Winky - you have less than 150 days!

[Morningside]

muckymotor said:

snowy slopes said:

Never fking happen people, i live in yorkshire(okay south yorkshire, but its still yorkshire) and as long as i have a hole in my arse people will always vote for labour. Y'see its because labour is best for t'working man, always has been, always will be. Not like t'conservatives, full of sleaze, party of t'southern yuppies, and the only good things to come out of the south, are t'a1 and t'm1 cos they go norff see.


Sadly this is the view of the average person where i live, and of course the fact i was born in the north east doesnt count, because i moved north form the south, im a southerner and scum, the sort of scum labour should b kicking out of t'country and protexcting t'working man. Come the next election, they WILL get back in again, and our lives will be ruined,especially when they hand over half of this country's power to europe, mark my words people










Edited to add: I'm not tarring everyone from yorkshire with the same brush, i have met some very nice people up here, and have some great friends up here, mostly in north yorkshire but yorkshire nonetheless

Edited by snowy slopes on Saturday 2nd January 15:11

This is suprisingly true. Labour could increase income tax to 95% and many of my neighbours here in The Peoples Republic of South Yorkshire would still vote for them.

Whenever it is mentioned that *cue northern accent 'Labour is for the working man'. I remind them that is was 'their' Labour party that banned smoking in pubs.

Also, laughingly the local Labour club has closed due to lack of members.


I think it will be a close thing. People may want Labour out but dont exactly want Cameron either - The toff statement is now starting to rise again and with voting dilution due to UKIP, Green and dare I mention BMP I think it will be a hard fight.

[Ayahuasca]

[Zod]

YAD061 said:

spaximus said:

It is very true of South Yorkshire where I was born, a red rosette on a donkey will beat the tories there. Margeret Thatcher destroyed the coal industry and took school milk of the bairns and they will never forgive that. Even though many got to buy their council house for next to nothing,like my Fil,they will never let facts get in the way of hatred.

Hopefully the rest of the country will still see him off.

I was living in Retford when it happened, she decimated the economy in that region for ever

I don't think your irony detection system is working.

[Pesty]

musclecarmad said:

Oilchange said:

Perhaps they should raise income tax in Yorkshire to 95% ...

no one pays tax in Yorkshire as there are very few professional PAYE jobs.

the wealthy people are car dealers, builders, taxi company owners, shop owners etc etc etc. They pay no tax anyway!

you'd be surprised at how few employed people in Yorkshire as a whole earn over £25,000.

Yes, yes I would could youy give us the figures? or is this just assumption hows does S yprkshire compare with Lincolnshire? Devon, someset for example?

[SeeFive]

spaximus said:

It is very true of South Yorkshire where I was born, a red rosette on a donkey will beat the tories there. Margeret Thatcher destroyed the coal industry and took school milk of the bairns and they will never forgive that. Even though many got to buy their council house for next to nothing,like my Fil,they will never let facts get in the way of hatred.

If you check your facts, as the Minister for Education at the time, she was the only person in the cabinet to vote AGAINST removing milk from pupils.

As for the mines, successive governments non-investment in the coal industry over the previous 30 years had resulted in an uncompetitive, union run industry that was costing the country millions on a daily basis. The options were to invest zillions that the (previous government had left us without) into it to modernise, and leave the unions running it holding us to ransom every winter, or cut out losses and start to rationalise the less productive pits.

Tough decisions, but that is what makes leaders - taking tough decisions rather than worrying about popularity in the media.

Edited by SeeFive on Sunday 3rd January 13:16

[JakeR]

SeeFive said:

If you check your facts, as the Minister for Education at the time, she was the only person in the cabinet to vote AGAINST removing milk from pupils.

As for the mines, successive governments non-investment in the coal industry over the previous 30 years had resulted in an uncompetitive, union run industry that was costing the country millions on a daily basis. The options were to invest zillions that the (previous government had left us without) into it to modernise, and leave the unions running it holding us to ransom every winter, or cut out losses and start to rationalise the less productive pits.

Tough decisions, but that is what makes leaders - taking tough decisions rather than worrying about popularity in the media.

I dont disagree with what you've said at all, and I am no fan of Labour, however, imo, the biggest mistake the Thatcher era Tories made was not succeeding to cushion the blow of the pit closures/the early 80s recession for those worst affected. This has left, as Snowy Slopes said, huge numbers of people with blind prejudice against anything in a blue rosette. There are large areas of the country, and large numbers of people throughout the land that will still blindly vote Labour because of 'that Thatcher'. See also Groak's posts on here about the feeling of the Scots towards the Conservatives.

