The Great PH Political election.

[V8mate]

Tangent Police said:

I don't know what CMD actually stands for.

Call Me Dave.

Though I fear the 'D' may change in the months and years to come.

[YAD061]

Clearly Misinformed Dave

[Bing o]

wiffmaster said:

People are clamouring for the Conservatives right now.

They really aren't. If a right wing forum like this is saying that they are the least worst party, that does not equal a "clamour".

dictionary said:

clamour US, clamor [ˈklæmə]
n
1. a loud persistent outcry, as from a large number of people
2. a vehement expression of collective feeling or outrage a clamour against higher prices
3. a loud and persistent noise the clamour of traffic
vb
1. (intr; often foll by for or against) to make a loud noise or outcry; make a public demand
2. (tr) to move, influence, or force by outcry the people clamoured him out of office

[hooperpride]

I voted for other as I'll probably spoil my vote as I don't think there is anyone I would want to vote for, I feel there is just no engagement of the public from politicians.

Last year I voted Lib Dem as all the bits of paper I got through the door were banging on about green issues and how they needed to save the world but they still delivered countless paper leaflets through my door. I don't give a toss about green issues but I didn't get anything from the Lib Dems so they got my vote. Daft but hey ho, maybe I'll come up with a similar system this year.

[Maxf]

I'm in a very safe Tory area, so will possibly vote UKIP as a semi-protest. I wouldnt take that lightly though, so need to think about it.

The Conservatives really havent told 'me' anything about them. All I hear is a load of noise which seems reactionary rather than following a clearly defined policy agenda.

[FraserLFA]

Labour have 0%. If only the real election was going to be anything like this.

[F i F]

Bing o said:

wiffmaster said:

People are clamouring for the Conservatives right now.

They really aren't. If a right wing forum like this is saying that they are the least worst party, that does not equal a "clamour".

dictionary said:

clamour US, clamor [ˈklæmə]
n
1. a loud persistent outcry, as from a large number of people
2. a vehement expression of collective feeling or outrage a clamour against higher prices
3. a loud and persistent noise the clamour of traffic
vb
1. (intr; often foll by for or against) to make a loud noise or outcry; make a public demand
2. (tr) to move, influence, or force by outcry the people clamoured him out of office

I think what people are clamouring for is a Gi=ovt that is:-

Not Socialist
Libertarian
Not Labour, clearly not Labour
Not racist
Not screwing up the country on the basis of an eco hypothesis that is plain wrong/not proven at best.
Put up a fight , some sort of fight, against the rampant EU/World Order (tin foil hat) extremes.
Get rid of the huge waste on stupid quangos and rampant red tape, and inspections, rules and constant monitoring.
Stand for what made Britain great and has been diluted so much in the last 12 years.
What else? Add to the list.

Some days I go out and in so many ways I'm a stranger in my own bloody country, and that isn't to be taken as a racist comment before anyone starts.

[wiffmaster]

Bing o said:

wiffmaster said:

People are clamouring for the Conservatives right now.

They really aren't. If a right wing forum like this is saying that they are the least worst party, that does not equal a "clamour".

dictionary said:

clamour US, clamor [ˈklæmə]
n
1. a loud persistent outcry, as from a large number of people
2. a vehement expression of collective feeling or outrage a clamour against higher prices
3. a loud and persistent noise the clamour of traffic
vb
1. (intr; often foll by for or against) to make a loud noise or outcry; make a public demand
2. (tr) to move, influence, or force by outcry the people clamoured him out of office

You're right - I phrased that poorly. What I should have said is people are clamouring for a change. In practice, the only way we'll get rid of the incumbent is by voting Tory. Whether voting Tory will lead to actual change is altogether less certain and looking increasingly less likely.

As I see it, this is the choice the centre-right libertarian faces as it stands:

Vote Conservative - get Blair with a blue tie
Vote UKIP - take vote away from the Conservatives and therefore get Labour

We're screwed.

[gamefreaks]

wiffmaster said:

Conservative. Even though I much prefer UKIP's policies and feel somewhat of a sellout by not voting for them. But, can't risk Labour getting back in, and Conservatives are the only real opposition.

No. no. no.

You're not thinking about this. We don't want a Conservative government.

Unfortunately, It's highly unlikely we are going to get anything other than a Labour or Conservative government. (Maybe with the Lib-Dems thrown in on Labours side as a makeweight)

This is like being given the choice between the 'Judean People's Front' and the 'People's Front of Judea'. We don't really want either.

But lets look at this methodically.

