And the city with most uninsured drivers is...

[bales]

jamoor said:

R60EST said:

Just read this from start to finish, and can't believe how many of the comments posted are exactly what I've thought for years.

Indians - Great work ethic , sociable , sucessful
pakistanis- In the 70's 80's seemed to be quite meek but the current generation leave a lot to be desired.
Chinese- I don't know a single unemployed chinese person , I never have.
Black- My opinion is slowly changing , in the 80's I had a very negative view , but over the years this has changed and I tend to reserve judgement now.

Just the opinion of an increasingly minority group member - white ( un PC strain)

Edited by R60EST on Sunday 25th October 20:21

TBH the black indians are about the worse race I have ever had the displeasure of meeting.

I knew a few lads from scotland when I was at uni, in my experience they were all big drinkers....

I also lived with some chinese people for a year, I also worked with some greek people on my course - they were lazy buggers.

Are all Scots alcoholics? are all greeks lazy bds? Is my post as offensive as the one you are quoting?

Or is it just because he mentions colour?

[otolith]

Without getting into questions of race, I'd like to see two tiers of offence for driving without insurance - the current absolute offence kept as it is, and a more serious offence which requires the proof of intent to drive uninsured and carries much heavier penalties, including custodial sentences for repeat offenders.

[Murcielago_Boy]

jamoor said:

Murcielago_Boy said:

pakistanis/Bangladeshis and Indians are vastly different people. Never confuse the two.

This is reflected in the their economic status pretty much everywhere they have chosen to settle in the world.
The Indians have made money and got on with their lives.
And the pakistanis/Bangladeshis have languished and struggled at the bottom.

There is a VERY controversial theory put forward in many cirlces about why this is so. It relates to which types of people converted to Islam during Moghul rule to escape the caste system, and during the splitting up of India, subsequently became pakistani.... and how the comparison of the relative performance of the two people today is attributable to the "quality" of their ancestor converts many years ago....

This is total and utter bullst, I know numerous rich pakistanis. The two cultures are very similar and share the same poor work ethic.

The reason pakistanis here are percieved to be poor is essentially "Mangla Damn", that's they are generally uneducated, go to India and you will find the exact same uneducated people, the difference is they haven't chosen to go and live abroad. When mangla damn was built lots of villagers emigrated to the UK as they had lost their homes, Britain needed people, these people were without homes.

Go to the USA and see pakistanis there, they are generally better educated and richer, this is because they didn't move there as they had lost there homes, more they are professionals looking for a job.

Indian and pakistani culture are similar??? LOL err.. dont think so - they're POLES APART. The work ethics are utterly different and based deeply on the founding principals on which the two nations were created in 1949. These founding principals are carried through to the state of the two nations today AND the behaviour of their citizens:

A mono-ethnic pakistan blowing itslef to smithereens fighting inside instability, and islamic miltancy at every turn, currently led by Mr 10% after a load of corrupt generals and effectively in state of civil war in waziristan VS A secular, democratic, peaceful India where a Hindu majority has an elected a Sikh prime minister, a muslim president (has over 200M muslims residents) and is growing at 8% a year. (and sadly it's only threat is it's neighbour)

The reality of that fraud city list was that most of those areas have a very large pakistani population. The point I was trying to make is that pakistani is NOT the same as Asian which is NOT the same Indian.
This debate could rapidly descend into a nasty pi55ing match. So I'll stop here. Many of the "rich" pakistanis I've met are into VAT Fraud, drugs, bootleg booze and the rest. Indians are hardly angels either. There are MANY exceptions and certainly no race is superior or better. (like I said these are controversial THEORIES).

But
a) the people are different....
b) the cultures are different
c) the behaviour of the people (wherever they are) is different.
d) ...because the countries are massively different
e) and the two races should NEVER be confused with each other or equated.

If they were all the same, then there was no need for the creation of pakistan and Bangladesh in the first place.