Anyone with half a mind can see what a total mess Labour have made (again), but far too many people are too filled with bile to trust the Tories again. And that is a big shame, as we need a strong party with a good majority to clean up the mess. At present, the Tories are the only party with any chance of doing that.

If The Tories do get in again, and do have a workable majority, I hope to goodness they can try to keep more people 'on side', maybe even win a few of 't'working men' over to their point of view...

[YAD061]

Zod said:

YAD061 said:

spaximus said:

It is very true of South Yorkshire where I was born, a red rosette on a donkey will beat the tories there. Margeret Thatcher destroyed the coal industry and took school milk of the bairns and they will never forgive that. Even though many got to buy their council house for next to nothing,like my Fil,they will never let facts get in the way of hatred.

Hopefully the rest of the country will still see him off.

I was living in Retford when it happened, she decimated the economy in that region for ever

I don't think your irony detection system is working.

I think you're right........my point still stands though

[SeeFive]

JakeR said:

SeeFive said:

If you check your facts, as the Minister for Education at the time, she was the only person in the cabinet to vote AGAINST removing milk from pupils.

As for the mines, successive governments non-investment in the coal industry over the previous 30 years had resulted in an uncompetitive, union run industry that was costing the country millions on a daily basis. The options were to invest zillions that the (previous government had left us without) into it to modernise, and leave the unions running it holding us to ransom every winter, or cut out losses and start to rationalise the less productive pits.

Tough decisions, but that is what makes leaders - taking tough decisions rather than worrying about popularity in the media.

I dont disagree with what you've said at all, and I am no fan of Labour, however, imo, the biggest mistake the Thatcher era Tories made was not succeeding to cushion the blow of the pit closures/the early 80s recession for those worst affected. This has left, as Snowy Slopes said, huge numbers of people with blind prejudice against anything in a blue rosette. There are large areas of the country, and large numbers of people throughout the land that will still blindly vote Labour because of 'that Thatcher'. See also Groak's posts on here about the feeling of the Scots towards the Conservatives.

Anyone with half a mind can see what a total mess Labour have made (again), but far too many people are too filled with bile to trust the Tories again. And that is a big shame, as we need a strong party with a good majority to clean up the mess. At present, the Tories are the only party with any chance of doing that.

If The Tories do get in again, and do have a workable majority, I hope to goodness they can try to keep more people 'on side', maybe even win a few of 't'working men' over to their point of view...

I recognise everything that you say there, and of course being able to magically come up with hundreds of thousands of jobs in an area where there were none would have been nice. Sadly, despite best efforts, and morons like Tebbit spouting bks, it didn't happen. But we did stop wasting a £1000 for every ton of coal dragged out of the floor.

Of course, writing policy to attract the deluded is a practice of the left. I sincerely hope that the Tories do not descend down that pit any further than they already have over Climate Change etc.

If we want to get this island back on its feet, it's going to be tough make no mistakes, and probably going to take someone with a bigger ego / balls / thick skin than Thatcher showed to make those decisions. After this last shower of ste, this country is probably even more screwed than it was when Thatcher came to power - and the unions are becoming more disruptive again as we have seen over the last 18 months. So it's gonna take some radical measures to sort it out in a first term in office IMO.

Any takers for the job? Not me thanks.

[Morningside]

TVR Moneypit said:

snowy slopes said:

Never fking happen people, i live in yorkshire(okay south yorkshire, but its still yorkshire) and as long as i have a hole in my arse people will always vote for labour. Y'see its because labour is best for t'working man, always has been, always will be. Not like t'conservatives, full of sleaze, party of t'southern yuppies, and the only good things to come out of the south, are t'a1 and t'm1 cos they go norff see.


Sadly this is the view of the average person where i live, and of course the fact i was born in the north east doesnt count, because i moved north form the south, im a southerner and scum, the sort of scum labour should b kicking out of t'country and protexcting t'working man. Come the next election, they WILL get back in again, and our lives will be ruined,especially when they hand over half of this country's power to europe, mark my words people

Your bang on the money Snowy. Yorkshire here also, (Sheffield), and I know plenty of folk who blame all of Labours fk-ups and failings on 'Maggie'.

War in Iraq / No WMD? Maggies fault.
Cash for honours? Maggies fault.
Dr Kellys death? Maggies fault?
High goverment debt than ever? Maggies fault.
Unemployment over 3 million? Maggies fault?
Uncontrolled immergration? Maggies fault.

etc, etc.

fking mong retards.

But the Tories will get rid of our £250 a year heating allowance - That was the response from our next door neighbour.

[Pesty]

TVR Moneypit said:

Your bang on the money Snowy. Yorkshire here also, (Sheffield), and I know plenty of folk who blame all of Labours fk-ups and failings on 'Maggie'.

