Arctic ocean warming up/ ice melting in unheard of temp's
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Please keep an open mind when reading the report below, there's no need for alarm...
The Arctic ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a report to the Commerce Department yesterday from Consul Ifft, at Bergen, Norway.
Reports from fishermen, seal hunters and explorers, he declared, all point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard-of temperatures in the Arctic zone.
Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been met with as far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes. Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the gulf stream still very warm.
Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones, the report continued, while at many points well known glaciers have entirely disappeared. Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelts, which have never before ventured so far north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds.
Don't panic, all may not be as it seems...
eta I'll find the link and add it
The Arctic ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a report to the Commerce Department yesterday from Consul Ifft, at Bergen, Norway.
Reports from fishermen, seal hunters and explorers, he declared, all point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard-of temperatures in the Arctic zone.
Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been met with as far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes. Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the gulf stream still very warm.
Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones, the report continued, while at many points well known glaciers have entirely disappeared. Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelts, which have never before ventured so far north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds.
Don't panic, all may not be as it seems...
eta I'll find the link and add it
Edited by deeps on Wednesday 3rd February 21:56
Hehe yes, no mention of CO2 emissions in the original report below though 
http://docs.lib.noaa.gov/rescue/mwr/050/mwr-050-11...
http://docs.lib.noaa.gov/rescue/mwr/050/mwr-050-11...
Please keep an open mind when reading the report below, there's no need for alarm...
It's fekking baltic here in Oslo, the snow was horizontal this morning and the snot freezes in my nose as soon as I step out of the front door. They have an ice breaker in Oslo fjord for the first time in bloody ages and the sea between Denmark and Norway is colder than a witches tit too, boats are getting stuck in the ice there too.
That middle picture was my car a few weeks ago, that's not fluffy snow, it's a -20 degrees concrete-filth-ice-diamond-compound that needs attacking with a spade.
It's fekking baltic here in Oslo, the snow was horizontal this morning and the snot freezes in my nose as soon as I step out of the front door. They have an ice breaker in Oslo fjord for the first time in bloody ages and the sea between Denmark and Norway is colder than a witches tit too, boats are getting stuck in the ice there too.
That middle picture was my car a few weeks ago, that's not fluffy snow, it's a -20 degrees concrete-filth-ice-diamond-compound that needs attacking with a spade.
From what I remember from school science classes (and I could well be wrong here as I usually am), if the entire arctic ice cap melted, wouldn't it make sod all difference to sea levels as the arctic is essentially a big ice cube floating in the sea?
Antarctica is different as that is a land mass, so anything melting there would fill the ocean up a bit.
Anyway, I'm not a 'global warming' apologist and I do not believe all the hysterical clap trap that we keep hearing all the time.
Antarctica is different as that is a land mass, so anything melting there would fill the ocean up a bit.
Anyway, I'm not a 'global warming' apologist and I do not believe all the hysterical clap trap that we keep hearing all the time.
_Dan_ said:
Agreed, hasn't the world been heating up since way before the industrial revolution kicked in?
Well, that will depend on what you set as your base date. If you chose the Medieval Warm Period then no. But if you chose the little ice age then yes......But suffice to say that the planet has been heating and cooling in cycles (to various degrees, if you'll pardon the pun) for millions of years...
Pictures from NASA in 1979 and 2005. Make your own mind up which is which.
Not that we trust NASA anyway. Afterall they agree there's been a gradual increase in temperatures since the industrial revolution. Their work has also been complemented independantly elsewhere by sources outside the CRU...
Where's me asbestos jacket?
Edited by G_T on Thursday 4th February 10:01
ewenm said:
I thought the modal (most common) state of the arctic region was thought to be ice-free? Isn't the current arctic icecap the final remnants of the last ice age?
Humanity - short-termism matters.
So the accelerated rate of melt that's directly proportional to both the increased global temperature and CO2 levels doesn't strike you as a bit of a coincidence then? Humanity - short-termism matters.
G_T said:
ewenm said:
I thought the modal (most common) state of the arctic region was thought to be ice-free? Isn't the current arctic icecap the final remnants of the last ice age?
Humanity - short-termism matters.
So the accelerated rate of melt that's directly proportional to both the increased global temperature and CO2 levels doesn't strike you as a bit of a coincidence then? Humanity - short-termism matters.
Extra arable/grazing land in Greenland and Canada, new shipping routes, new fishing grounds...
Edited by ewenm on Thursday 4th February 10:17
ewenm said:
G_T said:
ewenm said:
I thought the modal (most common) state of the arctic region was thought to be ice-free? Isn't the current arctic icecap the final remnants of the last ice age?
Humanity - short-termism matters.
So the accelerated rate of melt that's directly proportional to both the increased global temperature and CO2 levels doesn't strike you as a bit of a coincidence then? Humanity - short-termism matters.
Extra arable/grazing land in Greenland and Canada, new shipping routes, new fishing grounds...
king light bulbs.Life is an incredibly stubborn thing afterall. Mankind doubly so.
G_T said:
ewenm said:
G_T said:
ewenm said:
I thought the modal (most common) state of the arctic region was thought to be ice-free? Isn't the current arctic icecap the final remnants of the last ice age?
Humanity - short-termism matters.
So the accelerated rate of melt that's directly proportional to both the increased global temperature and CO2 levels doesn't strike you as a bit of a coincidence then? Humanity - short-termism matters.
Extra arable/grazing land in Greenland and Canada, new shipping routes, new fishing grounds...
king light bulbs.Life is an incredibly stubborn thing afterall. Mankind doubly so.
The prevailing notion appears to be the CHANGE IS BAD, regardless of any potential positive outcomes. I'm sure some change will be bad (depending on your point of view) but equally, some will be good (again depending on your PoV), regardless of direction or causes of the changes.
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