Comrade Dave to give control to the Workers

[deadslow]

Its official, Dave and Ozzy are Communists:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8515949.stm

How witless are these people?

[chris watton]

I think that maybe CMD & Co may do the impossible, and lose the GE - if so, that's quite a feat considering the mainstream alternatives.

Dark days....

[Tangent Police]

The miners are probably the best people to make decisions about what happens underground.

Same with teaching (my old game and a quoted example).

If you look at some other bullst spouted by the GTC (Teachers Quango), it appears that we are all to have "licences to teach" which will be very much enforced by "top down" bullst.

Here's a tip, if you don't like top down bullst stopping you doing your job, get out of the public sector! Putting another layer of bullst in is adding to the strata of ste crushing workers out of doing a job.

OY CMD, NOOOOOOOO!

[unrepentant]

Good article in yesterdays Times about how "modernisers" (they would have been called wets 20 years ago) manipulated Michael Howard so that he stayed leader for a while after losing in 2005 so that Cameron could get established and thereafter beat David Davis. Interestingly even Howard, for whom Cameron worked, thought he was NOT the man to lead the Tories, preferring Osborne.

In politics you cannot get elected just by appealing to your base (as Palin will discover if the GOP are crazy enough to let her run) but nor will you get elected if you ignore it. Cameron does not appeal to his base IMO and is relying on transient floating voters to elect him which is why his poll numbers are not solid. I have predicted a humg parliament for over a year now and I see no reason to change my mind.

[Fittster]

Hang on a sec. If I say "Hmmm, I like shopping at the huge PLC Tesco" you lot go "Ha, Ha, chav. We all go to Waitrose, cause we is posh"

Waitroseis owned by a trust on behalf of all its employees - known as partners - who have a say in the running of the business and receive a share of annual profits, which is usually a significant addition to their salary.

So other forms of ownership including co-ops can work very well.

[Bing o]

unrepentant said:

Interestingly even Howard, for whom Cameron worked, thought he was NOT the man to lead the Tories, preferring Osborne.

Sweet Jesus. Osborne?? The man is unelectable!

[JagLover]

deadslow said:

Its official, Dave and Ozzy are Communists:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8515949.stm

How witless are these people?

I fail to see how this makes them communist.

Rather, as with their schooling proposals, this is about reducing bureucracy.

[YAD061]

Sounds like a bit of common sense to me......you sure Cameron came up with this?

[loltolhurst]

"He refused to be drawn on how many public sector workers he expected to set up co-operatives, which would be allowed to keep any surplus cash."

sounds like a bribe to me...

teachers etc are always wingeing how busy they are how will they have time to run a business - and is it a really a good idea to have people who's skills are in other areas to suddenly become business managers? john lewis is a lot diff to public sector imho

[JagLover]

loltolhurst said:

"He refused to be drawn on how many public sector workers he expected to set up co-operatives, which would be allowed to keep any surplus cash."

sounds like a bribe to me...

teachers etc are always wingeing how busy they are how will they have time to run a business - and is it a really a good idea to have people who's skills are in other areas to suddenly become business managers? john lewis is a lot diff to public sector imho

I doubt they would do any worse than many local councils.

[DangerousMike]

eseentially they would be like a private school, then?

sounds like a good idea to me.

Surely it has the benefits sought by the "only the private sector is efficient!" crowd, but applied to the public sector.

[nonegreen]

Its an absolutely bloody great fantastic idea. Unfortunately it will be implemented by the British civil service who will smash evey ounce of creativity, enterprise and enlightened thinking out of it until it becomes like the rest of the public sector, a pile of steamy stinking manure blighting our lovely country.

[Guybrush]

"...David Cameron is using the language of socialism to mask a break-up of public services..." Gail Cartmail, Unite union Whatever - the unions are afraid, so it's therefore probably a good idea - they might actually have to justify their jobs.

[Ten Ninety]

This is clueless Tory buffoonery of the worst sort. Some hotshot policy whizkid working for CMD apparently thinks they can fool the most ardently left-leaning 'profession' in the country into voting Conservative by making up a load of ill-thought-out pseudo-communitarian guff along the lines of 'power to the people', straight outta Tooting. Citizen Smith would be proud. Me? I don't know whether to laugh, or stab myself in the eye with a fork.

The real Tory revolution in education would be to free up schools from the nonsensical idiotry of local authorities and the DCSF, saving billions by taking an axe to the full-colour glossy-printed initiative-generating machine and reinvesting those billions directly into the schools themselves. Sadly, the nonsense announced today doesn't come close to being such a revolution. Note that these co-operatives would still be "contracting services to the local authority". Note that they would still have to operate "within certain national standards"... so as TP alludes to above, the same old layers of bureaucracy and control-freakery would remain.

And how, exactly, can a school be run 'not for profit' yet be allowed to share 'surplus cash' between the workers? You can't have it all ways, or you'll end up with decisions like "should we spend some more money on sports equipment for the kids or should we just share the surplus amongst ourselves instead?" No prizes for the outcome there if it gets put to a vote in our wonderful new collective, sorry, co-operative.

BBC Article said:

It would mean teachers could effectively force out a head, he agreed.

God help us all. It's already hard enough to drive change in a school full of hopeless unionised teachers who are almost impossible to sack. And now they're going to be given the power to force out anyone at the top who suggests doing things differently from how they would like. This, from the Conservatives! Truly, you couldn't make this stuff up. We live in strange times indeed.

[elster]

Ten Ninety said:

God help us all. It's already hard enough to drive change in a school full of hopeless unionised teachers who are almost impossible to sack. And now they're going to be given the power to force out anyone at the top who suggests doing things differently from how they would like. This, from the Conservatives! Truly, you couldn't make this stuff up. We live in strange times indeed.

It is quite simple.

To get a head fired, you get them to educate children. That will get the mobs going.

Retards force a resignation