And the city with most uninsured drivers is...

[M400 NBL]

I guessed correctly too. Not a half hearted 'maybe Bradford'. I didn't have, or need a backup.

[youngsyr]

Greg_D said:

HRG. said:

10JH said:

Got it too!

Bloody hell, how come so many of us know the answer without looking...

I got it first time as well, the answer to your question is think of the highest concentration of asians that is where the dodgyness occurs, simple facts and statistics.........not racism. After all, all stereotypes have at least a basis in facts.

personally, I would rather it wasn't such a straightforward correlation, but look at the list and it screams out at you.

Greg

Look at the list of the poorest areas in the country and another correlation will scream out at you.

Similarly you need to look at crime statistics and concentration from before the UK experienced the mass immigration of the past 50 years or so.

If you think the level of criminality in an area is primarily caused by the race of its occupants rather than their poverty, then to my mind you are naive at best.

[triggersbroom]

Bloody Hell, I got it right too!

[Pickled Piper]

Greg_D said:

HRG. said:

10JH said:

Got it too!

Bloody hell, how come so many of us know the answer without looking...

I got it first time as well, the answer to your question is think of the highest concentration of asians that is where the dodgyness occurs, simple facts and statistics.........not racism. After all, all stereotypes have at least a basis in facts.

personally, I would rather it wasn't such a straightforward correlation, but look at the list and it screams out at you.

Greg

I guessed Bradford as well. However, why let facts stand in the way of a vitreolic rant?

Bradford City Council said:

A profile by Bradford City Council describes the urban Barkerend ward as 'significantly more deprived' than the rest of the district - particularly in the areas of income, education and employment. Crime and criminal damage is 'well above average'.
Ethnically, it is described as 61 per cent white, 34 per cent Asian, 2 per cent mixed race, and 1.3 per cent black.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1215828/Re...

No doubt the 61% of the population that is white are all fine upstanding citizens.
pp

Edited by Pickled Piper on Thursday 22 October 14:31

Edited by Pickled Piper on Thursday 22 October 14:34

[Greg_D]

youngsyr said:

Greg_D said:

HRG. said:

10JH said:

Got it too!

Bloody hell, how come so many of us know the answer without looking...

I got it first time as well, the answer to your question is think of the highest concentration of asians that is where the dodgyness occurs, simple facts and statistics.........not racism. After all, all stereotypes have at least a basis in facts.

personally, I would rather it wasn't such a straightforward correlation, but look at the list and it screams out at you.

Greg

Look at the list of the poorest areas in the country and another correlation will scream out at you.

Similarly you need to look at crime statistics and concentration from before the UK experienced the mass immigration of the past 50 years or so.

If you think the level of criminality in an area is primarily caused by the race of its occupants rather than their poverty, then to my mind you are naive at best.

I take your point on board, but largely, i am comfortable with my comments, income does have a hand in the stats, but so does culture, and in my experience if there is a scam going there is usually an asian not very far from the middle of it.

I'm sorry if it offends your sensibilities, but that is how most people see it, myself included

Greg

[Shay HTFC]

Its just cultural differences.

Want to get stabbed, head to black inner city areas
Want to get beaten up by a muppet, head to white inner city areas
Want to get run over by an uninsured driver, head to asian inner city areas.
Want to buy a flashing, spinning piece of tat on a stick, head to chinese inner city areas.

[Greg_D]

Pickled Piper said:

Greg_D said:

HRG. said:

10JH said:

Got it too!

Bloody hell, how come so many of us know the answer without looking...

I got it first time as well, the answer to your question is think of the highest concentration of asians that is where the dodgyness occurs, simple facts and statistics.........not racism. After all, all stereotypes have at least a basis in facts.

personally, I would rather it wasn't such a straightforward correlation, but look at the list and it screams out at you.

Greg

I guessed Bradford as well. However, why let facts stand in the way of a vitreolic rant?

