My Lecturer on Climate Change
Discussion
Had something of a piss-boiling moment in an Accountancy lecture today, when discussing problems with academic research, and discussing belief systems, my lecturer mentioned the CRU. Apparently afterwards sceptisicm on CLimate Change rose by 12%, to 52%, this, is, apparently, because 52% of the public are unable to make a fair judgement on the facts, they simply believed small misdemeanours undermined the whole argument, and thus, the belief system was shattered, and replaced by a new one, whilst the underlying science actually remains irrefutable. Clearly 99% of the public are ill-placed to comment, not just the 52% who happen to disagree with him.
He also used the old trick of lumping Climate Change Deniers and Man-Made Global Warming deniers in the same category, when clearly they are distinctly different.
I found it all a bit irresponsible, his casual dismisal of climate change deniers led him on to a point about Flat-Earthers, and as an academic, his opinion probably affects a lot of students' mind-set. I intend on sending him an email questioning a few of the things he said, was just wondering if anybody had any ideas on what I should mention?
He also used the old trick of lumping Climate Change Deniers and Man-Made Global Warming deniers in the same category, when clearly they are distinctly different.
I found it all a bit irresponsible, his casual dismisal of climate change deniers led him on to a point about Flat-Earthers, and as an academic, his opinion probably affects a lot of students' mind-set. I intend on sending him an email questioning a few of the things he said, was just wondering if anybody had any ideas on what I should mention?
BJG1 said:
I intend on sending him an email questioning a few of the things he said, was just wondering if anybody had any ideas on what I should mention?
Do not of course post a link for the University website to his profile and contact email address so that we can all correct him in the error of his ways. Really, don't do it. I mean it, don't do it.A lot of academics these days lack a decent education themselves. They may be effective specialists in their area, but out of it, they quite often display the ignorance of Joe Public.
I seriously worry about the ability of a lot of academics to put their specialism into context, without getting swayed by normal people's fallacies.
A lot of my lecturers and ones I know share a similar level of feeble mindedness that I bumped into when I was teaching.....
I seriously worry about the ability of a lot of academics to put their specialism into context, without getting swayed by normal people's fallacies.
A lot of my lecturers and ones I know share a similar level of feeble mindedness that I bumped into when I was teaching.....
We get this a fair bit as well at Uni. Came up in one of my lectures and the anthropogenic aspect of it was presented as fact. We were then recommended "An Inconvenient Truth" as an "insightful" film on the subject. This is in a lecture for a pure science, and a Uni ranked in the top ten for Biological Sciences. 
The brainwashing is endemic now. Consumed by the majority without criticism or question.
The brainwashing is endemic now. Consumed by the majority without criticism or question.
I always struggle to take Academic Accountants seriously at the best of times, it seems such a self-serving practice, profesionals rarely read their papers as it is, it's just all back-slapping and keeping each other in a job. The problem is, to a lot of people, an academic is an academic, so his opinion is held in higher regard than a layman, even if in reality he is also. He went on to criticise Sceptic academics as well, saying the majority were funded by oil companies, with obvious agenda, whilsy government funded studies will have no agenda, no sir, none at all.
nonegreen said:
You must understand that one of the reasons for maintaining Universities it to ensure that an otherwise useless group of cardigan and sandal wearing beardy types have a nice lifestyle supported by a lot of very niaeve young people getting into debt.
He does have a beard, and wears cardigans.
Why did you not challenge him? He's an academic and should be capable of discussion.
I've destroyed hippies (students) outside of RBS before with some very simple questions. I'm about nowhere near of a Lord Monckton, but I can still kick hippy butt.
Or are you a Nu Labia academic who learns by wrote without challenging the status quo?
I've destroyed hippies (students) outside of RBS before with some very simple questions. I'm about nowhere near of a Lord Monckton, but I can still kick hippy butt.
Or are you a Nu Labia academic who learns by wrote without challenging the status quo?
Once upon a time, those who had the priviledge of educating those younger had, as a major concern, that their reason was to open minds.
That those minds would then always question, not simply believe.
History tells us that there is never any definite, in any area.
I'm seeing so much conformity everywhere.
Why?
That those minds would then always question, not simply believe.
History tells us that there is never any definite, in any area.
I'm seeing so much conformity everywhere.
Why?
Bing o said:
Why did you not challenge him? He's an academic and should be capable of discussion.
I've destroyed hippies (students) outside of RBS before with some very simple questions. I'm about nowhere near of a Lord Monckton, but I can still kick hippy butt.