.

Me too, Ive said it on here in the past. However things are changing if slowly.

Did the Labour guy get voted in as mayor of Doncaster? No he bloody did'nt

I was in the market place in the mid 90's when the Tory candidate came around in his car with his loud speaker. There was not a single piece of fruit of veg left them potatoes must have made a mess

anyway that would not happen here, now. A lot (me included) have figgured out that these s are just as bad as the last s.

Speaking for myself but I think this would ring true for others of my age. When I was growing up during the minors strike etc etc Seeing old men beaten up by London coppers I was told

"It will all get better son when labour get in". Well it has not the firt thing they did was piss shampagne up the wall and have parties with fking pop stars they had a bigger drinks bill that the fking tories then the dome etc etc wars etc etc.

I want no part of this 2 party farce anymore. I don't care if a vote for anybody is a vote for labour or whatever. I will not vote for Lab or cons

Edited by Pesty on Sunday 3rd January 14:39

[groucho]

TVR Moneypit said:

Teppic said:

I wouldn't be at all surprised if there is a "terrorist incident" (or something else) in approx 130 days that will result in the election being postponed indefinitely...

Bookies already taking bets. The odds offered aren't as great as you'd imagine.

Radio 1 new this afternoon, winky mentions the T word and how "we're expecting a new attack"

You could be right. Not you winky!

[dcb]

SeeFive said:

As for the mines, successive governments non-investment in the coal industry over the previous 30 years had resulted in an uncompetitive, union run industry that was costing the country millions on a daily basis. The options were to invest zillions that the (previous government had left us without) into it to modernise, and leave the unions running it holding us to ransom every winter, or cut out losses and start to rationalise the less productive pits.

I think I'm right in saying that the price of coal from British pits
was substantially higher than the price from the Australian pits,
even taking into account carting it half way around the world.

AFAIK, the same price issue was true for coal from the USA and
the Silesian pits of SW Poland.

Keeping uneconomic pits going past their sell by date was always
the union leaders preferred option, but fortunately those in charge
were economically literate.

SeeFive said:

Tough decisions, but that is what makes leaders - taking tough decisions rather than worrying about popularity in the media.

Quite - loathe her or merely despise her, Thatcher still looks like
the strongest PM since the war and UK plc seemed to be much
better in 1990 when she left office than 1979 when she started.

[spaximus]

SeeFive said:

spaximus said:

It is very true of South Yorkshire where I was born, a red rosette on a donkey will beat the tories there. Margeret Thatcher destroyed the coal industry and took school milk of the bairns and they will never forgive that. Even though many got to buy their council house for next to nothing,like my Fil,they will never let facts get in the way of hatred.

If you check your facts, as the Minister for Education at the time, she was the only person in the cabinet to vote AGAINST removing milk from pupils.

As for the mines, successive governments non-investment in the coal industry over the previous 30 years had resulted in an uncompetitive, union run industry that was costing the country millions on a daily basis. The options were to invest zillions that the (previous government had left us without) into it to modernise, and leave the unions running it holding us to ransom every winter, or cut out losses and start to rationalise the less productive pits.

Tough decisions, but that is what makes leaders - taking tough decisions rather than worrying about popularity in the media.

Edited by SeeFive on Sunday 3rd January 13:16

Totally agree, what I said was that is how she is seen by those in South Yorkshire of a certain type. In a 100 years time some will still blame Thatcher for everything that has happened since. I still know families who do not speak after the miners strike which spilt them, there is still belief that the Union was let down and it would all have been okay if they had got full support from other unions. Some will never ever vote for anyone other than labour in that area.

[Pesty]

spaximus said:

I still know families who do not speak after the miners strike which spilt them,

Thats a slightly different issue.

But I agree there will alway be types here who would vote Labour if they were convicted donky rapists.

Look what affect doncastergate had on voters f all they still voted for labour councilors. Doncaster was the most corrupt council in the country.

But As I said above it iss getting better. Its mainly the old ones who stick to their guns. They pay no attention teh rest of teh year but then all of a sudden become political during election time.

[MOTORVATOR]

You have to remember that because of malapportionment and gerrymandering the cons need a far greater percentage of the vote than labour to win.

In fact they need something like 25-30% more than labour to be able to form a majority government whereas labour only need to field the same number as cons to be able to.

If they get in this time they need to sort this, once and for all, to stop the debacle we have had over the last years with labour, particularly with Scotland now they have there own parliament.

