Tory lead down to 2%

[johnfm]

I do think the Tories are not doing themselves any favours at the moment.

They have failed to lay down the challenge to Brown. Every time that one eye fantasist challenges DMC on policy, all DMC has to do is tell Winky to name the election date.

Why bother mentioning bullying in PMQs? Economy Economy Economy.

It is where the reds are most vulnerable.

DMC needs to remind the electorate that Winky and Slugbrows are borrowing £500 million a day to pay for their social engineering. Assuming a ten hour working day, that's £50 million an hour. So, next PMQs, he could ask Gordon from whom he is borrowing the £25million for the next half hour and what he is intending to spend it on.

[andy400]

CDP said:

andy400 said:

thinfourth2 said:

Space aliens will invade and take over the planet

This works for me! Anything would be better than another term of Labour....

We just need to persuade them that white sportswear, baseball caps and gold chains make people taste better.

This gets rid of the chavs while their salt, fat and clymidia content will quickly finish off the aliens leaving the world a better place.

Good plan!

[CDP]

johnfm said:

DMC needs to remind the electorate that Winky and Slugbrows are borrowing £500 million a day to pay for their social engineering. Assuming a ten hour working day, that's £50 million an hour. So, next PMQs, he could ask Gordon from whom he is borrowing the £25million for the next half hour and what he is intending to spend it on.

I think the Conservatives are trying to lose this election:

The second half of the W is coming soon and their ideal position would be a hung parliament with Brown backed up by the Liberals. How well do you think Brown could cooperate with the Liberals?

After a couple of days this government would collapse and a new leader would be required. A second "unelected PM" (not technically true) on the trot.

When the recession returns and the UK loses it's credit rating the lib-lab pact would get the full blame. Cue second big fallout and government collapse in six months and new election.

Unfortunately it's very likely by this point we will have a "fair" electoral process preventing the Tories from an overall majority so they would have to go in with UKIP. Followed by big fall out and collapse about 6 months later.

After the third or fourth government in the year the BNP will form a far left coalition with the Greens and we're all stuffed.

[DSM2]

andy400 said:

Yet more evidence to convince me that the majority of the British electorate are intensely stupid. How anyone can think another term of Labour is a good idea is utterly beyond me.

+ 1

[don4l]

stevejh said:

Now is not the time to be voting on principle, now is the time to get this bunch of wasters out of power before they destroy the country any more. Principle can wait for by-elections and council elections.

The country is already destroyed. We haven't had to face the consequences yet because the markets are still focussed on the problems with Greece. After Greece, will come Spain, Portugal and Ireland. Then the focus will shift to the UK. At that point, we will be forced back to the IMF.

Whoever is in power when the IMF policies are implemented will be out of office for a generation.

Short term thinking got us into this mess. I would be quite happy to see Labour forced to make the swingeing spending and benefit cuts that will be forced on the UK.

I'll vote UKIP for now. If enough people do the same, the conservatives will be forced back to their basic principles and after a couple of years of a hung parliament we will get a chance to vote for real Conservatives. This would be very good in the long term.


Don
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[turbobloke]

Lots of balls of crystal around, but who knows what will happen...whoever gets in it sure is a hospital pass to be elected this year.

[unrepentant]

DSM2 said:

andy400 said:

Yet more evidence to convince me that the majority of the British electorate are intensely stupid. How anyone can think another term of Labour is a good idea is utterly beyond me.

+ 1

It's not as simple as that though. This government is absolutely shocking and most people would like to be shot of them but in order to get rid of them you have to have an alternative. A government led by Cameron and Osborne is not an alternative that is remotely palatable to most people, including a lot of tories. It says much about the ineptitude of CMD that he has blown a 26 point poll lead and a lot of floating voters, faced with the choice between him and Brown, actually prefer Brown!

The Tory party must be rueing the day that central office allowed some aparatchick from Buckingham Palace to bully them into giving a job to the Queens cousin......

[turbobloke]

unrepentant said:

DSM2 said:

andy400 said:

Yet more evidence to convince me that the majority of the British electorate are intensely stupid. How anyone can think another term of Labour is a good idea is utterly beyond me.

+ 1

It's not as simple as that though. This government is absolutely shocking and most people would like to be shot of them but in order to get rid of them you have to have an alternative. A government led by Cameron and Osborne is not an alternative that is remotely palatable to most people, including a lot of tories. It says much about the ineptitude of CMD that he has blown a 26 point poll lead and a lot of floating voters, faced with the choice between him and Brown, actually prefer Brown!

The Tory party must be rueing the day that central office allowed some aparatchick from Buckingham Palace to bully them into giving a job to the Queens cousin......

Fifth cousin twice removed, looking to be once elected. Possibly more than once.

[sjn2004]

cymtriks said:

Doesn't surprise me at all.

The longer Brown leaves the election the further into history the banks and expenses fiascos become.

The longer Brown leaves the election the more time voters have to assess Cameron.

The first three times I noted a comment made by cameron he was so off message (for me at least) it was obvious that the election was going to be a two horse race, not the walk over that we could expect.

Just to recap:

• I'm so green I just stuck a windmill on my roof
• We can't afford to reinstate student grants
• We won't be a party of cuts and low taxes

Dave,
Do you honestly think that your windmill stunt fooled anyone? How long will it take just to repay the energy used to make it?
You know perfectly well that grants are only unaffordable because universities have been cynically expanded to hide youth unemployment by sending millions of kids to do courses that won't benefit them or the country one iota. We don't need half the country to have a degree, more like 3%, in which case grants might actually be a very simple and effective way to fund it.
Taxes and cuts. Have you noticed that we are 800 billion in the red? Stop mucking about and tell us how you intend to deal with it. At the moment it looks as if you are totally incapable of doing what is necessary. That in turn means you aren't fit for the job.