Or are you a Nu Labia academic who learns by wrote without challenging the status quo?
Perhaps the "Nu Labia academic", wrote by rote?I've destroyed hippies (students) outside of RBS before with some very simple questions. I'm about nowhere near of a Lord Monckton, but I can still kick hippy butt.
Or are you a Nu Labia academic who learns by wrote without challenging the status quo?
With plenty of references, of course, to prove.
One can judge from experiment, or one can blindly accept authority. To the scientific mind, experimental proof is all important and theory is merely a convenience in description, to be junked when it no longer fits. To the academic mind, authority is everything and facts are junked when they do not fit theory laid down by authority.
-- Henlein (1939)
-- Henlein (1939)
Eric Mc said:
mcdjl said:
Hes an accountant. What makes his opinion on global warming any more worthwhile than anyone elses? Hopefully your fellow students will also realise this.
Accountants know everything about everything 
Just remember having a PhD means that you know everything about nothing at all....and all academics have one
How about: (lots of ideas and more detail - see the other threads, cat out of bag, - big debate)
Tim Mitchell with a GEOGRAPHY degree, apparently learns fortran and writes a lot of the code to process, adjust the weather station data in HADCRU datasets.. (Harry_Read_me.txt)
“what did Tim do? – says Harry (trying to produce hadcru 3.0))
How about the general public find out that:
The General public are told that this is the warmest year on Record:
How can you deny this global warming!!!!
What tells them that: 3 global datasets, Hadcru, nasa, giss
Tell the public: HAdcru dataset – Climate research Unit )
Global raw data into a black box: (their code)
Global Adjusted, homogenised, tortured, data out… we have global warming…
The CODE that adjust the raw data has never even been IT PEER reviewed outside of CRU.
How many other researchers have used it!!!1
Eco green christian (with a geography degree) and phil jpones and one or two others wrote the code…
Climategate scandal Harry_Read_me.txt, and the CODE freely available to any it profeesional to see:
MAny issues..
It is crap code.
It does some very dodgy things to the data:
to quote a techy guy, that didn’t just torture the data – they waterboarded IT
The whole methodology, gridding, assumptions,
loss of weather stations.
Send that message to any IT professonals, and they will be appalled
AND they can check for themselves!!!!
It totally destroys the warmest year on record lies….
Didn’t I just see that NASA had been caught out adjusting Australia weather stations rather a LOT.
Everybody has been talking aboutthe emails, Ipcc reports.
Little talk been talking about Harry_Read_me.txt, and all th erest of the code..
The UK has a terrible record of useless publically funded IT systems.
Billions wasted!!!!
Tell the public that half a dozen ‘climate scientists’, with probably no IT qualification between them.
Not complying with any recognised governmentprocedure for, qa, documentation, software design, data integrity, data archiving, etc,etc processes and procedure.
Are responsible for one of three global temperature datasets that says ‘Global Warming’
And tell the public, they won’t let anybody check IT!!!
Tim Mitchell with a GEOGRAPHY degree, apparently learns fortran and writes a lot of the code to process, adjust the weather station data in HADCRU datasets.. (Harry_Read_me.txt)
“what did Tim do? – says Harry (trying to produce hadcru 3.0))
How about the general public find out that:
The General public are told that this is the warmest year on Record:
How can you deny this global warming!!!!
What tells them that: 3 global datasets, Hadcru, nasa, giss
Tell the public: HAdcru dataset – Climate research Unit )
Global raw data into a black box: (their code)
Global Adjusted, homogenised, tortured, data out… we have global warming…
The CODE that adjust the raw data has never even been IT PEER reviewed outside of CRU.
How many other researchers have used it!!!1
Eco green christian (with a geography degree) and phil jpones and one or two others wrote the code…
Climategate scandal Harry_Read_me.txt, and the CODE freely available to any it profeesional to see:
MAny issues..
It is crap code.
It does some very dodgy things to the data:
to quote a techy guy, that didn’t just torture the data – they waterboarded IT
The whole methodology, gridding, assumptions,
loss of weather stations.
Send that message to any IT professonals, and they will be appalled
AND they can check for themselves!!!!
It totally destroys the warmest year on record lies….
Didn’t I just see that NASA had been caught out adjusting Australia weather stations rather a LOT.
Everybody has been talking aboutthe emails, Ipcc reports.
Little talk been talking about Harry_Read_me.txt, and all th erest of the code..
