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Shay HTFC said:
The Chinese spinny tat was added as a bit of a joke at the end.
I would even go as far as to divide Asians into typical 'pakistani muslims' and 'Indians'. The cultures between these two groups of people is vastly different it seems.
In my area at least, the Indian people are kind, gentle, well educated and are a real credit to their nation.
The pakistanis/Bangladeshis etc are seemingly the ones that have the issues when it comes to crime and lack of tolerance/respect.
I believe this is due to the fact that the pakistanis were brought in for menial work in the textile factories of which there are many. They were low educated people from villages in the Kashmir etc, which are not as tolerant and open to other cultures.
This is fine when you live in somewhere that runs as you expect, but ship them to low income areas of the UK and its a bit different.
In addition to this, now they are stuck in a cultural cul-de-sac. I speak with lots of Asians and they say that they are rejected back in pakistan for almost being traitors with their Western lifestyles and yet here they are rejected for their Asian lifestyles and as such they take joy in intentionally not integrating somewhat.
Its just like when us Northerners go to London. We act extra northern, just to let the southerners know we are not one of them.
To sum the immigration situation up (as far as my part of the world in West Yorks goes), it would be akin to shipping over a load of stereotypically council house residents to pakistan. A potential recipe for disaster.
(I realise I may have gone somewhat off topic)
ETA: Why does PH automatically set all instances of the work pakistan to lower case?
Some interesting points you make Shay. It may surprise you to know that until relatively recently, the socio economic split of immigrants from pakistan and India was essentially the same. In the fifties and early sixties the immigrants came from the same rural and semi rural backgrounds often from neighbouring villages. Both communities had an influx of Professional and business people from East Africa in the late sixties and early seventies. However, the progression that the first generation immigrants have made and also subsequent generations is markedly different. In the main the "Indian" immigrants" have excelled with incomes, standard of living etc well above the average for the UK. In start contrast the pakistani immigrants have remained largely static on the socio economic scale. There are definite cultural differences between the two communities although they are very often lumped together as Asian.I would even go as far as to divide Asians into typical 'pakistani muslims' and 'Indians'. The cultures between these two groups of people is vastly different it seems.
In my area at least, the Indian people are kind, gentle, well educated and are a real credit to their nation.
The pakistanis/Bangladeshis etc are seemingly the ones that have the issues when it comes to crime and lack of tolerance/respect.
I believe this is due to the fact that the pakistanis were brought in for menial work in the textile factories of which there are many. They were low educated people from villages in the Kashmir etc, which are not as tolerant and open to other cultures.
This is fine when you live in somewhere that runs as you expect, but ship them to low income areas of the UK and its a bit different.
In addition to this, now they are stuck in a cultural cul-de-sac. I speak with lots of Asians and they say that they are rejected back in pakistan for almost being traitors with their Western lifestyles and yet here they are rejected for their Asian lifestyles and as such they take joy in intentionally not integrating somewhat.
Its just like when us Northerners go to London. We act extra northern, just to let the southerners know we are not one of them.
To sum the immigration situation up (as far as my part of the world in West Yorks goes), it would be akin to shipping over a load of stereotypically council house residents to pakistan. A potential recipe for disaster.
(I realise I may have gone somewhat off topic)
ETA: Why does PH automatically set all instances of the work pakistan to lower case?
Edited by Shay HTFC on Thursday 22 October 15:13
There are a lot of statistics that make uncomfortable reading for the pakistani and Bangladeshi communities in this country and so tend to get hidden away. The differences is progression when compared with the Indians is often dismissed as being down to the back ground of the early immigrants. The data shows that this is simply not true. When the communities start facing up to this and looking inward instead of blaming outside factors, they finally start making some progress.
Anyway I don't want to take this thread off track.
ppEdited by Pickled Piper on Thursday 22 October 15:36
The system changes the P in pakistan to lower case -It's not how I typed it.
Edited by Pickled Piper on Thursday 22 October 15:38
Edited by Pickled Piper on Thursday 22 October 15:39
anonymous said:
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my sister sold a house in stoke on trent a few years ago, a two bedroomed terraced. the buyers paid over the asking price. i was refurbishing a property opposite.for the few months i worked on that house i never saw anyone come or go from the house my sister sold.the curtains were always drawn. after a few months it transpired that cannabis was being grown therepakistanis/Bangladeshis and Indians are vastly different people. Never confuse the two.
