The Great PH Political election.

[wiffmaster]

V88Dicky said:

I beg to differ. Hitler, Mussolini et al were EXTREME Right Wing. So much so infact that when you go to the extremes of the political spectrum, and then go just a little bit further, the difference between them and their polar opposites on the left (Stalin / Hoxha etc), become virtually indistinguishable.

The NSDAP encompassed the far-right and far-left all at the same time. I agree that at the extremes, the line begins to blur. I guess the left/right line is better viewed as a circle.

[B17NNS]

Lifelong Toryboy, was an active young Conservative in my youth.

However I just can't bring myself to vote for them.

No vote is a waste. It is your one opportunity to be heard. Use it wisely and with clear conscience.

UKIP for me.

[Tangent Police]

wiffmaster said:

V88Dicky said:

I beg to differ. Hitler, Mussolini et al were EXTREME Right Wing. So much so infact that when you go to the extremes of the political spectrum, and then go just a little bit further, the difference between them and their polar opposites on the left (Stalin / Hoxha etc), become virtually indistinguishable.

The NSDAP encompassed the far-right and far-left all at the same time. I agree that at the extremes, the line begins to blur. I guess the left/right line is better viewed as a circle.

Nope. Who was the person who originally suggested that the Nazi's were right wing?

Your answer lies there.

They are left wing for the record. Think "collective" and "invididual" instead of left-right and you'll see there is no such circle, loop, triangle or possibility of pleasing all men

[anonymous-user]

wiffmaster said:

Were PH representative of the UK as a whole, then UKIP would be in with a chance. But PH sadly isn't representative. The reality is that all a UKIP vote does is split the Conservative vote and strengthen Labour's position. It's a sad state of affairs. Sadly though, it won't improve as long as people like me fear getting their third choice, by voting for their first choice. It sucks, but idealism aside, what can you do?

vive la revolution

[sonic_2k_uk]

So who voted for labour?

[Jasandjules]

I would like to vote UKIP but I feel that I am going to be forced to vote Tory.

[GTiR Al]

wiffmaster said:

Conservative. Even though I much prefer UKIP's policies and feel somewhat of a sellout by not voting for them. But, can't risk Labour getting back in, and Conservatives are the only real opposition.

^^^ What he said

[Marquis_Rex]

V88Dicky said:

wiffmaster said:

evenflow said:

wiffmaster said:

evenflow said:

Tangent Police said:

UKIP: Right, Libertarian
BNP: Left, Totalitarianish
Green: Centre, Collective Liberals

The only thing they're Right wing on is race. Every other policy marks them out as extreme Left wing. Which means they're doubly wrong.

Didn't know that. I know nothing about them other than their stance on race (as portrayed in the media anyway). Interesting!

They're just like Hitler. In the sense that he was about as right wing as possible when it came to race, but otherwise was a raving socialist lefty.

I beg to differ. Hitler, Mussolini et al were EXTREME Right Wing. So much so infact that when you go to the extremes of the political spectrum, and then go just a little bit further, the difference between them and their polar opposites on the left (Stalin / Hoxha etc), become virtually indistinguishable.

I personally think Hitler was left - he was for the masses and very authoritarian- i'e lots of interference and control into the daily life of the people. His whole dream of the VW beetle- getting the mainstream masses mobile was quite socialist/left. He's often called 'Right wing' as propoganda from the socialists. He was also very capitalist- which probably marks him as 'right' also.

[Smiler.]

Mark Thomas: The Manifesto (R4).

Some great stuff

[anonymous-user]

Marquis_Rex said:

I personally think Hitler was left

national socialist.. the clue's in the name

[grumbledoak]

Marquis_Rex said:

I personally think Hitler was left - he was for the masses and very authoritarian- i'e lots of interference and control into the daily life of the people. His whole dream of the VW beetle- getting the mainstream masses mobile was quite socialist/left. He's often called 'Right wing' as propoganda from the socialists. He was also very capitalist- which probably marks him as 'right' also.

A quick trip here might help you clarify your thinking. The test is interesting, too.

[Don]

Someone on PH voted Labour?

Well. You could knock me dahn wiv a fevver.

[Marquis_Rex]

grumbledoak said:

Marquis_Rex said:

I personally think Hitler was left - he was for the masses and very authoritarian- i'e lots of interference and control into the daily life of the people. His whole dream of the VW beetle- getting the mainstream masses mobile was quite socialist/left. He's often called 'Right wing' as propoganda from the socialists. He was also very capitalist- which probably marks him as 'right' also.

A quick trip here might help you clarify your thinking. The test is interesting, too.

I've done it already, a few times over the years, it puts me up as centre left-which I was shocked about but I've done a few tests over the years and I've come up more left than I thought I was. May be it's just that I get worked up about issues and I sit 'right' regarding these issues.
I agree that 'right and left' are really economic references and governmental control are authoritarian/libertarian- and it's all too common among the populace to link the two, so in the end you end up doing the same just to converse.

Edited by Marquis_Rex on Thursday 11th February 19:46

[Tangent Police]

grumbledoak said:

Marquis_Rex said:

I personally think Hitler was left - he was for the masses and very authoritarian- i'e lots of interference and control into the daily life of the people. His whole dream of the VW beetle- getting the mainstream masses mobile was quite socialist/left. He's often called 'Right wing' as propoganda from the socialists. He was also very capitalist- which probably marks him as 'right' also.

A quick trip here might help you clarify your thinking. The test is interesting, too.

There are several oversimplifications, muddiness and wooly thinking with their questions. Several questions would give different answers depending on the context, etc.

The are also wrong about Hitler's position as any political ideology text would show.

My main gripe is that I imagine the outcome for several of the "PC" questions is that you're a lefty when in actual fact, you're applying decent principles (which I suppose are lacking in the awful capitalist pigs)

[grumbledoak]

I don't disagree. But it's a much better basis for understanding than simple left/right.

[VX Foxy]

Don said:

Someone on PH voted Labour?

Well. You could knock me dahn wiv a fevver.

Must be a troll.

[marvelharvey]

Tangent Police said:

grumbledoak said:

Marquis_Rex said:

I personally think Hitler was left - he was for the masses and very authoritarian- i'e lots of interference and control into the daily life of the people. His whole dream of the VW beetle- getting the mainstream masses mobile was quite socialist/left. He's often called 'Right wing' as propoganda from the socialists. He was also very capitalist- which probably marks him as 'right' also.

A quick trip here might help you clarify your thinking. The test is interesting, too.

There are several oversimplifications, muddiness and wooly thinking with their questions. Several questions would give different answers depending on the context, etc.

The are also wrong about Hitler's position as any political ideology text would show.

My main gripe is that I imagine the outcome for several of the "PC" questions is that you're a lefty when in actual fact, you're applying decent principles (which I suppose are lacking in the awful capitalist pigs)

Last time decided to partake in that test, I ended up smack bang, right on top of where the Liberal Democrats see themselves. A party that I'd never vote for. A party whose ideologies I despise more than Labour's. So yes, their accuracy is certainly questionable.

Edited by marvelharvey on Friday 12th February 02:55

[V8mate]

TVR Moneypit said:

UKIP will be getting my vote if they stand in my area.

Don't act all surprised when you find Winky gurning out of your TV set on the morning of May 7th, as he nips back into No.10 for a cuppa, will you now?!

[blindswelledrat]

I noticed none of our BNP 'voters' are posting to defend thier opinion!

[HundredthIdiot]

blindswelledrat said:

I noticed none of our BNP 'voters' are posting to defend thier opinion!

It's difficult to type with a clenched fist.