He's also backed down on Europe in the last few weeks and offering free asylum for any "gay" Africans. Not exactly the things people wanted to hear. Maybe if he had said, "We'll pull out of the Lisbon Treaty to assure British jobs for British workers and all asylum applications will be dealt with in 3 months" would have seen a better response in the polls.

Edited by sjn2004 on Sunday 28th February 14:24

[DSM2]

unrepentant said:

DSM2 said:

andy400 said:

Yet more evidence to convince me that the majority of the British electorate are intensely stupid. How anyone can think another term of Labour is a good idea is utterly beyond me.

+ 1

It's not as simple as that though. This government is absolutely shocking and most people would like to be shot of them but in order to get rid of them you have to have an alternative. A government led by Cameron and Osborne is not an alternative that is remotely palatable to most people, including a lot of tories. It says much about the ineptitude of CMD that he has blown a 26 point poll lead and a lot of floating voters, faced with the choice between him and Brown, actually prefer Brown!

The Tory party must be rueing the day that central office allowed some aparatchick from Buckingham Palace to bully them into giving a job to the Queens cousin......

The alternative may not be palatable but we have the living proof of the utter incompetence of the incumbents.

Things couldn't really get worse.

Unless Brown and his bunch of crooks and ethically bankrupt, intellectually bereft pals get back in.

[CDP]

TVR Moneypit said:

And why oh why are the BNP still being put in the same band as UKIP? Perhaps all of those who are considering voting for the BNP should read the partys manifesto, which IIRC includes plans to nationalize every business in the UK and thats before we get onto their social cleansing policys.

Because the left leaning BBC and other pillars of the state would rather we thought of the BNP as a right wing party. I'm not sure if it's because they want to tarnish the right with the racist brush or whether they see the BNP as their real chance to establish a hard line socialist state.

Either way they terrify any decent person who thinks about the potential directions politics could be heading if things really melt down the way they are threatening.

[catso]

thinfourth2 said:

or more likely

Space aliens will invade and take over the planet

Probably the best option TBH.

But we need Labour out. As it stands the country is broken, possibly beyond repair? but another term of social experimentation will surely finish us off...

[Puggit]

When all is said and done, the polls in '92 showed a Labour win - and we all know Major pulled it off.

Which is a shame, as my father was going to move to Colorado if Kinnock won power

[plasticpig]

The problem is non of the parties is coming up with solutions that will actually fix the problems. Campaigning on the basis that you will need to cut spending by £100+ billion to fix anything quickly is political suicide. If any politician came along and said we need to cut public spending by 15% and raise general taxation by 5% I would vote for them. They would at least be giving realistic view of what needs to be done to fix the finances.

The Conservatives (or any other party for that matter) can't do this because no one would vote for them.

[ShadownINja]

Someone on LBC said that the problem is that people don't associate the recession with Labour. Everyone blames... greedy bankers.

[unrepentant]

Puggit said:

When all is said and done, the polls in '92 showed a Labour win - and we all know Major pulled it off.

That was different because Major was the incumbent. In fact, if you use that as an example Labours share will likely increase as voters often switch "back" late as they decide they can't contemplate the alternative and will also lie to pollsters where the government is very unpopular. Both happened in 92 and Major had the added bonus of Kinnochios "Sheffield Gate"......

[CDP]

ShadownINja said:

Someone on LBC said that the problem is that people don't associate the recession with Labour. Everyone blames... greedy bankers.

Forgetting (of course) who changed the regulation of the UK banks to allow it to happen. Not only that but the US banks were de-regulated in response to "prevent all the banks migrating to London".

So he trashed two countries.

[thinfourth2]

TVR Moneypit said:

I honestly don't believe that 'Dave' is up to the job. Perhaps it would be better if Labour won again? If they had to sleep in their own st? If the country really, really took as massive dive? A few years of major pain, then back on our feet, sending Labour and bloody socialism back to the dark ages for a good 20 years. My real fear is that the Conservatives win, and 4-5 years down the line our dumb as feck population gets fed up with the tax rises and spending cuts that are so desperatly needed, and votes Labour back in for another 10+ years.

My feelings exactly

Another 5 years of labour please an almighty kick up the arse for the UK and no more bloody socalism


Or Space Aliens

[mybrainhurts]

thinfourth2 said:

TVR Moneypit said:

I honestly don't believe that 'Dave' is up to the job. Perhaps it would be better if Labour won again? If they had to sleep in their own st? If the country really, really took as massive dive? A few years of major pain, then back on our feet, sending Labour and bloody socialism back to the dark ages for a good 20 years. My real fear is that the Conservatives win, and 4-5 years down the line our dumb as feck population gets fed up with the tax rises and spending cuts that are so desperatly needed, and votes Labour back in for another 10+ years.

My feelings exactly

Another 5 years of labour please an almighty kick up the arse for the UK and no more bloody socalism

Good point...

I'd love to see Winky's scorched earth sabotage come back to bite his arse into a bloody pulp...

If he has an ounce of intelligence, he'll be cacking himself after that headline...

Which is nice....

[JagLover]

It is interesting that by reaching the bottom many people think it is automatic the country will abandon Socialism. The experience of other countries does not back this up.

Argentina for example has been reduced from 1st world to 3rd world status by Socialists and is currently ruled by, yes, Socialists.

What tends to happen in these countries is a further entrenchment of the client state, the worse the economy performs. Those most willing to eject the incumbants are also the first to emigrate in search of better opportunities abroad.