Question time tonight
Discussion
collateral said:
unrepentant said:
According to the Times Charles Kennedy was supposed to be on instead of her. Presumably he was slumped unconscious somewhere and she had to step in....
Prrrrrrrretty sure he was on it last weekBet he is slumped unconscious somewhere anyway....
collateral said:
unrepentant said:
According to the Times Charles Kennedy was supposed to be on instead of her. Presumably he was slumped unconscious somewhere and she had to step in....
Prrrrrrrretty sure he was on it last weekUtter stupidity of audience members never cease to amaze me.
"Why should public sector pay for any of this?"
eeeerr cos there's far too bloody many of them?!
Attacks on Osborne's background also nasty, crass and utterly irrelevant. Conveniently forgetting about Tony Blair, public school , Oxford, barrister etc etc etc.
Typically envious socialist gits. Thought he explained the family success quite well.
....and £2Bn cut in inheritance tax (which they say they won't do for 3 or 4 years anyway) - what a red herring vs £175Bn a year overspend.
"The trouble with Labour Governments is that sooner or later they run out of other people's money"
Iain328 said:
Typically envious socialist gits. Thought he explained the family success quite well.
Agreed. I was amazed at the hostility shown towards anyone who's got a bit of cash stashed away. Stuart Rose copped it a few times from audience members and the whole "George is rich and therefore isn't entitled to be in politics" slant was disgraceful.This hatred of success seems to be a relatively new thing and seems to be a uniquely British phenomenon. Which is worrying and does not bode well. I hope the BBC selects a disproportionally large number of Labour/Socialist voters for its audience, as if the audience truly reflects the view of the UK at large, then we're doomed.
I've just stayed up far too late soley to watch this on iPlayer.
Highlights: Ian calling Yvette a liar. To her face, on national television. Twice.
The engineer in the audience making the widely overlooked point that the private sector actually creates wealth - the public sector just spends it.
The 'Strictly Come Dancing' question. Very illuminating responses - it was easy to tell who the politicians were. Stuart Rose gave a sensible, businessman's answer, Ian looked like he wanted to tell the questioner to f
k off and get a life.
Highlights: Ian calling Yvette a liar. To her face, on national television. Twice.
The engineer in the audience making the widely overlooked point that the private sector actually creates wealth - the public sector just spends it.
The 'Strictly Come Dancing' question. Very illuminating responses - it was easy to tell who the politicians were. Stuart Rose gave a sensible, businessman's answer, Ian looked like he wanted to tell the questioner to f
k off and get a life.EdJ said:
It was so good I managed to stay awake throughout. Good to see Hislop having a go at that awful woman Yvette Cooper and I was genuinely impressed at Osborne.
He certainly had a gravitas about him not seen before. It's not bad seeing a politician who refuses to adopt a smug grin at every opportunity. That is so annoying and something the previous Tories and current Labour incumbents seemed to do at every opportunity. I'm sure this helped lead to the downfall of Michael Howard and William Hague.We live in serious times and serious issues need to be confronted. Self satisfied smugness is not the message to be putting across.
Following Cameron's speech and now Osborne on QT, I feel for the first time in a while that the Tories are not so focused on spin and are serious about what needs to be done.
There still seems to be a view from the general public (or at least the general public as defined by the BBC) that it should be the "rich" who get the country out of this mess. I think this is partly the fault of big government where so many people are dependent / reliant on the state that they no longer understand the concept of responsibility. Comments like "what are the government going to do about it?" are symptomatic of this.
There still seems to be a view from the general public (or at least the general public as defined by the BBC) that it should be the "rich" who get the country out of this mess. I think this is partly the fault of big government where so many people are dependent / reliant on the state that they no longer understand the concept of responsibility. Comments like "what are the government going to do about it?" are symptomatic of this.
Quite. Many people are deluded at the moment about what needs to be done. There are those with the viewpoint that if we "tax the bankers" and "get rid of MP's expenses" then this will magically plug the massive multi-billion deficit we currently have.