The UK has a terrible record of useless publically funded IT systems.
Billions wasted!!!!
Tell the public that half a dozen ‘climate scientists’, with probably no IT qualification between them.
Not complying with any recognised governmentprocedure for, qa, documentation, software design, data integrity, data archiving, etc,etc processes and procedure.
Are responsible for one of three global temperature datasets that says ‘Global Warming’
And tell the public, they won’t let anybody check IT!!!
Edited by BJWoods on Thursday 11th February 21:33
BJWoods said:
How about: (lots of ideas and more detail - see the other threads, cat out of bag, - big debate)
Tim Mitchell with a GEOGRAPHY degree, apparently learns fortran and writes a lot of the code to process, adjust the weather station data in HADCRU datasets.. (Harry_Read_me.txt)
“what did Tim do? – says Harry (trying to produce hadcru 3.0))
How about the general public find out that:
The General public are told that this is the warmest year on Record:
How can you deny this global warming!!!!
What tells them that: 3 global datasets, Hadcru, nasa, giss
Tell the public: HAdcru dataset – Climate research Unit )
Global raw data into a black box: (their code)
Global Adjusted, homogenised, tortured, data out… we have global warming…
The CODE that adjust the raw data has never even been IT PEER reviewed outside of CRU.
How many other researchers have used it!!!1
Eco green christian (with a geography degree) and phil jpones and one or two others wrote the code…
Climategate scandal Harry_Read_me.txt, and the CODE freely available to any it profeesional to see:
MAny issues..
It is crap code.
It does some very dodgy things to the data:
to quote a techy guy, that didn’t just torture the data – they waterboarded IT
The whole methodology, gridding, assumptions,
loss of weather stations.
Send that message to any IT professonals, and they will be appalled
AND they can check for themselves!!!!
It totally destroys the warmest year on record lies….
Didn’t I just see that NASA had been caught out adjusting Australia weather stations rather a LOT.
Everybody has been talking aboutthe emails, Ipcc reports.
Little talk been talking about Harry_Read_me.txt, and all th erest of the code..
The UK has a terrible record of useless publically funded IT systems.
Billions wasted!!!!
Tell the public that half a dozen ‘climate scientists’, with probably no IT qualification between them.
Not complying with any recognised governmentprocedure for, qa, documentation, software design, data integrity, data archiving, etc,etc processes and procedure.
Are responsible for one of three global temperature datasets that says ‘Global Warming’
And tell the public, they won’t let anybody check IT!!!
A rant?Tim Mitchell with a GEOGRAPHY degree, apparently learns fortran and writes a lot of the code to process, adjust the weather station data in HADCRU datasets.. (Harry_Read_me.txt)
“what did Tim do? – says Harry (trying to produce hadcru 3.0))
How about the general public find out that:
The General public are told that this is the warmest year on Record:
How can you deny this global warming!!!!
What tells them that: 3 global datasets, Hadcru, nasa, giss
Tell the public: HAdcru dataset – Climate research Unit )
Global raw data into a black box: (their code)
Global Adjusted, homogenised, tortured, data out… we have global warming…
The CODE that adjust the raw data has never even been IT PEER reviewed outside of CRU.
How many other researchers have used it!!!1
Eco green christian (with a geography degree) and phil jpones and one or two others wrote the code…
Climategate scandal Harry_Read_me.txt, and the CODE freely available to any it profeesional to see:
MAny issues..
It is crap code.
It does some very dodgy things to the data:
to quote a techy guy, that didn’t just torture the data – they waterboarded IT
The whole methodology, gridding, assumptions,
loss of weather stations.
Send that message to any IT professonals, and they will be appalled
AND they can check for themselves!!!!
It totally destroys the warmest year on record lies….
Didn’t I just see that NASA had been caught out adjusting Australia weather stations rather a LOT.
Everybody has been talking aboutthe emails, Ipcc reports.
Little talk been talking about Harry_Read_me.txt, and all th erest of the code..
The UK has a terrible record of useless publically funded IT systems.
Billions wasted!!!!
Tell the public that half a dozen ‘climate scientists’, with probably no IT qualification between them.
Not complying with any recognised governmentprocedure for, qa, documentation, software design, data integrity, data archiving, etc,etc processes and procedure.
Are responsible for one of three global temperature datasets that says ‘Global Warming’
And tell the public, they won’t let anybody check IT!!!
Edited by BJWoods on Thursday 11th February 21:33
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