[bakerjuk]

bales said:

jamoor said:

R60EST said:

Just read this from start to finish, and can't believe how many of the comments posted are exactly what I've thought for years.

Indians - Great work ethic , sociable , sucessful
pakistanis- In the 70's 80's seemed to be quite meek but the current generation leave a lot to be desired.
Chinese- I don't know a single unemployed chinese person , I never have.
Black- My opinion is slowly changing , in the 80's I had a very negative view , but over the years this has changed and I tend to reserve judgement now.

Just the opinion of an increasingly minority group member - white ( un PC strain)

Edited by R60EST on Sunday 25th October 20:21

TBH the black indians are about the worse race I have ever had the displeasure of meeting.

I knew a few lads from scotland when I was at uni, in my experience they were all big drinkers....

I also lived with some chinese people for a year, I also worked with some greek people on my course - they were lazy buggers.

Are all Scots alcoholics? are all greeks lazy bds? Is my post as offensive as the one you are quoting?

Or is it just because he mentions colour?

We have had it drummed into us for decades about not stereotyping, but the reality of it is that most stereotypes are fairly true and when you stereotype based on colour it is a crime, unless its against yourself which is apparently fine.

I always remember the head of scotland yard saying young africans are more likely to be involved in knife crime. he was universally condemned for stating fact by the self titled "Black community"..
I mean WTF !!!! There is a Black Community? Who the F*** is segregating themselves and creating cultural issues now?

I am a big proponent of freedom of speech regardless if it properly annoys someone else. My opinion is my own and if it offends then dont listen.

Saying that you dont think your own youth in your own culture is no different is an extremely blinkered viewpoint.

[M400 NBL]

baz1985 said:

Horse_Apple said:

baz1985 said:

Leeds Road & Great Horton Road, Bradford are good for supercar spotting...more than Park Lane etc.

A 318 with an M badge glued on the back still isn't a supercar

I was referring to the F430/997tt/Lambo Gall-Murc etc.

Honestly... the odd Fezza, Porsche, Lambo and Merc and Bradford is the supercar city of the UK

I'd be surprised if the chaps in Bradford that own these cars could afford to live in a multi million pound London property and still buy and run a supercar.

[baz1985]

M400 NBL said:

baz1985 said:

Horse_Apple said:

baz1985 said:

Leeds Road & Great Horton Road, Bradford are good for supercar spotting...more than Park Lane etc.

A 318 with an M badge glued on the back still isn't a supercar

I was referring to the F430/997tt/Lambo Gall-Murc etc.

I'd be surprised if the chaps in Bradford that own these cars could afford to live in a multi million pound London property and still buy and run a supercar.

Thats precisely the point.

[tinman0]

otolith said:

Without getting into questions of race, I'd like to see two tiers of offence for driving without insurance - the current absolute offence kept as it is, and a more serious offence which requires the proof of intent to drive uninsured and carries much heavier penalties, including custodial sentences for repeat offenders.

I think you are spot on. People make mistakes and insurance companies make mistakes, so an IN10 is perfectly sufficient. But then there are the people who had no intention of ever getting insurance in the first place "because its too expensive".

[odyssey2200]

jamoor said:

TBH the black indians are about the worse race I have ever had the displeasure of meeting.

Them Red ones weren't a lot friendlier either!

Tomahawks flying everywhere,
I had to circle the wagons and wait for the Cavalry!

Edited by odyssey2200 on Monday 26th October 14:22

[jamoor]

Murcielago_Boy said:

jamoor said:

Murcielago_Boy said:

pakistanis/Bangladeshis and Indians are vastly different people. Never confuse the two.

This is reflected in the their economic status pretty much everywhere they have chosen to settle in the world.
The Indians have made money and got on with their lives.
And the pakistanis/Bangladeshis have languished and struggled at the bottom.

There is a VERY controversial theory put forward in many cirlces about why this is so. It relates to which types of people converted to Islam during Moghul rule to escape the caste system, and during the splitting up of India, subsequently became pakistani.... and how the comparison of the relative performance of the two people today is attributable to the "quality" of their ancestor converts many years ago....