Funny indeed that a member of the audience made the point about living in an "I'm alright Jack" society, and then shortly afterwards someone else said "I work in the public sector, why should I have to endure pain for the bankers' mistakes?", as if having a 12-month pay freeze is the worst thing on the planet.
Funny indeed that a member of the audience made the point about living in an "I'm alright Jack" society, and then shortly afterwards someone else said "I work in the public sector, why should I have to endure pain for the bankers' mistakes?", as if having a 12-month pay freeze is the worst thing on the planet.
EdJ said:
There still seems to be a view from the general public (or at least the general public as defined by the BBC) that it should be the "rich" who get the country out of this mess. I think this is partly the fault of big government where so many people are dependent / reliant on the state that they no longer understand the concept of responsibility.
It is also the product of ignorance. If they think a £200bn deficit can be eliminated only by taxes on a small, highly mobile, section of the population, then they are very ignorant of basic economic facts.Many of these rich aren't even British citizens. A move from London to, say, Geneva, would only involve a change of scenary for them.
EdJ said:
Following Cameron's speech and now Osborne on QT, I feel for the first time in a while that the Tories are not so focused on spin and are serious about what needs to be done.
There still seems to be a view from the general public (or at least the general public as defined by the BBC) that it should be the "rich" who get the country out of this mess. I think this is partly the fault of big government where so many people are dependent / reliant on the state that they no longer understand the concept of responsibility. Comments like "what are the government going to do about it?" are symptomatic of this.
That 'Engineer' in the audience made the most sensible comment of the night...and as someone has already mentioned, it largely got ignored!There still seems to be a view from the general public (or at least the general public as defined by the BBC) that it should be the "rich" who get the country out of this mess. I think this is partly the fault of big government where so many people are dependent / reliant on the state that they no longer understand the concept of responsibility. Comments like "what are the government going to do about it?" are symptomatic of this.
The socialist audience there bang on about making the 'private' sector pay for getting us into this mess; well, the financial sector may have got us there, but the manufacturing sector, construction sector, retail sector had nothing to do with it....so why should they suffer.
Fact is, Private sector brings in money, the public sector spends it. If one of those two had to take cuts, you damn well better believe it should be the Public sector! Public sector provides a 'Service', & a service makes our lives easier, but is not a necessity. It's about time the people in the public sector realised this.
If they had to try and find a job in the Private sector, and realised how hard it was, then maybe they'd look at their job and be thankful that they have one, and take the damned pay freeze so that they and their colleague's can keep their jobs!!!!
They may not be high paid jobs.....but at least they have fricking jobs. This is the type of thinking that 12 years of Labour's 'free ride for the lazy' has produced!
TankRizzo said:
Quite. Many people are deluded at the moment about what needs to be done. There are those with the viewpoint that if we "tax the bankers" and "get rid of MP's expenses" then this will magically plug the massive multi-billion deficit we currently have.
Funny indeed that a member of the audience made the point about living in an "I'm alright Jack" society, and then shortly afterwards someone else said "I work in the public sector, why should I have to endure pain for the bankers' mistakes?", as if having a 12-month pay freeze is the worst thing on the planet.
Hmm, if it's all about independence and looking after yourself why should the banks be spared the consequences of capitalism?Funny indeed that a member of the audience made the point about living in an "I'm alright Jack" society, and then shortly afterwards someone else said "I work in the public sector, why should I have to endure pain for the bankers' mistakes?", as if having a 12-month pay freeze is the worst thing on the planet.
As I've said before I'd love a much smaller state (no welfare state, armed force brought home, etc) but that also means no bail outs for any industries. I can't see how you can support both smaller government and banking bailouts.
Some Binman - I mean Domestic Waste Operative said:
"I work in the public sector, why should I have to endure pain for the bankers' mistakes
I saw that particular comment. I wonder, does he have a mortgage, or credit cards, or something on HP? In which case he has probably been benefitting from the cheap, ill thought over loans for years. Why do the Public sector think that it's the Governments' responsibility to ensure everybody else has to suffer but not them. tts! Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff