Dodgy Toyota accelerator death

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G_T

16,160 posts

191 months

Thursday 4th February 2010
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Toyotas aren't so fking boring now are they? wink

BliarOut

72,857 posts

240 months

Thursday 4th February 2010
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Poledriver said:
BliarOut said:
eldar said:
BliarOut said:
eldar said:
BliarOut said:
Blue Meanie said:
Just put foot on brakes... Surely that is a good way to stop the car?
Nope, no servo. Takes a hell of a lot of effort to pull up on a wide open throttle yes
There is enough in the servo vacuum resevoir for at least one full scale application. If you start pumping the brakes, thats just Darwinian.
Have you ever had a throttle stick wide open... On the way to Cadwell... In a Nissan Primera... On race day? hehe

There isn't enough servo to bring the car to rest from speed.
I had the throttle jam open on a Triumph vitesse, under adjusted cable, the quadrant went over-centre, and stuck open. Nowhere excitng like Caldwell, I admit. Stamped on the non-servo brakes, and it stopped reasonably quickly, and stalled. No fuss, no bother.

I'm just surprised that 40 years of progress seem to mean that mechanical retardation had become so ineffective....
And there's your answer, a different type of braking system completely that didn't rely on the part that stops functioning at full throttle wink
Brakes don't stop functioning at full throttle, or when you turn the engine off, you just need to exert more effort yourself!
Yup, just like I said. It takes a hell of a lot of effort wink

Poledriver

28,645 posts

195 months

Thursday 4th February 2010
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rofl I now have a new screen wallpaper! thumbup

Fish

3,976 posts

283 months

Thursday 4th February 2010
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I have had to deal with this exact problem...... I overtook full throttle in third gear changed to 4th just as I pulled in the realised after having briefly reapplied full throttle I was now stuck in 4th

The only problem was it was on an A road in a 4.0l Tuscan........ Once I worked out what had happened which took a couple of secs and turned the engine off I was just passing 125...I coasted for nearly 1/2 mile till I could pull in. It turned out to be the car mat that had trapped it.

It does happen a bit quicker in a Tuscan than a Yaris biggrin

RichardD

3,560 posts

246 months

Thursday 4th February 2010
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Will the marketing people for the US manufacturers in the states use this to stick the knife in?

telecat

8,528 posts

242 months

Thursday 4th February 2010
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I think one point here is the use of "Unsecured" car mats and Double Car mats that Americans use. I Check My mats at least once a week to make sure they are not fouling any pedals and remove and reseat them once a month. Sounds like the "Audi" problem which was due to Audi not using the stupidly oversize pedal that GM and FORD used.

convert

3,747 posts

219 months

Thursday 4th February 2010
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G_T said:
Toyotas aren't so fking boring now are they? wink
rofl

convert

3,747 posts

219 months

Thursday 4th February 2010
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Fish said:
I have had to deal with this exact problem...... I overtook full throttle in third gear changed to 4th just as I pulled in the realised after having briefly reapplied full throttle I was now stuck in 4th

The only problem was it was on an A road in a 4.0l Tuscan........ Once I worked out what had happened which took a couple of secs and turned the engine off I was just passing 125...I coasted for nearly 1/2 mile till I could pull in. It turned out to be the car mat that had trapped it.

It does happen a bit quicker in a Tuscan than a Yaris biggrin
I had a similar problem in the Wedge, overtook a car in 2nd, changed up to third and throttle stuck open. I left it for a few seconds to make sure I had a good gap on the car i'd just overtaken; hit the hazards and killed the ignition. Then just pulled in at the side of the road and re-fitted the mat.

Northern Munkee

5,354 posts

201 months

Thursday 4th February 2010
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convert said:
G_T said:
Toyotas aren't so fking boring now are they? wink
rofl
now that is the kind of advertising tag line they should adopt asap, damn sight better than the "the car in front (that's a relief) is... jammed on full throttle and if it's a prius the brakes don't work!"

F i F

44,121 posts

252 months

Thursday 4th February 2010
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Sadly there are some bloody idiots about.

One of the worst drivers I have ever had the misfortune to be driven by did this the first time he tried cruise control, fortunately not with me in the car but the source is reliable.

He gradually caught up a with some slower moving traffic. He faffed about trying to figure out how to turn the cc off, started to panic, looked to change lanes nearly side swiped somebody.

The passenger all the time was shouting at him to brake it will disengage when the muppet behind the wheel switched off the ignition completely, took the key out and steered across two lanes onto the hard shoulder while other traffic scattered around him. Of course the steering locked.

The prat still thinks the car ran away with him and there was no part of it which was down to his own muppetry.

The same twerp always drives around with his front fogs on, until he sees a police car, when he switches them off, and then puts them back on when they've passed by. Every car he has is quickly covered in dents from various minor scuffs and scrapes.

If I could legally take his keys and licence off him I would.

And we try to keep death off the roads.

Bill

52,826 posts

256 months

Thursday 4th February 2010
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RichardD said:
Will the marketing people for the US manufacturers in the states use this to stick the knife in?
I heard the US Transport bod on the radio this morning saying "My advice to people is to stop driving these vehicles". Apparently he's since had to tone it down a bitbiggrin

Blue Meanie

73,668 posts

256 months

Thursday 4th February 2010
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Bill said:
RichardD said:
Will the marketing people for the US manufacturers in the states use this to stick the knife in?
I heard the US Transport bod on the radio this morning saying "My advice to people is to stop driving these vehicles". Apparently he's since had to tone it down a bitbiggrin
Yes, because US manufacturers have never had to recall anything...

Bill

52,826 posts

256 months

Thursday 4th February 2010
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yesWasn't there a problem with cars exploding in crashes and the firm (Ford?) decided it was cheaper to pay out compensation than re-engineer the car?

G_T

16,160 posts

191 months

Thursday 4th February 2010
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Bill said:
yesWasn't there a problem with cars exploding in crashes and the firm (Ford?) decided it was cheaper to pay out compensation than re-engineer the car?
Pinto wasn't it?

I believe GM pulled the same trick some years later didn't they?

ETA: Yes, Ford Pinto, http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/Pinto.htm

Edited by G_T on Thursday 4th February 11:47

Blue Meanie

73,668 posts

256 months

Thursday 4th February 2010
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Bill said:
yesWasn't there a problem with cars exploding in crashes and the firm (Ford?) decided it was cheaper to pay out compensation than re-engineer the car?
I think that was the one nader was involved in, maybe? Anyway, a simple seach I just did for recalls on a dodge caravan shows recalls for potential fires, brake fluid leaks, etc. Recalls are commonplace, and why exactly this particular one has gotten so much attention I don't know.

ErnestM

11,615 posts

268 months

Thursday 4th February 2010
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More "braking" news...

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Prius-brakes-questio...

Priuses in trouble now

Vipers

32,894 posts

229 months

Thursday 4th February 2010
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Article said

"It has had reports of 100 incidents, involving 17 crashes and five deaths. "


Did they ignore 100 incidents, and 5 deaths, until they decided to do something about it then?



smile


Vipers

32,894 posts

229 months

Thursday 4th February 2010
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Blue Meanie said:
Yes, because US manufacturers have never had to recall anything...
Didn't they have a recall on Fords sometime ago for similar problems? Thinking about it, I think it was a supurious signal locking the computer in Cruise control, Ford denied it, but then a lot of drivers came forward and said their car had suffered the same fate.

Then an expert came on, and by generating the correct frequency near the car, reproduced the fault.




smile

Edited by Vipers on Thursday 4th February 12:15

Poledriver

28,645 posts

195 months

Thursday 4th February 2010
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Just a thought, if the ignition is turned off but the car is left in gear will the brake servo still operate?

SGirl

7,918 posts

262 months

Thursday 4th February 2010
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ErnestM said:
More "braking" news...

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Prius-brakes-questio...

Priuses in trouble now
Oh no. This might spell the end for the Pious. frown

Shame.

ETA: woohoo

Edited by SGirl on Thursday 4th February 12:15