This is total and utter bullst, I know numerous rich pakistanis. The two cultures are very similar and share the same poor work ethic.

The reason pakistanis here are percieved to be poor is essentially "Mangla Damn", that's they are generally uneducated, go to India and you will find the exact same uneducated people, the difference is they haven't chosen to go and live abroad. When mangla damn was built lots of villagers emigrated to the UK as they had lost their homes, Britain needed people, these people were without homes.

Go to the USA and see pakistanis there, they are generally better educated and richer, this is because they didn't move there as they had lost there homes, more they are professionals looking for a job.

Indian and pakistani culture are similar??? LOL err.. dont think so - they're POLES APART. The work ethics are utterly different and based deeply on the founding principals on which the two nations were created in 1949. These founding principals are carried through to the state of the two nations today AND the behaviour of their citizens:

A mono-ethnic pakistan blowing itslef to smithereens fighting inside instability, and islamic miltancy at every turn, currently led by Mr 10% after a load of corrupt generals and effectively in state of civil war in waziristan VS A secular, democratic, peaceful India where a Hindu majority has an elected a Sikh prime minister, a muslim president (has over 200M muslims residents) and is growing at 8% a year. (and sadly it's only threat is it's neighbour)

The reality of that fraud city list was that most of those areas have a very large pakistani population. The point I was trying to make is that pakistani is NOT the same as Asian which is NOT the same Indian.
This debate could rapidly descend into a nasty pi55ing match. So I'll stop here. Many of the "rich" pakistanis I've met are into VAT Fraud, drugs, bootleg booze and the rest. Indians are hardly angels either. There are MANY exceptions and certainly no race is superior or better. (like I said these are controversial THEORIES).

But
a) the people are different....
b) the cultures are different
c) the behaviour of the people (wherever they are) is different.
d) ...because the countries are massively different
e) and the two races should NEVER be confused with each other or equated.

If they were all the same, then there was no need for the creation of pakistan and Bangladesh in the first place.

The cultures aren't poles apart, they eat pretty much the same food, they talk the same language, in fact they were one country until very recently, but I will stop here too as I think all Indians are wkers.

Edited by jamoor on Monday 26th October 14:20

[otolith]

odyssey2200 said:

I had to circle the wagons and wait for the Calvary!

Crucifixion?

[odyssey2200]

Line on the left, One cross each!!

[otolith]

[fido]

Slghtly off-topic i.e. not generalisation of an entire culture/sub-culture/postcode .. but am i to infer from all this banter .. that if i report an un-taxed car/van (down my road) then the police will do jack-all about it?

Edited by fido on Monday 26th October 14:51

[jas xjr]

jamoor said:

Murcielago_Boy said:

jamoor said:

Murcielago_Boy said:

pakistanis/Bangladeshis and Indians are vastly different people. Never confuse the two.

This is reflected in the their economic status pretty much everywhere they have chosen to settle in the world.
The Indians have made money and got on with their lives.
And the pakistanis/Bangladeshis have languished and struggled at the bottom.

There is a VERY controversial theory put forward in many cirlces about why this is so. It relates to which types of people converted to Islam during Moghul rule to escape the caste system, and during the splitting up of India, subsequently became pakistani.... and how the comparison of the relative performance of the two people today is attributable to the "quality" of their ancestor converts many years ago....

This is total and utter bullst, I know numerous rich pakistanis. The two cultures are very similar and share the same poor work ethic.

The reason pakistanis here are percieved to be poor is essentially "Mangla Damn", that's they are generally uneducated, go to India and you will find the exact same uneducated people, the difference is they haven't chosen to go and live abroad. When mangla damn was built lots of villagers emigrated to the UK as they had lost their homes, Britain needed people, these people were without homes.

Go to the USA and see pakistanis there, they are generally better educated and richer, this is because they didn't move there as they had lost there homes, more they are professionals looking for a job.

