Herman van Rompuy - Who are you?

[loafer123]

AJLintern said:

There are ways of conducting yourself to achieve such things though - what he said may be true enough, but if you want to remain credible you've got to be a bit more subtle than that.

If he had, would we ever have heard about it?

When was the last time you saw a speech from that chamber on the news?

Oh, yes, that's right - the last time he put the cat amongst the pigeons.

[YAD061]

Strange how it made a hero out of Daniel Hannan then.....


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politic...

[Alex]

I believe Farage is insulting what Van Rumpuy represents, rather than the man himself. In this respect, I think it was justified.

[YAD061]

Trommel said:

Farage is an idiot.

I imagine he is trying to get himself ejected for more publicity.

He's a better idiot than Brown or Cameron IMO

[Balmoral Green]

YAD061 said:

Strange how it made a hero out of Daniel Hannan then.....


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politic...

Completely different IMO, no personal insults.

[FourWheelDrift]

YAD061 said:

Strange how it made a hero out of Daniel Hannan then.....


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politic...

Hannan attacked Brown's governing of the country, Farage's was just a personal insult.

[AJLintern]

YAD061 said:

Strange how it made a hero out of Daniel Hannan then.....


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politic...

That was an eloquent piece without becoming personal - good on him

[Bonefish Blues]

Alex said:

I believe Farage is insulting what Van Rumpuy represents, rather than the man himself. In this respect, I think it was justified.

Nope, don't see that - you'd be rightly offended if I had addressed our difference of opinion by calling you a snivelling tw*t or similar, simply because I disagreed with you.

Not relevant, not germane, not big, not clever - but fantastic publicity one might suppose for an individual pandering to certain views.

Go Nige, you tell 'im mate! F*cking Europeans.

[Jasandjules]

AJLintern said:

So you're saying as they have no credibility within the EU anyway, they have nothing to lose by behaving this way? I guess it's one way of stimulating some publicity for their views!

The Question you have to ask however is what Credibility the EU has (I take it from your comments to mean the EU Commission and Parliament i.e. the legislative powers) in the eyes of the populations which it purports to represent.

[YAD061]

AJLintern said:

YAD061 said:

Strange how it made a hero out of Daniel Hannan then.....


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politic...

That was an eloquent piece without becoming personal - good on him

Bein likened to a "Brezhnev era apparatchik" certainly is more eloquent than having "all the charisma of a damp rag and the appearance of a low-grade bank clerk" but both are damn good IMO.

[tangent police]

I wonder if the EU have one of these:-

[AJLintern]

Jasandjules said:

AJLintern said:

So you're saying as they have no credibility within the EU anyway, they have nothing to lose by behaving this way? I guess it's one way of stimulating some publicity for their views!

The Question you have to ask however is what Credibility the EU has (I take it from your comments to mean the EU Commission and Parliament i.e. the legislative powers) in the eyes of the populations which it purports to represent.

Not a lot of credibility true, but having someone on the inside to represent people who aren't sold on the idea of the EU is valuable and shouldn't wasted. Ok so it's all publicity, but care should be taken not to alienate themselves too much and become completely sidelined or they may as well not be part of it at all.

[Police State]

AJLintern said:

Jasandjules said:

AJLintern said:

So you're saying as they have no credibility within the EU anyway, they have nothing to lose by behaving this way? I guess it's one way of stimulating some publicity for their views!

The Question you have to ask however is what Credibility the EU has (I take it from your comments to mean the EU Commission and Parliament i.e. the legislative powers) in the eyes of the populations which it purports to represent.

Not a lot of credibility true, but having someone on the inside to represent people who aren't sold on the idea of the EU is valuable and shouldn't wasted. Ok so it's all publicity, but care should be taken not to alienate themselves too much and become completely sidelined or they may as well not be part of it at all.

Credibility?, with who? and to what end? Far too idealistic, and conformist. UKIP et al are the dog in the manger; the EU establishment will never treat them as anything else but that. UKIP's stance is crystal clear; they want out of the EU superstate, you know, the one that the various polite, smiling-while-lying, upright leaders of the constituent countries promised their people would never happen... against the backdrop of what van Rompuy and his cronies represent, Farage's insults were understated. He should have, but couldn't have called them what they really are. Trecherous, devious slugs without a mandate and fit for nothing else but dictating peoples lives to them.

[odyssey2200]

Police State said:

AJLintern said:

Jasandjules said:

AJLintern said:

So you're saying as they have no credibility within the EU anyway, they have nothing to lose by behaving this way? I guess it's one way of stimulating some publicity for their views!

