Jon Venables back in prison
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go and read http://www.murderuk.com/child_killers_thompson_ven...
then understand why these two should never be free, end of.
then understand why these two should never be free, end of.
dundarach said:
go and read http://www.murderuk.com/child_killers_thompson_ven...
then understand why these two should never be free, end of.
I Don't need too. then understand why these two should never be free, end of.
seriously these two need to be put through the same things they put poor Jamie through....right to the endEdited by y2blade on Wednesday 3rd March 11:55
dundarach said:
No, don't. They tortured and murdered a child, and unless you're the family of the victim or part of the jury in the trial then you don't need to know any more than that. Why would anyone go out of their way to read about a horrific case like this in all its gory detail? It seems a bit ghoulish to me.gadfly said:
dundarach said:
No, don't. They tortured and murdered a child, and unless you're the family of the victim or part of the jury in the trial then you don't need to know any more than that. Why would anyone go out of their way to read about a horrific case like this in all its gory detail? It seems a bit ghoulish to me.Edited by southendpier on Wednesday 3rd March 12:15
Morningside said:
I do remember someone on here posting on a thread about Maxine Carr being 'over the road' - It was very quickly deleted.
She apparantly worked in a local tesco to us for a few months. Suppose you never know how true these stories are though. Although someone did attack her whilst at work.esselte said:
10 Pence Short said:
I would hate for all the people I know to judge my actions as a 10 year old through the eyes of an adult. Must be great being so perfect.
Don't you think they knew they were doing wrong TPS?You often read about kids doing things and wonder how they dont know that its wrong. Take those kids a few months back who battered to two young lads, one to within an inch of his life.
Local social services knew the kids were 'feral' but couldnt do much about it. At 10, you are a product of your parents and the parents need to take responsibility for what they have produced.
esselte said:
10 Pence Short said:
I would hate for all the people I know to judge my actions as a 10 year old through the eyes of an adult. Must be great being so perfect.
Don't you think they knew they were doing wrong TPS?Either way, to judge a 27 year old man on the actions of a 10 year old boy seems unrealistic and far too easy a trap to fall into, in my opinion. If we stop believing people can be changed by age, notwithstanding the justice system, we stop believing in human nature and the justice system altogether. No doubt there'll be respondants furiously tapping on their keyboards as they read this saying precisely that. It's an easy opinion to have but a harder one to justify.
Whatever reason for his recall to prison on this occasion, it at least shows the 'system' is doing what it should.
Pork said:
esselte said:
10 Pence Short said:
I would hate for all the people I know to judge my actions as a 10 year old through the eyes of an adult. Must be great being so perfect.
Don't you think they knew they were doing wrong TPS?You often read about kids doing things and wonder how they dont know that its wrong. Take those kids a few months back who battered to two young lads, one to within an inch of his life.
Local social services knew the kids were 'feral' but couldnt do much about it. At 10, you are a product of your parents and the parents need to take responsibility for what they have produced.
scum will always breed scum
the futures bright eh
10 Pence Short said:
esselte said:
10 Pence Short said:
I would hate for all the people I know to judge my actions as a 10 year old through the eyes of an adult. Must be great being so perfect.
Don't you think they knew they were doing wrong TPS?Either way, to judge a 27 year old man on the actions of a 10 year old boy seems unrealistic and far too easy a trap to fall into, in my opinion. If we stop believing people can be changed by age, notwithstanding the justice system, we stop believing in human nature and the justice system altogether. No doubt there'll be respondants furiously tapping on their keyboards as they read this saying precisely that. It's an easy opinion to have but a harder one to justify.
Whatever reason for his recall to prison on this occasion, it at least shows the 'system' is doing what it should.
I agree there's a possible nurture/nature issue here..ironically,according to some reports, Venables was the one who was being led by Thompson...yet it's Venables who's tripped up first...esselte said:
You've not really answered my question TPS....do you think they knew that they had done wrong when then killed Jamie Bulger..?
How could we possibly know? You would expect a child to know the difference between doing right and wrong, but that doesn't mean they fully understood the enormity or consequences of their actions. It wouldn't be surprising if a lot of their reasoning was based upon the treatment the received at home.If those two individuals remain a danger to themselves or others, then by all means keep them in custody. If either of them are capable of demonstrating they can be productive and safe in society, why keep them in prison for something they did as a child?
I also look at these things with an eye on politics. The reporting restrictions and populist opinion gained from locking up a person nobody in this country gives a sh*t about make it a nice way of getting good headlines without any huge comeback. By the time an appeal against being returned to prison could be gathered the current party won't be in power.
Of course any 10 year old understands it's wrong to drop a toddler on his head, beat him with an iron bar, shove batteries up his arse and then lie his dieing body on a railway track.
It is literally unfathomable how anyone can think otherwise, regardless of the offenders' upbringings which, whilst far from ideal, are not nearly as feral as would be neccessary for there to be no understanding of the heinousness of their crime.
It is literally unfathomable how anyone can think otherwise, regardless of the offenders' upbringings which, whilst far from ideal, are not nearly as feral as would be neccessary for there to be no understanding of the heinousness of their crime.
bonsai said:
Of course any 10 year old understands it's wrong to drop a toddler on his head, beat him with an iron bar, shove batteries up his arse and then lie his dieing body on a railway track.
It is literally unfathomable how anyone can think otherwise, regardless of the offenders' upbringings which, whilst far from ideal, are not nearly as feral as would be neccessary for there to be no understanding of the heinousness of their crime.
You're entitled to your opinion. You have to ask why the law disagrees with you, though.It is literally unfathomable how anyone can think otherwise, regardless of the offenders' upbringings which, whilst far from ideal, are not nearly as feral as would be neccessary for there to be no understanding of the heinousness of their crime.
10 Pence Short said:
bonsai said:
Of course any 10 year old understands it's wrong to drop a toddler on his head, beat him with an iron bar, shove batteries up his arse and then lie his dieing body on a railway track.
It is literally unfathomable how anyone can think otherwise, regardless of the offenders' upbringings which, whilst far from ideal, are not nearly as feral as would be neccessary for there to be no understanding of the heinousness of their crime.
You're entitled to your opinion. You have to ask why the law disagrees with you, though.It is literally unfathomable how anyone can think otherwise, regardless of the offenders' upbringings which, whilst far from ideal, are not nearly as feral as would be neccessary for there to be no understanding of the heinousness of their crime.
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