How did the UK end up with so much surveillance?...

[Spiritual_Beggar]

Marf said:

He don't know MrAnnieVXR very well, do he

Lol...nope.

Baker will find this particular argument is one he WON'T win.

[Yertis]

What's important isn't whether or not speeding is technically a crime or not, but whether normally law-abiding folk feel criminalised and lose respect for the Police when they are fined for wandering a few MPH over a speed limit which has remained unchanged for the last 40 years then lowered 10 mph last week.

[bakerjuk]

That doesnt mean he is right.

Thats like saying Gordon Brown is PM therefore whatever he says is right.
I researched this and found reems of material that says speeding is a criminal offence.

[odyssey2200]

bakerjuk said:

That doesnt mean he is right.

Thats like saying Gordon Brown is PM therefore whatever he says is right.
I researched this and found reems of material that says speeding is a criminal offence.

Doesn't mean that Anne will listen to you.

and you just wait until Von(I am The Law)hosen comes along,

which he will

Ots only a matter of time

[alfabadass]

RIPA regulates activities that were'nt before hand.

A private person or company can pretty much spy and film you without the need to follow any kind of legislation. RIPA is there to make it harder for the government to do so.

The fact that councils abuse it is a joke though, but what do you expect from lay people who have no legal training or responsibility.

[kiteless]

Mr_annie_vxr said:

Speeding is not a crime.

Interesting (genuinely).

I had a discussion with a local radio presenter about a year ago concerning speed cameras, and their effectiveness (or lack thereof) in road safety. His parting shot was, 'Thinking about what you've said, I'm not actually interested in whether speed cameras are there for safety or not. I'm interested in them catching law breakers'.

But you say speeding is not a crime.

So is the physical act of breaking a speed limit not in itself a crime, but being caught in the act of doing so a crime?

[OnTheOverrun]

Speeding is a crime.

"Speeding is a criminal offence. It is an offence prosecuted by the CPS
on behalf of the Crown. The standard of proof required is guilt beyond
reasonable doubt.

A "civil offence" is a misuse of the term or it is not used in
context. In the distinction between criminal and civil law there are
only criminal "offences". There are civil "wrongs" (torts) and
"breaches" (ie of contracts). Generally speaking a (criminal)
"offence" must be punished by the state. A civil wrong or breach is
merely compensated and is between private individuals (or the state as
a PRIVATE PARTY to a civil dispute).

A confusion may arise in the distinction between civil law and
military law, or civil law and common law. However, these are not the
contexts used here.

Put simply, any action which is punished (prosecuted) by the state is
a criminal offence. Any action which leads to an individual being sued
(NOT prosecuted) by another individual is a civil dispute."

You'd think a copper would know that wouldn't you?

[Guybrush]

kiteless said:

I had a discussion with a local radio presenter about a year ago concerning speed cameras, and their effectiveness (or lack thereof) in road safety. His parting shot was, 'Thinking about what you've said, I'm not actually interested in whether speed cameras are there for safety or not. I'm interested in them catching law breakers'.

When you've won the argument, such people usually reveal their true agenda; it's a symptom of socialism - it's all about compliance with no questioning.

[bakerjuk]

I just remember that when I was security vetted for government work I was required to tell them of ALL criminal convictions and the form clearly said "including motoring convictions".