Bradford City Council said:

A profile by Bradford City Council describes the urban Barkerend ward as 'significantly more deprived' than the rest of the district - particularly in the areas of income, education and employment. Crime and criminal damage is 'well above average'.
Ethnically, it is described as 61 per cent white, 34 per cent Asian, 2 per cent mixed race, and 1.3 per cent black.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1215828/Re...

pp

Edited by Pickled Piper on Thursday 22 October 14:31

Please explain why you 'guessed' bradford, and be honest! you are desperately trying to make my comments out to be something that they are not, it was the worst 'vitriolic rant' i have ever heard if what you say is true. I'll bet you aren't even 'non white' just a typically guilt ridden WASP looking out for offence on other people's behalf, as for the stats, i would take them with a pinch of salt if i were you. If the police had the balls to publish the racist split of uninsured drivers it would paint a significantly more one-sided picture.

In short, Grow up

Greg

[Horse_Apple]

Shay HTFC said:

Its just cultural differences.

Want to get stabbed, head to black inner city areas
Want to get beaten up by a muppet, head to white inner city areas
Want to get run over by an uninsured driver, head to asian inner city areas.
Want to buy a flashing, spinning piece of tat on a stick, head to chinese inner city areas.

Want all four, come to London.

[jas xjr]

Scraggles said:

such a surprise not !

suspect many of the inhabitants do not understand the idea behind insurance as they never used to have it out in the villages where they came from, so why bother changing now...

do not know about pakistan but in punjab india , even in the villages insurance is a must or you will have to bung the local police should you get stopped. if you are out of your area the size of the bung increases drastically

[Shay HTFC]

jas xjr said:

Scraggles said:

such a surprise not !

suspect many of the inhabitants do not understand the idea behind insurance as they never used to have it out in the villages where they came from, so why bother changing now...

do not know about pakistan but in punjab india , even in the villages insurance is a must or you will have to bung the local police should you get stopped. if you are out of your area the size of the bung increases drastically

Exactly. In this case the 'bung' is the guy losing his £200 car or however much it cost.
Its a calculated risk-benefit analysis.

[fido]

Shay HTFC said:

Its just cultural differences.

Want to get stabbed, head to black inner city areas
Want to get beaten up by a muppet, head to white inner city areas
Want to get run over by an uninsured driver, head to asian inner city areas.
Want to buy a flashing, spinning piece of tat on a stick, head to chinese inner city areas.

I don't think the last one is breaking the law (unless the piece of tat in question is a pirate DVD or un-VAT'ed import). But yep, i think the only worthwhile generalisation in this thread, is that the law seems equally useless at sorting out these crimes.

[youngsyr]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

... and especially the part high-lighted in bold, is at best naive, and at worst, blatantly racist.

There are areas with a high concentration of Asians that, far from being crime hotspots, are in fact some of the most crime-free in the country. Indeed, I believe the richest person currently living in one of the most expensive areas in Britain is in fact Asian.

[youngsyr]

Greg_D said:

youngsyr said:

Greg_D said:

HRG. said:

10JH said:

Got it too!

Bloody hell, how come so many of us know the answer without looking...

I got it first time as well, the answer to your question is think of the highest concentration of asians that is where the dodgyness occurs, simple facts and statistics.........not racism. After all, all stereotypes have at least a basis in facts.

personally, I would rather it wasn't such a straightforward correlation, but look at the list and it screams out at you.

Greg

Look at the list of the poorest areas in the country and another correlation will scream out at you.

Similarly you need to look at crime statistics and concentration from before the UK experienced the mass immigration of the past 50 years or so.

If you think the level of criminality in an area is primarily caused by the race of its occupants rather than their poverty, then to my mind you are naive at best.

I take your point on board, but largely, i am comfortable with my comments, income does have a hand in the stats, but so does culture, and in my experience if there is a scam going there is usually an asian not very far from the middle of it.

