Winky - you have less than 150 days!
Discussion
mybrainhurts said:
dandarez said:
PLEASE don't think things will be better if the Tories get in. I've lived under all persuasions for nearly 60 years. Usually Joe Public is marginally slightly better off under Labour but don't forget, what you have had since Bliar took office is Noo Labur, NOT Labour! Completely different animal as we have found out to our cost.
Oh, right...You've forgotten 99% top rate of income tax under Wilson, then, have you?
You've forgotten this Chancer of the Exchequer --->
Bragging that he's going to tax you until the pips squeak, then, have you?
Labour or New Labour...they're both fundamentally control freaks. All socialists are.
They all know best how to manage you, as you are greedy, selfish and irresponsible. You can't be trusted to form and look after your own communities, so they have to intervene, disrupt traditional organisations and supplement their own versions.
Interference in the name of a very very twisted concept of liberalism.
Tangent Police said:
mybrainhurts said:
dandarez said:
PLEASE don't think things will be better if the Tories get in. I've lived under all persuasions for nearly 60 years. Usually Joe Public is marginally slightly better off under Labour but don't forget, what you have had since Bliar took office is Noo Labur, NOT Labour! Completely different animal as we have found out to our cost.
Oh, right...You've forgotten 99% top rate of income tax under Wilson, then, have you?
You've forgotten this Chancer of the Exchequer --->
Bragging that he's going to tax you until the pips squeak, then, have you?
Labour or New Labour...they're both fundamentally control freaks. All socialists are.
They all know best how to manage you, as you are greedy, selfish and irresponsible. You can't be trusted to form and look after your own communities, so they have to intervene, disrupt traditional organisations and supplement their own versions.
Interference in the name of a very very twisted concept of liberalism.
mybrainhurts said:
Tangent Police said:
mybrainhurts said:
dandarez said:
PLEASE don't think things will be better if the Tories get in. I've lived under all persuasions for nearly 60 years. Usually Joe Public is marginally slightly better off under Labour but don't forget, what you have had since Bliar took office is Noo Labur, NOT Labour! Completely different animal as we have found out to our cost.
Oh, right...You've forgotten 99% top rate of income tax under Wilson, then, have you?
You've forgotten this Chancer of the Exchequer --->
Bragging that he's going to tax you until the pips squeak, then, have you?
Labour or New Labour...they're both fundamentally control freaks. All socialists are.
They all know best how to manage you, as you are greedy, selfish and irresponsible. You can't be trusted to form and look after your own communities, so they have to intervene, disrupt traditional organisations and supplement their own versions.
Interference in the name of a very very twisted concept of liberalism.
It's like breaking a bone, or getting a tooth knocked out or having a massive deep cut.
No wonder people don't want to vote!
Tangent Police said:
I think the illiberal dumbocrats take the biscuit in this case.
It's like breaking a bone, or getting a tooth knocked out or having a massive deep cut.
No wonder people don't want to vote!
It's not so much that people do not want to vote. It is that there is no real differentiation between the major parties today, and no real qualities of leadership on display, and no visible plan to succeed going forward.It's like breaking a bone, or getting a tooth knocked out or having a massive deep cut.
No wonder people don't want to vote!
It's all bandwagon, spin and PR soundbites, and of course the ability to completely ignore millions of people that petition parliament every year against unfair legislation.
The day when someone steps up and says something with a potential to change the situation in the UK, irrespective of the popularity hit that person may suffer, but with a level of honesty as to how that change will be felt by the populous (honest expectation setting) to achieve the benefit is gone.
Years ago, they kissed babies. Now they kiss spin doctors arses.
If someone can show me a different but sensible approach, complete with cost and impact on my taxes, and the likely short and longer term outcome (with milestones) to:
Law and order
Climate
ks transparencyStealth / hidden tax transparency
UK Competitiveness in the world economy
A fair UK immigration policy
Our involvement in conflict outside these shores
The benefit system and associated reliance of the great unwashed on the system
Road Safety Policy - even to the detail of cameras versus proper policing and driving standard uplift
UK / Euro government and law making blurs
b
ks legislation for the sake of legislation and keeping PS empires growing (within H&S, Diversity etc)While we are there, streamlining of Public Sector Administration
Foreign aid
... and so on, they just might get my vote over my established voting pattern since 1978. At the moment, I see no clear plans from any of the parties on any of the important issues.
It's a bit like running all the projects in a company, in this case, UK PLC. Work out what is needed, cost it, prioritise, establish plans, allocate funds, execute and measure them on an ongoing basis and have a change control method for the longer term stuff to include developing issues. If it ain't working, no company will wait 4-5 years to fire the exec responsible. So, if the govt miss the milestones, those responsible are out instantly - just like in the private sector.
Sadly, our parties paint the blue sky, never tell us their plan, execute poorly without leadership / urgency / accountability and then just do whatever they want as new challenges arise that will keep them in power, and seem to have no change management.
The current lot are always happy to throw money at world events that really have little to do with us whilst taxing us more to make it possible. In the situation we are in right now, we should be focusing on what is necessary here, rather than throwing, for example 120 million at an airport scanner somewhere else as a result of extremist action against years worth of poor international policy deployed by our government, making us the biggest laughing stocks and one of the least popular nations on this planet with many other nations (except when we are doling out the cash to them of course).
So, with no clear position from any party on what I can think to write in just a few minutes, how can people like me know how to vote? We actually want to, we are just not given the decision making materials.
dandarez said:
An interesting aside I came across when discussing UKIP with others is what one supporter of them said. That they should start referring to themselves in 'full', ie: they are the 'UNITED KINGDOM INDEPENDENCE PARTY'.
