Jon Venables back in prison
Discussion
monthefish said:
Parrot of Doom said:
Dave_ST220 said:
A 10 year old, no matter what the upbringing, knows what they did was serverly wrong. I have a daughter about the same age as James, how anyone, no matter what age, could do what those evil b
ds did is beyond me.
Of course they knew it was wrong.ds did is beyond me.They simply didn't care, and that is entirely as a result of their horrific upbringing.
I'm amazed at how often this simple but important fact needs to be repeated.
What they did was more evil and extreme than any 'ubringing' or 'social issues' could ever begin to justify/explain.
nonegreen said:
There really are all kinds of complex arguments about this case. I suggest that if the vast majority of the PH contributors put themselves in the position of being 10 years old, having done what these 2 boys have done and have seen the news announce the facts and it bocome clear you are about to be caught! STOP. At this point if you are imagining being confronted by 2 concerned parents, then you have no understanding of Venables and Thompsons life. There were no male role models about for one of them and the other was deprived of one most of the time.
There are a whole host of reasons why wee should be compassionate and thats why Michael Howards sentance extension to 15 years was overturned. In the end it boils down to this. Are we going to be compassionate to everyone? To the point where we apportion blame to vitims and criminals alike? Or, are we going to draw a line in the sand and refuse to allow anyone who crosses it to have rights? My vote is for the latter, always. It is easy to make arguments about why stuff like this happens. Poverty, poor communities, lack of community influence, the labour party, Bevan and his welfare state. A whole host of reasons and people who are responsible.
These kids came from a sthole, where living conditions were intollerable and guidance was non existant. There is, however a degree of humanity which exists even at a basic level in us all and to that extent even at 10 years old they knew they were being savages. A single bullet to the head should have been their fate. No torture, no beatings as that merely serves to further prove that society was broken in this place. An admission of guilt by all of us and move on is far more honest than all the bleeding heart pschobabble and political correctness can ever be.
What is about to happen will be truly awful as its unlikely his identity will be kept secret. I would not like to be a 27 year old scouser who has just been sent down for burglary.
Excellent post lost at the bottom of page 4. I've put some spaces in to encourage others to read it...There are a whole host of reasons why wee should be compassionate and thats why Michael Howards sentance extension to 15 years was overturned. In the end it boils down to this. Are we going to be compassionate to everyone? To the point where we apportion blame to vitims and criminals alike? Or, are we going to draw a line in the sand and refuse to allow anyone who crosses it to have rights? My vote is for the latter, always. It is easy to make arguments about why stuff like this happens. Poverty, poor communities, lack of community influence, the labour party, Bevan and his welfare state. A whole host of reasons and people who are responsible.
These kids came from a s
thole, where living conditions were intollerable and guidance was non existant. There is, however a degree of humanity which exists even at a basic level in us all and to that extent even at 10 years old they knew they were being savages. A single bullet to the head should have been their fate. No torture, no beatings as that merely serves to further prove that society was broken in this place. An admission of guilt by all of us and move on is far more honest than all the bleeding heart pschobabble and political correctness can ever be. What is about to happen will be truly awful as its unlikely his identity will be kept secret. I would not like to be a 27 year old scouser who has just been sent down for burglary.
+1 Very articulate.freecar said:
I love the warm sense of community that can be felt here at pistonheads. Where a crowd can ignorantly bay for blood like savages yet condemn the same savage behaviour.
Parents, do one thing for me.
Abuse your children, treat them with contempt, never be proud of them for anything. beat them when you feel like hurting something and put lit cigarettes out on them for fun.
Now don't feed them properly, get them drunk and beat them when they are sick, make sure they have no possessions of their own and that they know that they are possessions of yours, that you don't care about.
Now, dominate every aspect of their lives, prevent them from going to school or make them go in dirty, smelly clothes. Make sure they don't have any friends that they want, choose their friends for them, ones that they can get to shoplift for you. Make them watch terrifying films and create an environment of fear and swift reprisals.
After doing all that see what they're capable of.
Amazing how easy it is to "break" a child.
IS that what happened with Venables...? I thought he was supposed to be from an OK-ish sort of family?Parents, do one thing for me.
Abuse your children, treat them with contempt, never be proud of them for anything. beat them when you feel like hurting something and put lit cigarettes out on them for fun.
Now don't feed them properly, get them drunk and beat them when they are sick, make sure they have no possessions of their own and that they know that they are possessions of yours, that you don't care about.
Now, dominate every aspect of their lives, prevent them from going to school or make them go in dirty, smelly clothes. Make sure they don't have any friends that they want, choose their friends for them, ones that they can get to shoplift for you. Make them watch terrifying films and create an environment of fear and swift reprisals.
After doing all that see what they're capable of.
Amazing how easy it is to "break" a child.
esselte said:
freecar said:
I love the warm sense of community that can be felt here at pistonheads. Where a crowd can ignorantly bay for blood like savages yet condemn the same savage behaviour.
Parents, do one thing for me.
Abuse your children, treat them with contempt, never be proud of them for anything. beat them when you feel like hurting something and put lit cigarettes out on them for fun.