Still looks on track at the moment.

http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/

[clarkey318is]

Those election predictions can't be right, nobody in their right mind would vote for them!
I'm voting for UKIP, the Conservatives will be just as bad as Labour anyway and it's about time there was a change. Hopefully the belief in Global Warming will have subsided by then and people will realise how much money Labour have wasted. Unfortunately what it boils down to is how many empty promises are made to benefit scammers by respective parties.

[dandarez]

PLEASE don't think things will be better if the Tories get in. I've lived under all persuasions for nearly 60 years. Usually Joe Public is marginally slightly better off under Labour but don't forget, what you have had since Bliar took office is Noo Labur, NOT Labour! Completely different animal as we have found out to our cost.

Tuppence on this, a penny on that, 5p on this, 10p on that, makes no difference. Both Tories and Labour do it. They're all the same. Anything that hits Joe Public - fuel, beer, spirits, fags, road tax, then it moved up a big brother gear under this shower, even pay to park at the hospital!

But the real DIFFERENCE has been this bl**dy shower's lies and cover-ups, the constant creep, creep, surveillance on every member of the public and the ideological, mad, politically-correct culture that has taken this country beyond any previous recognition, even it's domiciled peoples has changed so much that it is now visible on 'any' street!

And so much still goes almost unseen and unheard.
The New Labour ID card scheme. Mad. We thought it had been abandoned. No. It's still being implemented in a creep manner. Did you here about the bright(!) British student who recently bought a 'Noo Labor' ID card (30 quid) and, wait for it, had to produce his British Passport to obtain it!
He listened and 'believed' the NL propaganda and decided to travel Europe with his new found ID card. He didn't get far. He was soon turned away and told to go back home and get his passport. Worse, he is now stuck on Noo Labor's Home Office database... FOR LIFE! He has no choice but to renew the useless Noo Labor ID card when it becomes renewable or face a £1,000 fine, and ditto, ditto. Poor educated soul.

Here's another not too well known Noo Labor goody! Did you know that if you live on one of the UK's Channel Islands you no longer get free access to the NHS if visiting your own major land mass, ie: mainland UK.

As from April the Isle of Man's inhabitants will be the latest to suffer this indignity, even if they have worked much of their life in England and/or paid into the NHS and have their UK passport.

Should any IOM resident decide to pay a visit anywhere in this country and have any reason to visit a GP or have the misfortune to fall ill whilst here, they will have to PAY. It will also become recipricol (who can blame the Isle of Man, so if YOU visit there, you'll now have to pay if you have the unfortunate need for medical care while there).

YET this sh*te Noo Labour shower don't have a problem if you are from the other side of the world, such as Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Armenia, Azerbaijan to name a few, and can't speak a bl**dy word of English, we have arrangements(!) with them that they receive and continue to receive FREE access and medical treatment at OUR cost on OUR NHS. Stinks!

This is what the creep creep chattering classes are doing to this (once) proud nation.

There is only ONE reason to vote Tory (no other reason, cos they'll probably be just as bad) and that is to prevent Noo Labur getting back in.

And I will do so if it looks a close run thing.
With the Brits anything can happen, they are so easily brainwashed. If it looks like no problem for the Tories I'm voting what a LOT of Brits are currently thinking about doing (judging by the numbers who I talk to) and that is TO VOTE FOR UKIP for a COMPLETE change!
(just waiting for them to come out their trapdoor - they are too bl**dy quiet at the moment).

Re the old Tories, people slag Maggie off but at least she was a principled politician and she stood her corner, and on occasions, 'ours'! I was no real fan but she was in a different league to Liar Bliar and Duff Broon.

A recent disclosure shows that when the Tory hierachy wanted to let in 10,000 Vietnamese boat people into the UK, Maggie angrily said those who were favourable to this (the beginnings of the politically-correct elite brigade)
'should be invited to EACH take one into THEIR homes!'

Bet that shut them up!

Edited by dandarez on Monday 4th January 01:03

[Tangent Police]

dandarez said:

PLEASE don't think things will be better if the Tories get in. I've lived under all persuasions for nearly 60 years. Usually Joe Public is marginally slightly better off under Labour but don't forget, what you have had since Bliar took office is Noo Labur, NOT Labour! Completely different animal as we have found out to our cost.

Tuppence on this, a penny on that, 5p on this, 10p on that, makes no difference. Both Tories and Labour do it. They're all the same. Anything that hits Joe Public - fuel, beer, spirits, fags, road tax, then it moved up a big brother gear under this shower, even pay to park at the hospital!

But the real DIFFERENCE has been this bl**dy shower's lies and cover-ups, the constant creep, creep, surveillance on every member of the public and the ideological, mad, politically-correct culture that has taken this country beyond any previous recognition, even it's domiciled peoples has changed so much that it is now visible on 'any' street!