Then more of joe public will understand. The abbreviated 'UKIP' to a good section of joe public, I can see, is catchy but means little.
They are the singles issue - don't like Europe - party. (They're not that keen on immigrants either, but daren't say too much about it for fear of being exposed for being a BNP clone)Then more of joe public will understand. The abbreviated 'UKIP' to a good section of joe public, I can see, is catchy but means little.
If you vote UKIP you waste your vote and help Winky towards a fourth term for Labour. Don't be stupid. UKIP are a bunch of inadequate misfits.
Zod said:
dandarez said:
An interesting aside I came across when discussing UKIP with others is what one supporter of them said. That they should start referring to themselves in 'full', ie: they are the 'UNITED KINGDOM INDEPENDENCE PARTY'.
Then more of joe public will understand. The abbreviated 'UKIP' to a good section of joe public, I can see, is catchy but means little.
They are the singles issue - don't like Europe - party. (They're not that keen on immigrants either, but daren't say too much about it for fear of being exposed for being a BNP clone)Then more of joe public will understand. The abbreviated 'UKIP' to a good section of joe public, I can see, is catchy but means little.
If you vote UKIP you waste your vote and help Winky towards a fourth term for Labour. Don't be stupid. UKIP are a bunch of inadequate misfits.
k you want to. If anyone is falling for this tactical voting bull then wake up, it's what they want, a 2 horse race between 2 very similar parties with fingers in very similar piesZod said:
If you vote UKIP you waste your vote and help Winky towards a fourth term for Labour. Don't be stupid. UKIP are a bunch of inadequate misfits.
Basically the kick in the bks party is currently in power and everyone says i should vote for the punch in the face partyI think i shall not bother thank you very much
Zod said:
dandarez said:
An interesting aside I came across when discussing UKIP with others is what one supporter of them said. That they should start referring to themselves in 'full', ie: they are the 'UNITED KINGDOM INDEPENDENCE PARTY'.
Then more of joe public will understand. The abbreviated 'UKIP' to a good section of joe public, I can see, is catchy but means little.
They are the singles issue - don't like Europe - party. (They're not that keen on immigrants either, but daren't say too much about it for fear of being exposed for being a BNP clone)Then more of joe public will understand. The abbreviated 'UKIP' to a good section of joe public, I can see, is catchy but means little.
If you vote UKIP you waste your vote and help Winky towards a fourth term for Labour. Don't be stupid. UKIP are a bunch of inadequate misfits.
Which part of THEY ARE ALL THE SAME has escaped your tiny mind?
They are not a single issue party DO YOUR f
kING READING 
Edited by Tangent Police on Monday 4th January 17:31
www.order-order.com (Guido Fawkes) is reporting today that a plot is under way from within the Liarbour party (again) to dispose of Winky before the election.....
musclecarmad said:
Oilchange said:
Perhaps they should raise income tax in Yorkshire to 95% ...
no one pays tax in Yorkshire as there are very few professional PAYE jobs.the wealthy people are car dealers, builders, taxi company owners, shop owners etc etc etc. They pay no tax anyway!
you'd be surprised at how few employed people in Yorkshire as a whole earn over £25,000.
Unless you are going to show me some figures I would probably say this is cr@p anyway.
mybrainhurts said:
Tangent Police said:
Which part of THEY ARE ALL THE SAME has escaped your tiny mind?
They're not, as I pointed out earlier...The s
te we hear on the rotbox is just poor rhetoric. If CMD has the bks to even be a mild classical liberal, rather than the social democrat he is, I will be most surprised. dandarez said:
PLEASE don't think things will be better if the Tories get in. I've lived under all persuasions for nearly 60 years. Usually Joe Public is marginally slightly better off under Labour but don't forget, what you have had since Bliar took office is Noo Labur, NOT Labour! Completely different animal as we have found out to our cost.
Different animal? Same results.Labour got kicked out of power in 79 for near bankrupting the country, and we are in a strangely similar position today.
tinman0 said:
dandarez said:
PLEASE don't think things will be better if the Tories get in. I've lived under all persuasions for nearly 60 years. Usually Joe Public is marginally slightly better off under Labour but don't forget, what you have had since Bliar took office is Noo Labur, NOT Labour! Completely different animal as we have found out to our cost.
Different animal? Same results.Labour got kicked out of power in 79 for near bankrupting the country, and we are in a strangely similar position today.
Anyway, you never heard of Norman Lamont and Black Wednesday under the Tories?
Look around you in the 79 crisis, rubbish piling up on street corners and not burying the dead ... Look around you in 92 under the Tories, wasn't nice but eventually we carried on.
Here's the rub. Look around you today and 79 and 92 pale into absolute insignificance to what has happened under this shower.
This country is now almost unrecognisable from it's past. We are now lackies to others, in how we are ruled right through to contols of our business and welfare by others outside. Noo Labur has sold us down the river to Europe and everyone else who wanted a piece. Political correctness affects every day of our lives. All utter madness. Surveillance on a scale not seen in any other western democracy.
The only answer is a sea change.
And we wont get it with the Tories.
As I said, if I have to, I will vote Tory for one reason, just to get rid of Noo Lab. But if a momentum does begin to ride with UKIP (there is no reason why if voters have conviction and are not brainwashed by the 'it'll let Noo Lab back in' that UKIP cannot win a large number of seats). I see it, like many, as a final chance to regain our total independence, the only thing upon which this country has thrived.
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