Indian and pakistani culture are similar??? LOL err.. dont think so - they're POLES APART. The work ethics are utterly different and based deeply on the founding principals on which the two nations were created in 1949. These founding principals are carried through to the state of the two nations today AND the behaviour of their citizens:

A mono-ethnic pakistan blowing itslef to smithereens fighting inside instability, and islamic miltancy at every turn, currently led by Mr 10% after a load of corrupt generals and effectively in state of civil war in waziristan VS A secular, democratic, peaceful India where a Hindu majority has an elected a Sikh prime minister, a muslim president (has over 200M muslims residents) and is growing at 8% a year. (and sadly it's only threat is it's neighbour)

The reality of that fraud city list was that most of those areas have a very large pakistani population. The point I was trying to make is that pakistani is NOT the same as Asian which is NOT the same Indian.
This debate could rapidly descend into a nasty pi55ing match. So I'll stop here. Many of the "rich" pakistanis I've met are into VAT Fraud, drugs, bootleg booze and the rest. Indians are hardly angels either. There are MANY exceptions and certainly no race is superior or better. (like I said these are controversial THEORIES).

But
a) the people are different....
b) the cultures are different
c) the behaviour of the people (wherever they are) is different.
d) ...because the countries are massively different
e) and the two races should NEVER be confused with each other or equated.

If they were all the same, then there was no need for the creation of pakistan and Bangladesh in the first place.

The cultures aren't poles apart, they eat pretty much the same food, they talk the same language, in fact they were one country until very recently, but I will stop here too as I think all Indians are wkers.

Edited by jamoor on Monday 26th October 14:20

so indians speak the same language,eat the same food were from the same country ,millions of them are the same religion as you and you hate them, you are a very strange person

[5unny]

jas xjr said:

jamoor said:

Murcielago_Boy said:

jamoor said:

Murcielago_Boy said:

pakistanis/Bangladeshis and Indians are vastly different people. Never confuse the two.

This is reflected in the their economic status pretty much everywhere they have chosen to settle in the world.
The Indians have made money and got on with their lives.
And the pakistanis/Bangladeshis have languished and struggled at the bottom.

There is a VERY controversial theory put forward in many cirlces about why this is so. It relates to which types of people converted to Islam during Moghul rule to escape the caste system, and during the splitting up of India, subsequently became pakistani.... and how the comparison of the relative performance of the two people today is attributable to the "quality" of their ancestor converts many years ago....

This is total and utter bullst, I know numerous rich pakistanis. The two cultures are very similar and share the same poor work ethic.

The reason pakistanis here are percieved to be poor is essentially "Mangla Damn", that's they are generally uneducated, go to India and you will find the exact same uneducated people, the difference is they haven't chosen to go and live abroad. When mangla damn was built lots of villagers emigrated to the UK as they had lost their homes, Britain needed people, these people were without homes.

Go to the USA and see pakistanis there, they are generally better educated and richer, this is because they didn't move there as they had lost there homes, more they are professionals looking for a job.

Indian and pakistani culture are similar??? LOL err.. dont think so - they're POLES APART. The work ethics are utterly different and based deeply on the founding principals on which the two nations were created in 1949. These founding principals are carried through to the state of the two nations today AND the behaviour of their citizens:

A mono-ethnic pakistan blowing itslef to smithereens fighting inside instability, and islamic miltancy at every turn, currently led by Mr 10% after a load of corrupt generals and effectively in state of civil war in waziristan VS A secular, democratic, peaceful India where a Hindu majority has an elected a Sikh prime minister, a muslim president (has over 200M muslims residents) and is growing at 8% a year. (and sadly it's only threat is it's neighbour)

The reality of that fraud city list was that most of those areas have a very large pakistani population. The point I was trying to make is that pakistani is NOT the same as Asian which is NOT the same Indian.
This debate could rapidly descend into a nasty pi55ing match. So I'll stop here. Many of the "rich" pakistanis I've met are into VAT Fraud, drugs, bootleg booze and the rest. Indians are hardly angels either. There are MANY exceptions and certainly no race is superior or better. (like I said these are controversial THEORIES).

