Winky cynically uses dead daughter - desperation?

[C8PPO]

Craphouserat said:

I agree - none of us would get in the slightest bit upset if asked questions about the time a close relative/child/whoever died - in our fking arms..ofcourse not. Especially after 8 years, he's despicable.

I think what you're trying to say is, none of us would pretend to blub in front of a potential employer in the desperate hope that we might somehow convince them to extend our contract.

It's 8 years ago, yes - remember that in that time he has never previously had to rely on the electorate to obtain the keys to No. 10, and now that he does, he'll use anything which his levels of desperation can generate.

[pilchardthecat]

Craphouserat said:

I have always loved every single one of you englishmen from Churchill...to Blair all sooooo lovely, never done anything wrong.

Blar is Scottish. Born in Edinburgh, grew up in Willowbrae, went to Edinburgh uni.

[Craphouserat]

pilchardthecat said:

Craphouserat said:

I agree - none of us would get in the slightest bit upset if asked questions about the time a close relative/child/whoever died - in our fking arms..ofcourse not. Especially after 8 years, he's despicable.

You are completely missing the point.

I have nothing but sympathy for anyone who loses a child.

He should never have agreed to talk about it in public, and his motivation for doing so is clearly to gain public sympathy and thus political advantage. It's utterly fking shameful.

Apologies..you are right he shouldn't have agreed to questions relating to that topic.

[ali_kat]

Don said:

Gordo:1 Dave:1

I really, REALLY hope this isn't as utterly distasteful a plea for public sympathy as it sounds. These tragedies should not be for public consumption.

But Gordon's tragic loss was 8 years ago and virtually forgotten by the voters. Cameron's however was 12 months ago (almost to the day!) and still remembered.

Cynic, me?

Low blow

[Craphouserat]

pilchardthecat said:

Craphouserat said:

I have always loved every single one of you englishmen from Churchill...to Blair all sooooo lovely, never done anything wrong.

Blar is Scottish. Born in Edinburgh, grew up in Willowbrae, went to Edinburgh uni.

My point is that most politicians,regardless of nationality, are the same. I don't give a fk what nationality you are. I get on with most people, white,black,gay straight - I don't give a fk - life's to bloody short. Why call him a Jock ? If I called some people on here an English prick - I would be shot down, and quite rightly. Wishing death on his kids is a fking joke - some people on here need to take their pills in the morning.

[pilchardthecat]

Craphouserat said:

pilchardthecat said:

Craphouserat said:

I have always loved every single one of you englishmen from Churchill...to Blair all sooooo lovely, never done anything wrong.

Blar is Scottish. Born in Edinburgh, grew up in Willowbrae, went to Edinburgh uni.

My point is that most politicians,regardless of nationality, are the same. I don't give a fk what nationality you are. I get on with most people, white,black,gay straight - I don't give a fk - life's to bloody short. Why call him a Jock ? If I called some people on here an English prick - I would be shot down, and quite rightly. Wishing death on his kids is a fking joke - some people on here need to take their pills in the morning.

Agreed.

[Soovy]

ONE WORD.


REPUGNANT.

[Bing o]

I must not post what I am thinking after a hangover - apologies

(I do hate him more than BL though)

[ADEuk]

Gordon Brown is human, shock! That reptile Morgan isn't though. God I hate him

[Nubbin]

Shall I open a window? It's getting a bit hot in here!

[Zod]

ali_kat said:

Don said:

Gordo:1 Dave:1

I really, REALLY hope this isn't as utterly distasteful a plea for public sympathy as it sounds. These tragedies should not be for public consumption.

But Gordon's tragic loss was 8 years ago and virtually forgotten by the voters. Cameron's however was 12 months ago (almost to the day!) and still remembered.

Cynic, me?

Low blow

and Cameron avoided the press in the days afterwards, surfaced briefly to give the press brief interviews so they'd leave the family alone and hasn't mentioned it since.

[KaraK]

8 years ago I thought he handled the incident with dignity and despite the fact that I didnt approve of him even back then I gave him respect for it. Now I'm repulsed, either he is so politcally incompetent that he hasn't considered how it might be viewed given the timing or he is so morally vacant that he is actually playing it for advantage.

Either way my opinion of him lowers even further.

[grumbledoak]

Bing o said:

(I do hate him more than BL though)

Don't bring British Leyland into this. Compared to Gordon they were a shining beacon of competence and good management.

