and neutrality when it comes to political reporting on the Beeb. The fawning sychophantic drivel of the likes of Marr, Robinson, and co captures neither the mood of the nation nor accurately hold our masters to account. It is biased.

[Eric Mc]

limpsfield said:

You should listen to PM on Radio4 from Wednesday night - Eddie Mair was giving the Labour guy an almighty kicking over this.

And the Today show in the mornings again on R4 is never afraid to lay into the government.

I think the BBC bashing gets out of hand on here.

So do I.

Modern journalistic interview techniques are fairly aggressive by nature.
The main aim is to "trip people up" and get them to say things that they know the politician doesn't want to say. It's all a bit of a game and can get very tedious, frankly.

I blame old Paxo myself.

[Dunk76]

Yup

But we live in an age of spin and on-message.

Politicians aren't allowed to have their own views on things, least not ones that they broadcast. This is especially true of the PLP where it's almost impossible to tell who they're interviewing (on the radio) if you missed the introduction.

Without the digging/probing/tripping all of the interviews would effectively sound the same. Trying to get the truth out of Ministers should be the prime directive. Not gently asking them if they're on medication.

[pacman1]

Jasandjules said:

You see no difference? You see no difference. Allow me to explain.

If the Tories do something, it's bad.

If the Nu Laba lying scum machine do something, it's good.

That is really all you need to know where the BBC is concerned.

I've had that feeling about the BBC on occasions too, but less recently.
Perhaps with the general public's mood for Labour being far from a happy one , the Beebs leftist slant might become obvious to more people.

edit: speeling

Edited by pacman1 on Thursday 8th October 10:20

[JagLover]

chris watton said:

John Snow on C4 news was just as bad last night, being as 'emotive' as he possibly could - when interviewing Cameron, he was like a stuck record, and kept repeating "but what about the nurses and police, why should they suffer?" Nasty Tories, wanting to bring the defecit down and make the poor nurses suffer. I am sure that if it were a labour minister explaining the same policies, Mr. Snow would have had more sympathy...

Double standards are now appallingly clear.

Ch4 news have been blatently biased all week. Even the BBC have had more balanced coverage of the Tory conference. The Tories need every paper endorsement they can get because they will never get a fair hearing from much of the broadcast media.

[Fittster]

JagLover said:

Ch4 news have been blatently biased all week. Even the BBC have had more balanced coverage of the Tory conference. The Tories need every paper endorsement they can get because they will never get a fair hearing from much of the broadcast media.

But the tories have most of the print press.