Now don't feed them properly, get them drunk and beat them when they are sick, make sure they have no possessions of their own and that they know that they are possessions of yours, that you don't care about.
Now, dominate every aspect of their lives, prevent them from going to school or make them go in dirty, smelly clothes. Make sure they don't have any friends that they want, choose their friends for them, ones that they can get to shoplift for you. Make them watch terrifying films and create an environment of fear and swift reprisals.
After doing all that see what they're capable of.
Amazing how easy it is to "break" a child.
IS that what happened with Venables...? I thought he was supposed to be from an OK-ish sort of family?Parents, do one thing for me.
Abuse your children, treat them with contempt, never be proud of them for anything. beat them when you feel like hurting something and put lit cigarettes out on them for fun.
Now don't feed them properly, get them drunk and beat them when they are sick, make sure they have no possessions of their own and that they know that they are possessions of yours, that you don't care about.
Now, dominate every aspect of their lives, prevent them from going to school or make them go in dirty, smelly clothes. Make sure they don't have any friends that they want, choose their friends for them, ones that they can get to shoplift for you. Make them watch terrifying films and create an environment of fear and swift reprisals.
After doing all that see what they're capable of.
Amazing how easy it is to "break" a child.
tangent police said:
esselte said:
freecar said:
I love the warm sense of community that can be felt here at pistonheads. Where a crowd can ignorantly bay for blood like savages yet condemn the same savage behaviour.
Parents, do one thing for me.
Abuse your children, treat them with contempt, never be proud of them for anything. beat them when you feel like hurting something and put lit cigarettes out on them for fun.
Now don't feed them properly, get them drunk and beat them when they are sick, make sure they have no possessions of their own and that they know that they are possessions of yours, that you don't care about.
Now, dominate every aspect of their lives, prevent them from going to school or make them go in dirty, smelly clothes. Make sure they don't have any friends that they want, choose their friends for them, ones that they can get to shoplift for you. Make them watch terrifying films and create an environment of fear and swift reprisals.
After doing all that see what they're capable of.
Amazing how easy it is to "break" a child.
IS that what happened with Venables...? I thought he was supposed to be from an OK-ish sort of family?Parents, do one thing for me.
Abuse your children, treat them with contempt, never be proud of them for anything. beat them when you feel like hurting something and put lit cigarettes out on them for fun.
Now don't feed them properly, get them drunk and beat them when they are sick, make sure they have no possessions of their own and that they know that they are possessions of yours, that you don't care about.
Now, dominate every aspect of their lives, prevent them from going to school or make them go in dirty, smelly clothes. Make sure they don't have any friends that they want, choose their friends for them, ones that they can get to shoplift for you. Make them watch terrifying films and create an environment of fear and swift reprisals.
After doing all that see what they're capable of.
Amazing how easy it is to "break" a child.
I'm just a civilised human being, not someone pretending to be but forgetting all civilisation when it suits.
esselte said:
freecar said:
I love the warm sense of community that can be felt here at pistonheads. Where a crowd can ignorantly bay for blood like savages yet condemn the same savage behaviour.
Parents, do one thing for me.
Abuse your children, treat them with contempt, never be proud of them for anything. beat them when you feel like hurting something and put lit cigarettes out on them for fun.
Now don't feed them properly, get them drunk and beat them when they are sick, make sure they have no possessions of their own and that they know that they are possessions of yours, that you don't care about.
Now, dominate every aspect of their lives, prevent them from going to school or make them go in dirty, smelly clothes. Make sure they don't have any friends that they want, choose their friends for them, ones that they can get to shoplift for you. Make them watch terrifying films and create an environment of fear and swift reprisals.
After doing all that see what they're capable of.
Amazing how easy it is to "break" a child.
IS that what happened with Venables...? I thought he was supposed to be from an OK-ish sort of family?Parents, do one thing for me.
Abuse your children, treat them with contempt, never be proud of them for anything. beat them when you feel like hurting something and put lit cigarettes out on them for fun.
Now don't feed them properly, get them drunk and beat them when they are sick, make sure they have no possessions of their own and that they know that they are possessions of yours, that you don't care about.
Now, dominate every aspect of their lives, prevent them from going to school or make them go in dirty, smelly clothes. Make sure they don't have any friends that they want, choose their friends for them, ones that they can get to shoplift for you. Make them watch terrifying films and create an environment of fear and swift reprisals.
After doing all that see what they're capable of.
Amazing how easy it is to "break" a child.
k and dragged them out. Thompson ran away and blubbed to his mum that she had hit him. She dragged him to the police station and asked a police officer to give him a lecture. Understandably there are a lot of strong opinions/feelings on this subject.
Obviously no amount of debating on the internet will change what happened on the horrible day, nor is it likely to effect anything going forward. However, you do have the opportunity to offer a little bit of comfort to the poor childs mother.
You may not believe in supporting the project per se (although it is a good one), but James' mother appears to be trying to let go of her immense grief and putting her energy into something very positive in his memory.