But, yes, this is a repugnant act. The last time he did it wasn't even the second time.

[Puggit]

pilchardthecat said:

Craphouserat said:

I agree - none of us would get in the slightest bit upset if asked questions about the time a close relative/child/whoever died - in our fking arms..ofcourse not. Especially after 8 years, he's despicable.

You are completely missing the point.

I have nothing but sympathy for anyone who loses a child.

He should never have agreed to talk about it in public, and his motivation for doing so is clearly to gain public sympathy and thus political advantage. It's utterly fking shameful.

As he has always stated he would never bring his family in to politics.

We could all see it was going to happen after he brought his wife in twice to big him up at the annual Labour roadshow.

[Mojocvh]

Craphouserat said:

pilchardthecat said:

Craphouserat said:

I have always loved every single one of you englishmen from Churchill...to Blair all sooooo lovely, never done anything wrong.

Blar is Scottish. Born in Edinburgh, grew up in Willowbrae, went to Edinburgh uni.

My point is that most politicians,regardless of nationality, are the same. I don't give a fk what nationality you are. I get on with most people, white,black,gay straight - I don't give a fk - life's to bloody short. Why call him a Jock ? If I called some people on here an English prick - I would be shot down, and quite rightly. Wishing death on his kids is a fking joke - some people on here need to take their pills in the morning.

[fido]

Craphouserat said:

My point is that most politicians,regardless of nationality, are the same. I don't give a fk what nationality you are. I get on with most people, white,black,gay straight - I don't give a fk - life's to bloody short. Why call him a Jock ? If I called some people on here an English prick - I would be shot down, and quite rightly. Wishing death on his kids is a fking joke - some people on here need to take their pills in the morning.

Whilst i totally agree with all your points ... w.r.t. to Winky .. IMO has waved his immunity to ridicule through his own actions. He's used class'ish tactics of divide and rule on many occasions, which in effect is stirring up hatred of certain people's for his own political purposes (remember "Jobs For British Workers"?) .. to be honest i don't rate him much better than someone like Bernard Manning, and ha probably done as much harm to society.

[SeeFive]

Muzzer said:

Playing devil's advocate; I'm sure it's a difficult subject and, knowing Morgan, a wound that the interviewer will have prodded and prodded when talking about it but he should have known that would happen before agreeing to it.

After reading Morgan's book recently, it is clear that Piers is a great friend of the Brown family. I am sure that everything planned for the interview would have been openly discussed beforehand. It may have also been a surprise question by Morgan to try to make his friend seem a little more human in the eyes of the public, and have nothing to do with the PM.

However it came about, no matter how much I do not like what Brown has done in his political roles over the last decade or so, I feel for him and his wife over this matter. Nobody should ever have to see their child die. I am not sure that even the lowest political figure would be foolish enough to try to make political capital out of such a tragedy.

[grumbledoak]

SeeFive said:

I am not sure that even the lowest political figure would be foolish enough to try to make political capital out of such a tragedy.

Yet, this is at least the third time since the poor infants death that he has done so.

[SeeFive]

grumbledoak said:

SeeFive said:

I am not sure that even the lowest political figure would be foolish enough to try to make political capital out of such a tragedy.

Yet, this is at least the third time since the poor infants death that he has done so.

There is talking about it / responding to questions and then there is making political capital. I will wait to watch the show before I form an opinion, but if he is using the situation to his advantage, he is an even bigger fool than I had originally thought.

Not aware of the circumstances around the other two occurrences, can't comment.

You have to go through the loss of a child to understand just how you react to someone raising it with you. Sometimes you can deal with it, other times you think you can deal with it and end up looking like a complete mess who should have said "I do not want to talk about it". Time makes sod all difference, it is the image that is in your mind at the time you are asked to discuss it. Either way, you will be lambasted by your critics if you are a public figure with the current public lack of popularity of Brown.

I will pass on slagging him off on this event.

[AndrewW-G]

mikele pirelli said:

pilchardthecat said:

Craphouserat said:

I have always loved every single one of you englishmen from Churchill...to Blair all sooooo lovely, never done anything wrong.

Blar is Scottish. Born in Edinburgh, grew up in Willowbrae, went to Edinburgh uni.

Stuff.

Would you consider David Coulthard or Jackie Stewart to be Scottish?

Edited by AndrewW-G on Friday 12th February 12:18