But
a) the people are different....
b) the cultures are different
c) the behaviour of the people (wherever they are) is different.
d) ...because the countries are massively different
e) and the two races should NEVER be confused with each other or equated.

If they were all the same, then there was no need for the creation of pakistan and Bangladesh in the first place.

The cultures aren't poles apart, they eat pretty much the same food, they talk the same language, in fact they were one country until very recently, but I will stop here too as I think all Indians are wkers.

Edited by jamoor on Monday 26th October 14:20

so indians speak the same language,eat the same food were from the same country ,millions of them are the same religion as you and you hate them, you are a very strange person

I think (hope) he was being sarcastic.

This Indian pakistani thing is silly. Yes the stereotypes may well hold true in the UK but then you go somewhere like America and find their pakistani immigrants are just as educated and well to do as their Indian counterparts. Maybe this has something to do with the American's only letting in skilled/wealthy immigrants.

Then you look at somewhere like Canada and find the recent Indian immigrants from Punjab (and to a lesser extent Tamil Nadu) sitting at the lower end of the socio-economic ladder. Religious and inter caste violence is also rife within the Canadian Indian community.

[5unny]

thinfourth2 said:

tinman0 said:

I really don't see what the problem is as the Police have the ability to ANPR each car pretty quickly.

Simply set up a set of road blocks one morning, and pull over every car that doesn't have insurance or has been tagged as being unlicensed. All you have to do is create a net, and stop anyone running out the back of it.

And there you go, several hundred cars off the road that day.

Repeat once a month until the locals get the idea in their head that they need car insurance.
.

As that would be racism

This is bks imo.

I can't see the authorities not acting just because they fear being branded racists.

This doesnt explain why they are so inactive when it comes to trapping uninsured drivers in non-ethnic areas.

There is obviously a deliberate policy of just doing enough to show the public they are trying, but in reality this is way down their pecking order when it comes to crime or unlawful activities.

It's like illegal immigrants - we all know the restuarants, takeaways, shops and car washes where they work yet no one seems to care - maybe this is an economic thing, I don't know.

[odyssey2200]

5unny said:

I can't see the authorities not acting just because they fear being branded racists.

.

While I would like to think that you are right and I admire your enthusiasm....
I think you are, sadly, wrong

[bakerjuk]

5unny said:

I can't see the authorities not acting just because they fear being branded racists.

Are you joking?
If the police were to sit at the end of Bradford highstreet and pull everyone over they would be accused or racism, and the BBC LOVES racism stories as it makes it look impartial. The government is totally terrified that its main demographic (immigrant populous) will turn against it.

Its far much easier for the police to pull over "white" brits as we cant pull the race card.

[Trommel]

bakerjuk said:

Its far much easier for the police to pull over "white" brits as we cant pull the race card.

I've seen the police doing spot vehicle checks on Grosvenor Road close to Vauxhall Bridge a few times - all of those I saw who were continuing their journeys minus car were imported gentlemen and their families.

[5unny]

Okay maybe I was being a tad naive.

But that doesnt explain why we dont see a crackdown in other, non ethnic, parts of the country.

Also if we look at the stop and search statistice the Police are not scared to stop a large number of black and asians. And neither should they be if that particular area has a disproportionate number of black or asian youths commiting street crime.

Personally I think this issue of the police not acting is far more an economics and resources one as opposed to a race one.

bakerjuk said:

5unny said:

I can't see the authorities not acting just because they fear being branded racists.

Are you joking?
If the police were to sit at the end of Bradford highstreet and pull everyone over they would be accused or racism, and the BBC LOVES racism stories as it makes it look impartial. The government is totally terrified that its main demographic (immigrant populous) will turn against it.

Its far much easier for the police to pull over "white" brits as we cant pull the race card.