That's it, nuke the lot of 'em and be done with it

[gareth_r]

WreckedGecko said:

Eric Mc said:

They are a fiercely independent people. They resent foreign interference in their affairs. They don't even like the idea of central government from Kabul by their own people. They are tribal by nature and did not want or understand Western style democracy. Therefore, trying to enforce such a system on them is a total waste of time.

Exactly so. We couldn't do it in 1842, 1880, or 1919, and Russia couldn't do it in the 80s.

I wonder if the military, who, presumably, know the history of our attempts to occupy Afghanistan, really believe that they can "win".

If Britain didn't succeed in 1842 and 1881, when we were the world power, and another world power failed 20 years ago, why would they believe that this time would be any different?

Edited by gareth_r on Thursday 5th November 16:13

[southendpier]

in terms of War though the losses suffered by the UK in this conflict is paltry. We have a military and it is being used to protect our interest.

There will be losses. The losses should not be in vain, lesson will be learnt. - Someon mention the turncoat was out of it on H - really? If so then our boys should not have let him go on patrol surely?

It would be a massive loss of face to walk out now. The Politicans and Military leaders need a copmrehensive strategy to deal with this mess - this is what we have not got.

[Mr Dave]

A pakistani I work with is from near Afghanistan, his opinion is that there is one way to stop the majority of the fighting.

Get the Americans out of the place, and the British, who generally have a good reputation with most countries, have had their reputation damaged by going along with the Americans should leave too.

Get in a multinational force from all over except perhaps the russian states to lead a properly funded and backed.

Or kill them all.

Anyway what a big brave thing that guy done. Hopefully his family gets bombed by the yanks.

[Fittster]

Mr Dave said:

Hopefully his family gets bombed by the yanks.

Fair chance that's already happened but no one bothers to count dead civilians.

[anonymous-user]

Asterix said:

Nappa said:

...and not let the Taliban return to set-up training camps, and cultivate and export Opium.

Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 4th November 11:52

I thought the Taliban was actively trying to wipe out the Opium trade as they saw it as immoral but the local warlords fought back as it was their main source of income?

Which makes me think have the opium growing plots been carpet bombed yet?

[anonymous-user]

Soovy said:

heebeegeetee said:

How would you feel about the muslim nations invading us, killing a lot of people, attempting to turn our political system into one based on an imaginary friend and a book, for our own good.........

That's EXACTLY what's happened!!


1. Mass immigration
2. 7/7 anyone?
3. They're demadning Sharia Law


FFS!

Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 4th November 12:31

Oh fk off! And your cycle....

1. How many eastern europeans are muslim?
2. One incident which is full of conspiracy and wker stories
3. Other than 'mullah fk westeners' the majority Muslim populace has not been demanding sharia law

[AndrewW-G]

Shaid GTB said:

Asterix said:

Nappa said:

...and not let the Taliban return to set-up training camps, and cultivate and export Opium.

Edited by Nappa on Wednesday 4th November 11:52

I thought the Taliban was actively trying to wipe out the Opium trade as they saw it as immoral but the local warlords fought back as it was their main source of income?

Which makes me think have the opium growing plots been carpet bombed yet?

No doubt it's mixed in with other crops in a similar fashion to the cocaine growing areas of Columbia

[anonymous-user]

AndrewW-G said:

Shaid GTB said:

Asterix said:

Nappa said:

...and not let the Taliban return to set-up training camps, and cultivate and export Opium.

Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 4th November 11:52

I thought the Taliban was actively trying to wipe out the Opium trade as they saw it as immoral but the local warlords fought back as it was their main source of income?

Which makes me think have the opium growing plots been carpet bombed yet?

No doubt it's mixed in with other crops in a similar fashion to the cocaine growing areas of Columbia

I never thought of that... i'd be such a crap drug farmer.....

[Fittster]

Nappa said:

Shaid GTB said:

AndrewW-G said:

Shaid GTB said:

Asterix said:

Nappa said:

...and not let the Taliban return to set-up training camps, and cultivate and export Opium.

Edited by Nappa on Wednesday 4th November 11:52

I thought the Taliban was actively trying to wipe out the Opium trade as they saw it as immoral but the local warlords fought back as it was their main source of income?

Which makes me think have the opium growing plots been carpet bombed yet?

No doubt it's mixed in with other crops in a similar fashion to the cocaine growing areas of Columbia

I never thought of that... i'd be such a crap drug farmer.....

Well, the opium plots can be used to produce things other than Heroin, which is what Afghan farmers are being encouraged to do. If we carpet bomb their cultivated land, we are likely to render it useless to them, and we don't want to upset more Afghan people than we have to, for the purpose of quick wins.
However, the compounds where the Opium is 'cooked' into Heroin, (I am no expert, but I believe that's how it's done) are raided/bombed e.t.c. as soon as they are identified.

I wonder how much the NHS spends buying opiates each year. If only we could find a cheap, plentiful resource.

[Yertis]

Nappa said:

If we carpet bomb their cultivated land, we are likely to render it useless to them...

But I think poppies grow quite well on newly bombarded land don't they?

[heebeegeetee]

Nappa said:

Well, the opium plots can be used to produce things other than Heroin, which is what Afghan farmers are being encouraged to do. If we carpet bomb their cultivated land, we are likely to render it useless to them, and we don't want to upset more Afghan people than we have to, for the purpose of quick wins.
However, the compounds where the Opium is 'cooked' into Heroin, (I am no expert, but I believe that's how it's done) are raided/bombed e.t.c. as soon as they are identified.

According to George Galloway this evening , the UN commended the Taliban at some point for their work in reducing the poppy yields, but since the British Army moved into the area the yields went up by 800%.

(I forget which precise area he was talking about now. )

[LMC]

A government spokeman stated "we will pull out all the stops to ensure this person is brought to justice".

I wish to God he'd shortened that sentence, just before the word "all".

I really do, an uneccessary waste of life IMO.

[MikeCR]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

+1

[Tiggsy]

what is it with this war? we (the public) dont want any part of it yet all our soilders are heros for joining to go there and now we want to send people there to prove they want to live here? I'd need a lobotomy to go there....do i need to leave the UK?

[anonymous-user]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

No that's a dumb idea, many people coming here are trying to get away from war zones/poverty etc...

Afghanistan isn't a playground either, how long until some pissed off afghan decides that he's going to play war games in the uk??? do you really want that to happen? i don't!

The solution unfortunately isn't simple at all, if Britain leaves then the Americans are left behind to do whatever the hell they want to and believe me they will make a mess of things there. Who knows what the solution is...

[alfabadass]

Why get foreigners to fight a war that a country's own citizens won't fight?