I'm sorry if it offends your sensibilities, but that is how most people see it, myself included

Greg

Rest assured it would take a lot more than the content of your posts to offend my sensibilities, but I won't say that you don't need to appologise for it all the same.

[Pickled Piper]

fido said:

Shay HTFC said:

Its just cultural differences.

Want to get stabbed, head to black inner city areas
Want to get beaten up by a muppet, head to white inner city areas
Want to get run over by an uninsured driver, head to asian inner city areas.
Want to buy a flashing, spinning piece of tat on a stick, head to chinese inner city areas.

I don't think the last one is breaking the law (unless the piece of tat in question is a pirate DVD or un-VAT'ed import). But yep, i think the only worthwhile generalisation in this thread, is that the law seems equally useless at sorting out these crimes.

There is definitely a correlation a between ethnicity and the type of criminality people engage in. Speaking to a local Bib friend a while back, he advised the following:-

House break ins, burglary, general anti social behaviour- White youths
Car jacking and armed robbery - Black youths
Drug dealing and credit card fraud - Asian
The Chinese all appear to be well behaved round my way.

Lots of sweeping generalizations, of course.

pp

[fido]

I didn't think Asians did credit card fraud, or maybe they're just not very good at it. At least compared to Romanians. I reckon dodgy accountancy and company fraud is more the Asian (sub-continent) thing

[Pickled Piper]

fido said:

I didn't think Asians did credit card fraud, or maybe they're just not very good at it. At least compared to Romanians. I reckon dodgy accountancy and company fraud is more the Asian (sub-continent) thing

My list could be out of date or perhaps the Asians are just falling down the league table under pressure from the Eastern Europeans.

pp

[jas xjr]

Pickled Piper said:

fido said:

I didn't think Asians did credit card fraud, or maybe they're just not very good at it. At least compared to Romanians. I reckon dodgy accountancy and company fraud is more the Asian (sub-continent) thing

My list could be out of date or perhaps the Asians are just falling down the league table under pressure from the Eastern Europeans.

pp

in the 90's asians were very much into credit card fraud. then moved onto carousel trading.

[Shay HTFC]

The Chinese spinny tat was added as a bit of a joke at the end.

I would even go as far as to divide Asians into typical 'pakistani muslims' and 'Indians'. The cultures between these two groups of people is vastly different it seems.

In my area at least, the Indian people are kind, gentle, well educated and are a real credit to their nation.
The pakistanis/Bangladeshis etc are seemingly the ones that have the issues when it comes to crime and lack of tolerance/respect.

I believe this is due to the fact that the pakistanis were brought in for menial work in the textile factories of which there are many. They were low educated people from villages in the Kashmir etc, which are not as tolerant and open to other cultures.
This is fine when you live in somewhere that runs as you expect, but ship them to low income areas of the UK and its a bit different.

In addition to this, now they are stuck in a cultural cul-de-sac. I speak with lots of Asians and they say that they are rejected back in pakistan for almost being traitors with their Western lifestyles and yet here they are rejected for their Asian lifestyles and as such they take joy in intentionally not integrating somewhat.

Its just like when us Northerners go to London. We act extra northern, just to let the southerners know we are not one of them.


To sum the immigration situation up (as far as my part of the world in West Yorks goes), it would be akin to shipping over a load of stereotypically council house residents to pakistan. A potential recipe for disaster.


(I realise I may have gone somewhat off topic)

ETA: Why does PH automatically set all instances of the work pakistan to lower case?

Edited by Shay HTFC on Thursday 22 October 15:13

[TheEnd]

Remember, certain groups mix with certain types, and get involved with the favourite crime.

It won't be that people are genetically predisposed to be fraudsters, or burglars, just that's what their scumbag mates do.

[Trommel]

jas xjr said:

in the 90's asians were very much into credit card fraud. then moved onto carousel trading.

Bought at least one Veyron, allegedly.