And so much still goes almost unseen and unheard.
The New Labour ID card scheme. Mad. We thought it had been abandoned. No. It's still being implemented in a creep manner. Did you here about the bright(!) British student who recently bought a 'Noo Labor' ID card (30 quid) and, wait for it, had to produce his British Passport to obtain it!
He listened and 'believed' the NL propaganda and decided to travel Europe with his new found ID card. He didn't get far. He was soon turned away and told to go back home and get his passport. Worse, he is now stuck on Noo Labor's Home Office database... FOR LIFE! He has no choice but to renew the useless Noo Labor ID card when it becomes renewable or face a £1,000 fine, and ditto, ditto. Poor educated soul.

Here's another not too well known Noo Labor goody! Did you know that if you live on one of the UK's Channel Islands you no longer get free access to the NHS if visiting your own major land mass, ie: mainland UK.

As from April the Isle of Man's inhabitants will be the latest to suffer this indignity, even if they have worked much of their life in England and/or paid into the NHS and have their UK passport.

Should any IOM resident decide to pay a visit anywhere in this country and have any reason to visit a GP or have the misfortune to fall ill whilst here, they will have to PAY. It will also become recipricol (who can blame the Isle of Man, so if YOU visit there, you'll now have to pay if you have the unfortunate need for medical care while there).

YET this sh*te Noo Labour shower don't have a problem if you are from the other side of the world, such as Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Armenia, Azerbaijan to name a few, and can't speak a bl**dy word of English, we have arrangements(!) with them that they receive and continue to receive FREE access and medical treatment at OUR cost on OUR NHS. Stinks!

This is what the creep creep chattering classes are doing to this (once) proud nation.

There is only ONE reason to vote Tory (no other reason, cos they'll probably be just as bad) and that is to prevent Noo Labur getting back in.

And I will do so if it looks a close run thing.
With the Brits anything can happen, they are so easily brainwashed. If it looks like no problem for the Tories I'm voting what a LOT of Brits are currently thinking about doing (judging by the numbers who I talk to) and that is TO VOTE FOR UKIP for a COMPLETE change!
(just waiting for them to come out their trapdoor - they are too bl**dy quiet at the moment).

Re the old Tories, people slag Maggie off but at least she was a principled politician and she stood her corner, and on occasions, 'ours'! I was no real fan but she was in a different league to Liar Bliar and Duff Broon.

A recent disclosure shows that when the Tory hierachy wanted to let in 10,000 Vietnamese boat people into the UK, Maggie angrily said those who were favourable to this (the beginnings of the politically-correct elite brigade)
'should be invited to EACH take one into THEIR homes!'

Bet that shut them up!

Edited by dandarez on Monday 4th January 01:03

I think it was Chomsky who said "If you don't believe in a change, you won't get one".

A vote for tories is a vote for New Labour with blue ties from a point of ideology and policy, it seems.

UKIP best represent my libertarian interests and wishes.

A lot of tory voters could come off the grey line and vote UKIP, not simply for the Euro/waste aspect, but for the libertarian approach which is lacking in every other political party in the UK.

We need a set of social democrats (not 3). We then need a libertarian party and a socialist party and then whoever gets in applying a bit of democracy (not in name only) by actually listening to it's people.

I've read a fair bit about ruling classes and how they influence the media/policy and I've come to a conclusion that in our case, the politicans are the true ruling class.

This is bad and a part of the reason things are so far removed from action and actual difference. It's a case of who can get the most time in the trough.

Unless this is sorted out, there will be civil unrest at some point.

You can't continue with a set of parties which are at total odds with the wishes of the electorate.

Edited by Tangent Police on Monday 4th January 01:24

[dandarez]

An interesting aside I came across when discussing UKIP with others is what one supporter of them said. That they should start referring to themselves in 'full', ie: they are the 'UNITED KINGDOM INDEPENDENCE PARTY'.

Then more of joe public will understand. The abbreviated 'UKIP' to a good section of joe public, I can see, is catchy but means little.

[mybrainhurts]

dandarez said:

PLEASE don't think things will be better if the Tories get in. I've lived under all persuasions for nearly 60 years. Usually Joe Public is marginally slightly better off under Labour but don't forget, what you have had since Bliar took office is Noo Labur, NOT Labour! Completely different animal as we have found out to our cost.

Oh, right...

You've forgotten 99% top rate of income tax under Wilson, then, have you?

You've forgotten this Chancer of the Exchequer --->

Bragging that he's going to tax you until the pips squeak, then, have you?

Labour or New Labour...they're both fundamentally control freaks. All socialists are.