A vote for Conservative, is saying, 'More of the same please!' Cameron’s band of merry men are not Conservatives in anything other than name, with their few wishy-washy piss-a-bed policies. This makes then unelectable. It's like sitting down at a restaurant and having to choose between st sandwiches and piss Pâté from the menu. Personally, I'd rather eat elsewhere, but if you want to vote Conservative, go ahead. Enjoy your meal, don't forget to tip the Maître d’ on your way out.

No, the UKIP have the most attractive policies, so that’s who I’ll vote for. Yes, we’ll get Labour for another 4 years, but then that’s something we’ll have to put up with. Sure, I ordered the steak and still got a st sandwich, but if everyone complains, the menu will be changed and the chef will get fired!

The next 4 years are going to be pretty miserable anyway. It’s spending cuts and tax raises under Labour, tax raises and spending cuts under the Conservatives or spending cuts and tax raises imposed by the IMF. We’ve run out of money so it’s not like there is much room to manoeuvre whoever gets in.

If the Conservatives lose this election because their voters have gone to fringe parties like the UKIP, they will know damn well that they have missed an open goal. We will see a regime-change in the Conservative party. We’ll get a real Conservative party that will crush the Labour party like a Cockroach in the 2014 election.

Maybe, just maybe, then we’ll actually see some change.

[YAD061]

Well said, if we keep doing the predictable thing, voting for their choice of carefully manicured puppets then no one will realise we've had enough. We want a choice, we have a choice, we should use it

[Halb]

English Democrats!

[evenflow]

Tangent Police said:

UKIP: Right, Libertarian
BNP: Left, Totalitarianish
Green: Centre, Collective Liberals

[wiffmaster]

evenflow said:

Tangent Police said:

UKIP: Right, Libertarian
BNP: Left, Totalitarianish
Green: Centre, Collective Liberals

The only thing they're Right wing on is race. Every other policy marks them out as extreme Left wing. Which means they're doubly wrong.

[evenflow]

wiffmaster said:

evenflow said:

Tangent Police said:

UKIP: Right, Libertarian
BNP: Left, Totalitarianish
Green: Centre, Collective Liberals

The only thing they're Right wing on is race. Every other policy marks them out as extreme Left wing. Which means they're doubly wrong.

Didn't know that. I know nothing about them other than their stance on race (as portrayed in the media anyway). Interesting!

[wiffmaster]

evenflow said:

wiffmaster said:

evenflow said:

Tangent Police said:

UKIP: Right, Libertarian
BNP: Left, Totalitarianish
Green: Centre, Collective Liberals

The only thing they're Right wing on is race. Every other policy marks them out as extreme Left wing. Which means they're doubly wrong.

Didn't know that. I know nothing about them other than their stance on race (as portrayed in the media anyway). Interesting!

They're just like Hitler. In the sense that he was about as right wing as possible when it came to race, but otherwise was a raving socialist lefty.

[HundredthIdiot]

"Labour score 0% in PH poll" not-shocker.

[YAD061]

HundredthIdiot said:

"Labour score 0% in PH poll" not-shocker.

Strange that.....they usually score 6%

[sonic_2k_uk]

I generally agree with "vote conservative or get labour", but i can't stand the idea of "don't vote ukip else you get labour" even though its pretty much spot on IMO.

Really swinging between conservative or ukip.

[V88Dicky]

wiffmaster said:

evenflow said:

wiffmaster said:

evenflow said:

Tangent Police said:

UKIP: Right, Libertarian
BNP: Left, Totalitarianish
Green: Centre, Collective Liberals

The only thing they're Right wing on is race. Every other policy marks them out as extreme Left wing. Which means they're doubly wrong.

Didn't know that. I know nothing about them other than their stance on race (as portrayed in the media anyway). Interesting!

They're just like Hitler. In the sense that he was about as right wing as possible when it came to race, but otherwise was a raving socialist lefty.

I beg to differ. Hitler, Mussolini et al were EXTREME Right Wing. So much so infact that when you go to the extremes of the political spectrum, and then go just a little bit further, the difference between them and their polar opposites on the left (Stalin / Hoxha etc), become virtually indistinguishable.

[dandarez]

The bottom line is to GET Noo Labour OUT! The rest is secondary.

Won't be/could be worse with CMD.

What this country really needs is a sea change and we won't get it with Cameroon (oops, that was a multicultural slip!)

However, lots I talk to, like me, WANT to vote UKIP but...

Think I will be showing them this poll.

Stop the hesitation. DO IT!