The Question you have to ask however is what Credibility the EU has (I take it from your comments to mean the EU Commission and Parliament i.e. the legislative powers) in the eyes of the populations which it purports to represent.

Not a lot of credibility true, but having someone on the inside to represent people who aren't sold on the idea of the EU is valuable and shouldn't wasted. Ok so it's all publicity, but care should be taken not to alienate themselves too much and become completely sidelined or they may as well not be part of it at all.

Credibility?, with who? and to what end? Far too idealistic, and conformist. UKIP et al are the dog in the manger; the EU establishment will never treat them as anything else but that. UKIP's stance is crystal clear; they want out of the EU superstate, you know, the one that the various polite, smiling-while-lying, upright leaders of the constituent countries promised their people would never happen... against the backdrop of what van Rompuy and his cronies represent, Farage's insults were understated. He should have, but couldn't have called them what they really are. Trecherous, devious slugs without a mandate and fit for nothing else but dictating peoples lives to them.

[Jasandjules]

AJLintern said:

Not a lot of credibility true, but having someone on the inside to represent people who aren't sold on the idea of the EU is valuable and shouldn't wasted. Ok so it's all publicity, but care should be taken not to alienate themselves too much and become completely sidelined or they may as well not be part of it at all.

They are there not to represent people but to destroy the EU from within and to continue to highlight the gravy train approach so that more and more people refuse to accept being a member of the EU, thereby electing UKIP members (and their equivalents in other countries) and leading to each country withdrawing from the EU. Consider it as "the enemy within". That is their reason for being MEPs.

[AJLintern]

Ok fair enough - if that's how they intend to achieve their goal, then good luck to them. I'm not that familiar with the UKIP apart from their obvious anti-EU stance.

[YAD061]

odyssey2200 said:

Police State said:

AJLintern said:

Jasandjules said:

AJLintern said:

So you're saying as they have no credibility within the EU anyway, they have nothing to lose by behaving this way? I guess it's one way of stimulating some publicity for their views!

The Question you have to ask however is what Credibility the EU has (I take it from your comments to mean the EU Commission and Parliament i.e. the legislative powers) in the eyes of the populations which it purports to represent.

Not a lot of credibility true, but having someone on the inside to represent people who aren't sold on the idea of the EU is valuable and shouldn't wasted. Ok so it's all publicity, but care should be taken not to alienate themselves too much and become completely sidelined or they may as well not be part of it at all.

Credibility?, with who? and to what end? Far too idealistic, and conformist. UKIP et al are the dog in the manger; the EU establishment will never treat them as anything else but that. UKIP's stance is crystal clear; they want out of the EU superstate, you know, the one that the various polite, smiling-while-lying, upright leaders of the constituent countries promised their people would never happen... against the backdrop of what van Rompuy and his cronies represent, Farage's insults were understated. He should have, but couldn't have called them what they really are. Trecherous, devious slugs without a mandate and fit for nothing else but dictating peoples lives to them.

seconded

[dandarez]

YAD061 said:

odyssey2200 said:

Police State said:

AJLintern said:

Jasandjules said:

AJLintern said:

So you're saying as they have no credibility within the EU anyway, they have nothing to lose by behaving this way? I guess it's one way of stimulating some publicity for their views!

The Question you have to ask however is what Credibility the EU has (I take it from your comments to mean the EU Commission and Parliament i.e. the legislative powers) in the eyes of the populations which it purports to represent.

Not a lot of credibility true, but having someone on the inside to represent people who aren't sold on the idea of the EU is valuable and shouldn't wasted. Ok so it's all publicity, but care should be taken not to alienate themselves too much and become completely sidelined or they may as well not be part of it at all.

Credibility?, with who? and to what end? Far too idealistic, and conformist. UKIP et al are the dog in the manger; the EU establishment will never treat them as anything else but that. UKIP's stance is crystal clear; they want out of the EU superstate, you know, the one that the various polite, smiling-while-lying, upright leaders of the constituent countries promised their people would never happen... against the backdrop of what van Rompuy and his cronies represent, Farage's insults were understated. He should have, but couldn't have called them what they really are. Trecherous, devious slugs without a mandate and fit for nothing else but dictating peoples lives to them.

seconded

seconded

[AJLintern]

Shouldn't that be thirded?

[odyssey2200]

AJLintern said:

Shouldn't that be thirded?

wouldn't a second second be a fourth?