"If James Bulger House can help save the life of just one child in that terrible situation then it will be a fitting tribute to my son."
http://www.justgiving.com/jamesbulger/
Obviously no amount of debating on the internet will change what happened on the horrible day, nor is it likely to effect anything going forward. However, you do have the opportunity to offer a little bit of comfort to the poor childs mother.
You may not believe in supporting the project per se (although it is a good one), but James' mother appears to be trying to let go of her immense grief and putting her energy into something very positive in his memory.
"If James Bulger House can help save the life of just one child in that terrible situation then it will be a fitting tribute to my son."
http://www.justgiving.com/jamesbulger/
monthefish said:
Parrot of Doom said:
Dave_ST220 said:
A 10 year old, no matter what the upbringing, knows what they did was serverly wrong. I have a daughter about the same age as James, how anyone, no matter what age, could do what those evil bds did is beyond me.
Of course they knew it was wrong.ds did is beyond me.They simply didn't care, and that is entirely as a result of their horrific upbringing.
I'm amazed at how often this simple but important fact needs to be repeated.
What they did was more evil and extreme than any 'ubringing' or 'social issues' could ever begin to justify/explain.
Parrot of Doom said:
monthefish said:
Parrot of Doom said:
Dave_ST220 said:
A 10 year old, no matter what the upbringing, knows what they did was serverly wrong. I have a daughter about the same age as James, how anyone, no matter what age, could do what those evil bds did is beyond me.
Of course they knew it was wrong.ds did is beyond me.They simply didn't care, and that is entirely as a result of their horrific upbringing.
I'm amazed at how often this simple but important fact needs to be repeated.
What they did was more evil and extreme than any 'ubringing' or 'social issues' could ever begin to justify/explain.
Dai Capp said:
just as an aside, I'm sure I read somewhere a while back that Robert Thompson (although under his new name) had been arrested in Northern Ireland for murder...
DC
Kilcooley estate in Bangor, County Down. A few high profile cases that are being rehomed have been set up there. Including supposedly that wee fecker.DC
Probably not long before the local Paramilitaries get their courage back and top someone there.
Hopefully.
Parrot of Doom said:
monthefish said:
Parrot of Doom said:
Dave_ST220 said:
A 10 year old, no matter what the upbringing, knows what they did was serverly wrong. I have a daughter about the same age as James, how anyone, no matter what age, could do what those evil bds did is beyond me.
Of course they knew it was wrong.ds did is beyond me.They simply didn't care, and that is entirely as a result of their horrific upbringing.
I'm amazed at how often this simple but important fact needs to be repeated.
What they did was more evil and extreme than any 'ubringing' or 'social issues' could ever begin to justify/explain.
The atrocities carried out in the name of war?
'...overide the human instincts...'?
The mind can be a fragile thing, particularly the mind of a child.
monthefish said:
Parrot of Doom said:
monthefish said:
Parrot of Doom said:
Dave_ST220 said:
A 10 year old, no matter what the upbringing, knows what they did was serverly wrong. I have a daughter about the same age as James, how anyone, no matter what age, could do what those evil bds did is beyond me.
Of course they knew it was wrong.ds did is beyond me.They simply didn't care, and that is entirely as a result of their horrific upbringing.
I'm amazed at how often this simple but important fact needs to be repeated.
What they did was more evil and extreme than any 'ubringing' or 'social issues' could ever begin to justify/explain.
micky g said:
Parrot of Doom said:
monthefish said:
Parrot of Doom said:
Dave_ST220 said:
A 10 year old, no matter what the upbringing, knows what they did was serverly wrong. I have a daughter about the same age as James, how anyone, no matter what age, could do what those evil bds did is beyond me.
Of course they knew it was wrong.ds did is beyond me.They simply didn't care, and that is entirely as a result of their horrific upbringing.
I'm amazed at how often this simple but important fact needs to be repeated.
What they did was more evil and extreme than any 'ubringing' or 'social issues' could ever begin to justify/explain.
The atrocities carried out in the name of war?
'...overide the human instincts...'?
The mind can be a fragile thing, particularly the mind of a child.
Parrot of Doom said:
monthefish said:
Parrot of Doom said:
monthefish said:
Parrot of Doom said:
Dave_ST220 said:
A 10 year old, no matter what the upbringing, knows what they did was serverly wrong. I have a daughter about the same age as James, how anyone, no matter what age, could do what those evil bds did is beyond me.
Of course they knew it was wrong.ds did is beyond me.They simply didn't care, and that is entirely as a result of their horrific upbringing.
I'm amazed at how often this simple but important fact needs to be repeated.
What they did was more evil and extreme than any 'ubringing' or 'social issues' could ever begin to justify/explain.
parrot of doom said:
They simply didn't care, and that is entirely as a result of their horrific upbringing.
Prove it.Can anyone recall that experiment where people where fooled into believing they were giving their colleagues electric shocks? It didn't take much to coerce them to knowingly issue painful and dangerous currents. Now this didn't take long and was done by normal people from a variety of backgrounds.
Think how easy it would be for a kid brought up in the conditions these two were, it would be nothing more to them than pulling the wings off a fly
Think how easy it would be for a kid brought up in the conditions these two were, it would be nothing more to them than pulling the wings off a fly
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