Dodgy Toyota accelerator death

[Blue Meanie]

Just put foot on brakes... Surely that is a good way to stop the car?

[BliarOut]

Blue Meanie said:

Just put foot on brakes... Surely that is a good way to stop the car?

Nope, no servo. Takes a hell of a lot of effort to pull up on a wide open throttle

[Blue Meanie]

BliarOut said:

Blue Meanie said:

Just put foot on brakes... Surely that is a good way to stop the car?

Nope, no servo. Takes a hell of a lot of effort to pull up on a wide open throttle

Head to motorway, plant foot on accelerator, and lamp the brake pedal with the left foot... See if that slows you down.

[eldar]

BliarOut said:

Blue Meanie said:

Just put foot on brakes... Surely that is a good way to stop the car?

Nope, no servo. Takes a hell of a lot of effort to pull up on a wide open throttle

There is enough in the servo vacuum resevoir for at least one full scale application. If you start pumping the brakes, thats just Darwinian.

[BliarOut]

eldar said:

BliarOut said:

Blue Meanie said:

Just put foot on brakes... Surely that is a good way to stop the car?

Nope, no servo. Takes a hell of a lot of effort to pull up on a wide open throttle

There is enough in the servo vacuum resevoir for at least one full scale application. If you start pumping the brakes, thats just Darwinian.

Have you ever had a throttle stick wide open... On the way to Cadwell... In a Nissan Primera... On race day?

There isn't enough servo to bring the car to rest from speed.

[alfabadass]

From what I remember, there have been deaths and incidents over similar faults in US cars, another forum I visit had some guy who suffered the same problem but managed to stop ok somehow.

Toyota appear to be getting the press as they've been responsible and tried to make amends instead of denying anything was wrong...

[Blue Meanie]

alfabadass said:

From what I remember, there have been deaths and incidents over similar faults in US cars, another forum I visit had some guy who suffered the same problem but managed to stop ok somehow.

Toyota appear to be getting the press as they've been responsible and tried to make amends instead of denying anything was wrong...

Indeed.. I'd rather they came out and got the stuff in to repair, rather than sweeping it under the rug, and hoping it goes away. Sales may drop for a moment, but on the whole I think it may improve their reputation, rather than damage it, in a twisted way, really.

[amir_j]

DonnyMac said:

Graham E said:

We subsequently fitted "extra" return springs to make it a little less iffy =)

My Cerb now has a couple more return springs for the very same reason.

Those that saw me having my 'moment' at the Brands off ramp may have thought I was showing off

Oh no!

my Mk2 golf had a spring controlling accelerator pedal; snapped on dual carriageway at 50 ish mph so pedal just fell flat to floor speeding up non stop. Was lucky no one was around...

[hornetrider]

BliarOut said:

eldar said:

BliarOut said:

Blue Meanie said:

Just put foot on brakes... Surely that is a good way to stop the car?

Nope, no servo. Takes a hell of a lot of effort to pull up on a wide open throttle

There is enough in the servo vacuum resevoir for at least one full scale application. If you start pumping the brakes, thats just Darwinian.

Have you ever had a throttle stick wide open... On the way to Cadwell... In a Nissan Primera... On race day?

There isn't enough servo to bring the car to rest from speed.

I find that hard to believe, however I bow to your first hand knowledge of Toyotas

If these are recent cars - do they not have DBW throttles which will cut throttle at application of brake pedal like VAG cars?

[Blue Meanie]

hornetrider said:

BliarOut said:

eldar said:

BliarOut said:

Blue Meanie said:

Just put foot on brakes... Surely that is a good way to stop the car?

Nope, no servo. Takes a hell of a lot of effort to pull up on a wide open throttle

There is enough in the servo vacuum resevoir for at least one full scale application. If you start pumping the brakes, thats just Darwinian.

Have you ever had a throttle stick wide open... On the way to Cadwell... In a Nissan Primera... On race day?

There isn't enough servo to bring the car to rest from speed.

I find that hard to believe, however I bow to your first hand knowledge of Toyotas

If these are recent cars - do they not have DBW throttles which will cut throttle at application of brake pedal like VAG cars?

I know my Infiniti does that.

[BliarOut]

Blue Meanie said:

hornetrider said:

BliarOut said:

eldar said:

BliarOut said:

Blue Meanie said:

Just put foot on brakes... Surely that is a good way to stop the car?

Nope, no servo. Takes a hell of a lot of effort to pull up on a wide open throttle

There is enough in the servo vacuum resevoir for at least one full scale application. If you start pumping the brakes, thats just Darwinian.

Have you ever had a throttle stick wide open... On the way to Cadwell... In a Nissan Primera... On race day?

There isn't enough servo to bring the car to rest from speed.

I find that hard to believe, however I bow to your first hand knowledge of Toyotas

If these are recent cars - do they not have DBW throttles which will cut throttle at application of brake pedal like VAG cars?

I know my Infiniti does that.

Not on my car at the time, it was the result of a "service" and they didn't tighten the jubilee clip that held the airbox on properly allowing it to rotate and jam under the throttle quadrant. When I say stuck wide open I mean stuck wide open

[Poledriver]

I can't believe what I've just read in this thread and on the link to the initial article.
If you don't know how to put your car into neutral, and are not aware of which position the key needs to be in to turn of the ignition without activating the steering lock you should not be sitting in the drivers seat! It's not rocket science!
This is why there are so many fatalities on the road, people no longer know how their cars work!

[eldar]

BliarOut said:

eldar said:

BliarOut said:

Blue Meanie said:

Just put foot on brakes... Surely that is a good way to stop the car?