This is reflected in the their economic status pretty much everywhere they have chosen to settle in the world.
The Indians have made money and got on with their lives.
And the pakistanis/Bangladeshis have languished and struggled at the bottom.
There is a VERY controversial theory put forward in many cirlces about why this is so. It relates to which types of people converted to Islam during Moghul rule to escape the caste system, and during the splitting up of India, subsequently became pakistani.... and how the comparison of the relative performance of the two people today is attributable to the "quality" of their ancestor converts many years ago....
This is reflected in the their economic status pretty much everywhere they have chosen to settle in the world.
The Indians have made money and got on with their lives.
And the pakistanis/Bangladeshis have languished and struggled at the bottom.
There is a VERY controversial theory put forward in many cirlces about why this is so. It relates to which types of people converted to Islam during Moghul rule to escape the caste system, and during the splitting up of India, subsequently became pakistani.... and how the comparison of the relative performance of the two people today is attributable to the "quality" of their ancestor converts many years ago....
Murcielago_Boy said:
pakistanis/Bangladeshis and Indians are vastly different people. Never confuse the two.
This is reflected in the their economic status pretty much everywhere they have chosen to settle in the world.
The Indians have made money and got on with their lives.
And the pakistanis/Bangladeshis have languished and struggled at the bottom.
There is a VERY controversial theory put forward in many cirlces about why this is so. It relates to which types of people converted to Islam during Moghul rule to escape the caste system, and during the splitting up of India, subsequently became pakistani.... and how the comparison of the relative performance of the two people today is attributable to the "quality" of their ancestor converts many years ago....
i am of indian origin but i do know of some very successful pakistani businessmen. although the ones i know are not of a religious persuasion. i do not know any bangladeshis so cannot commentThis is reflected in the their economic status pretty much everywhere they have chosen to settle in the world.
The Indians have made money and got on with their lives.
And the pakistanis/Bangladeshis have languished and struggled at the bottom.
There is a VERY controversial theory put forward in many cirlces about why this is so. It relates to which types of people converted to Islam during Moghul rule to escape the caste system, and during the splitting up of India, subsequently became pakistani.... and how the comparison of the relative performance of the two people today is attributable to the "quality" of their ancestor converts many years ago....
jas xjr said:
Murcielago_Boy said:
pakistanis/Bangladeshis and Indians are vastly different people. Never confuse the two.
This is reflected in the their economic status pretty much everywhere they have chosen to settle in the world.
The Indians have made money and got on with their lives.
And the pakistanis/Bangladeshis have languished and struggled at the bottom.
There is a VERY controversial theory put forward in many cirlces about why this is so. It relates to which types of people converted to Islam during Moghul rule to escape the caste system, and during the splitting up of India, subsequently became pakistani.... and how the comparison of the relative performance of the two people today is attributable to the "quality" of their ancestor converts many years ago....
i am of indian origin but i do know of some very successful pakistani businessmen. although the ones i know are not of a religious persuasion. i do not know any bangladeshis so cannot commentThis is reflected in the their economic status pretty much everywhere they have chosen to settle in the world.
The Indians have made money and got on with their lives.
And the pakistanis/Bangladeshis have languished and struggled at the bottom.
There is a VERY controversial theory put forward in many cirlces about why this is so. It relates to which types of people converted to Islam during Moghul rule to escape the caste system, and during the splitting up of India, subsequently became pakistani.... and how the comparison of the relative performance of the two people today is attributable to the "quality" of their ancestor converts many years ago....
In the socio-economic hierarchy, I believe Bangladeshi's represent the most deprived communities in the UK. And pakistanis are not so far behind.
Murcielago_Boy said:
pakistanis/Bangladeshis and Indians are vastly different people. Never confuse the two.
This is reflected in the their economic status pretty much everywhere they have chosen to settle in the world.
The Indians have made money and got on with their lives.
And the pakistanis/Bangladeshis have languished and struggled at the bottom.
There is a VERY controversial theory put forward in many cirlces about why this is so. It relates to which types of people converted to Islam during Moghul rule to escape the caste system, and during the splitting up of India, subsequently became pakistani.... and how the comparison of the relative performance of the two people today is attributable to the "quality" of their ancestor converts many years ago....
I agree with you Murcielago_Boy. I am intrigued by the theory you put forward, but think it more likely that the differences in attainment are more down to outlook and attitude rather than ancestory. The Indians have shown themselves to be adept at climbing the Socio Economic ladder no matter what their back ground.This is reflected in the their economic status pretty much everywhere they have chosen to settle in the world.
The Indians have made money and got on with their lives.
And the pakistanis/Bangladeshis have languished and struggled at the bottom.
There is a VERY controversial theory put forward in many cirlces about why this is so. It relates to which types of people converted to Islam during Moghul rule to escape the caste system, and during the splitting up of India, subsequently became pakistani.... and how the comparison of the relative performance of the two people today is attributable to the "quality" of their ancestor converts many years ago....
pp
Horse_Apple said:
Shay HTFC said:
Its just cultural differences.
Want to get stabbed, head to black inner city areas
Want to get beaten up by a muppet, head to white inner city areas
Want to get run over by an uninsured driver, head to asian inner city areas.
Want to buy a flashing, spinning piece of tat on a stick, head to chinese inner city areas.
Want all four, come to London.Want to get stabbed, head to black inner city areas
Want to get beaten up by a muppet, head to white inner city areas
Want to get run over by an uninsured driver, head to asian inner city areas.
Want to buy a flashing, spinning piece of tat on a stick, head to chinese inner city areas.
Want to get stabbed,
Want to get beaten up by a muppet,
Want to get run over by an uninsured driver,
Want to buy a flashing, scrap metal
Go to a pikey camp.
Pickled Piper said:
Murcielago_Boy said:
pakistanis/Bangladeshis and Indians are vastly different people. Never confuse the two.
This is reflected in the their economic status pretty much everywhere they have chosen to settle in the world.
The Indians have made money and got on with their lives.
And the pakistanis/Bangladeshis have languished and struggled at the bottom.
There is a VERY controversial theory put forward in many cirlces about why this is so. It relates to which types of people converted to Islam during Moghul rule to escape the caste system, and during the splitting up of India, subsequently became pakistani.... and how the comparison of the relative performance of the two people today is attributable to the "quality" of their ancestor converts many years ago....
I agree with you Murcielago_Boy. I am intrigued by the theory you put forward, but think it more likely that the differences in attainment are more down to outlook and attitude rather than ancestory. The Indians have shown themselves to be adept at climbing the Socio Economic ladder no matter what their back ground.This is reflected in the their economic status pretty much everywhere they have chosen to settle in the world.
The Indians have made money and got on with their lives.
And the pakistanis/Bangladeshis have languished and struggled at the bottom.
There is a VERY controversial theory put forward in many cirlces about why this is so. It relates to which types of people converted to Islam during Moghul rule to escape the caste system, and during the splitting up of India, subsequently became pakistani.... and how the comparison of the relative performance of the two people today is attributable to the "quality" of their ancestor converts many years ago....
pp
Not a nice view, nor necessarily fair, but if you're so inclined you can support this view with stats or socio-economic development of the two races (wherever they are) today.
Pity is ASIAN is not the same as Indian.
Edited by Murcielago_Boy on Thursday 22 October 16:59
fatboy b said:
Is it me or have we been told for the past few years "the net is closing on uninsured drivers", but it isn't really if this article is true. Unless of course 3 out of 4 drivers used to be uninsured in Bradford 
Exactly.I'm sure we had the same headline about Bradford last year (and many years before that, probably)
So, what happens...they have a "crackdown" for a few weeks...then everything's back to normal??
fido said:
I didn't think Asians did credit card fraud, or maybe they're just not very good at it. At least compared to Romanians. I reckon dodgy accountancy and company fraud is more the Asian (sub-continent) thing
Every single case of credit card fraud that I recall reading about has involved a Petrol Station owned or run by Indian/pakistani/Bangladeshi's, totally anecdotal and the actual figures may be totally different.musclecarmad said:
Bradford and surrounding areas are dire!
I was driving through a place called girlington the other week - google it and look at some pics - its worse than any place abroad i have been.
I know what you mean. Especially those Bradford postcodes that are among the most expensive in Britain.I was driving through a place called girlington the other week - google it and look at some pics - its worse than any place abroad i have been.
Shay HTFC said:
musclecarmad said:
Bradford and surrounding areas are dire!
I was driving through a place called girlington the other week - google it and look at some pics - its worse than any place abroad i have been.
I know what you mean. Especially those Bradford postcodes that are among the most expensive in Britain.I was driving through a place called girlington the other week - google it and look at some pics - its worse than any place abroad i have been.
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