Nope, no servo. Takes a hell of a lot of effort to pull up on a wide open throttle

There is enough in the servo vacuum resevoir for at least one full scale application. If you start pumping the brakes, thats just Darwinian.

Have you ever had a throttle stick wide open... On the way to Cadwell... In a Nissan Primera... On race day?

There isn't enough servo to bring the car to rest from speed.

I had the throttle jam open on a Triumph vitesse, under adjusted cable, the quadrant went over-centre, and stuck open. Nowhere excitng like Caldwell, I admit. Stamped on the non-servo brakes, and it stopped reasonably quickly, and stalled. No fuss, no bother.

I'm just surprised that 40 years of progress seem to mean that mechanical retardation had become so ineffective....

[fastfreddy]

Poledriver said:

I can't believe what I've just read in this thread and on the link to the initial article.
If you don't know how to put your car into neutral, and are not aware of which position the key needs to be in to turn of the ignition without activating the steering lock you should not be sitting in the drivers seat! It's not rocket science!
This is why there are so many fatalities on the road, people no longer know how their cars work!

Exactly. No mechanical knowledge required in order to drive a car these days so most drivers don't know what to do if something goes wrong.

ABS fails. Result:Crash! Explanation: "brakes didn't work properly"
Throttle sticks. Result:Crash! Explanation: "car just accelerated by itself"
Puncture. Result:Crash! Explanation: "I lost control when I had a blow out"
Ice/snow. Result:Crash! Explanation: "there was no steering, no grip, it went straight on/sideways/backwards and there's nothing I could do"

The only answer is not to allow morons access to any form of machinery as accidents may result.

[y2blade]

fastfreddy said:

Poledriver said:

I can't believe what I've just read in this thread and on the link to the initial article.
If you don't know how to put your car into neutral, and are not aware of which position the key needs to be in to turn of the ignition without activating the steering lock you should not be sitting in the drivers seat! It's not rocket science!
This is why there are so many fatalities on the road, people no longer know how their cars work!

Exactly. No mechanical knowledge required in order to drive a car these days so most drivers don't know what to do if something goes wrong.

ABS fails. Result:Crash! Explanation: "brakes didn't work properly"
Throttle sticks. Result:Crash! Explanation: "car just accelerated by itself"
Puncture. Result:Crash! Explanation: "I lost control when I had a blow out"
Ice/snow. Result:Crash! Explanation: "there was no steering, no grip, it went straight on/sideways/backwards and there's nothing I could do"

The only answer is not to allow morons access to any form of machinery as accidents may result.

my thoughts too

[Jasandjules]

I saw this on the news last night, a US Police Officer got killed along with his family when his car hit 120 and he lost it and fell off the road?

I may be being a bit silly, but can you not just turn the ignition off? If the engine is off, friction will slow the car down!?!? I assume also with no engine the throttle won't make any difference? (Of course you won't have much in the way of servo assited brakes either, but better than full throttle?)

[dirkgently]

eldar said:

I had the throttle jam open on a Triumph vitesse, under adjusted cable, the quadrant went over-centre, and stuck open. Nowhere excitng like Caldwell, I admit. Stamped on the non-servo brakes, and it stopped reasonably quickly, and stalled. No fuss, no bother.

I'm just surprised that 40 years of progress seem to mean that mechanical retardation had become so ineffective....

You probably got up to 45 maybe 50 mph

[BliarOut]

eldar said:

BliarOut said:

eldar said:

BliarOut said:

Blue Meanie said:

Just put foot on brakes... Surely that is a good way to stop the car?

Nope, no servo. Takes a hell of a lot of effort to pull up on a wide open throttle

There is enough in the servo vacuum resevoir for at least one full scale application. If you start pumping the brakes, thats just Darwinian.

Have you ever had a throttle stick wide open... On the way to Cadwell... In a Nissan Primera... On race day?

There isn't enough servo to bring the car to rest from speed.

I had the throttle jam open on a Triumph vitesse, under adjusted cable, the quadrant went over-centre, and stuck open. Nowhere excitng like Caldwell, I admit. Stamped on the non-servo brakes, and it stopped reasonably quickly, and stalled. No fuss, no bother.

I'm just surprised that 40 years of progress seem to mean that mechanical retardation had become so ineffective....

And there's your answer, a different type of braking system completely that didn't rely on the part that stops functioning at full throttle

[Poledriver]

BliarOut said:

eldar said:

BliarOut said:

eldar said:

BliarOut said:

Blue Meanie said:

Just put foot on brakes... Surely that is a good way to stop the car?

Nope, no servo. Takes a hell of a lot of effort to pull up on a wide open throttle

There is enough in the servo vacuum resevoir for at least one full scale application. If you start pumping the brakes, thats just Darwinian.

Have you ever had a throttle stick wide open... On the way to Cadwell... In a Nissan Primera... On race day?

There isn't enough servo to bring the car to rest from speed.

I had the throttle jam open on a Triumph vitesse, under adjusted cable, the quadrant went over-centre, and stuck open. Nowhere excitng like Caldwell, I admit. Stamped on the non-servo brakes, and it stopped reasonably quickly, and stalled. No fuss, no bother.

I'm just surprised that 40 years of progress seem to mean that mechanical retardation had become so ineffective....

And there's your answer, a different type of braking system completely that didn't rely on the part that stops functioning at full throttle

Brakes don't stop functioning at full throttle, or when you turn the engine off, you just need to exert more effort yourself!

[john_p]

I seem to recall that some stop/start button based systems require the car to be physically stopped before they will cut the engine. Could that be what happened with the fatality?