Jon Venables back in prison
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I don’t understand the logic behind spending thousands/hundreds of thousands on new identities for him. And I don’t understand why he is afforded lifelong anonymity, at great expense to the public purse.
There’s an argument that he should have anonymity after his first release from prison. When he murdered James Bulger, he was a minor, etc. They thought he was rehabilitated and that’s why he was released and so on (obviously BS as his two further stints in the clink now highlight).
But when he committed the second and third crime, why can’t he be pictured and named like any other adult, accused of committing any other crime? I mean when Cliff Richard was accused of something the BBC were above his house in a chopper, filming the whole thing. No one else accused of similar crimes is afforded anonymity. Why is he?
Convicted paedophiles aren’t given new identities on the inside or when released. Nor are convicted murderers.
Why should people be in contempt of court for sharing his picture or current whereabouts? He’s a 35 year old man who has been to jail three times for the most abhorrent crimes.
There’s an argument that he should have anonymity after his first release from prison. When he murdered James Bulger, he was a minor, etc. They thought he was rehabilitated and that’s why he was released and so on (obviously BS as his two further stints in the clink now highlight).
But when he committed the second and third crime, why can’t he be pictured and named like any other adult, accused of committing any other crime? I mean when Cliff Richard was accused of something the BBC were above his house in a chopper, filming the whole thing. No one else accused of similar crimes is afforded anonymity. Why is he?
Convicted paedophiles aren’t given new identities on the inside or when released. Nor are convicted murderers.
Why should people be in contempt of court for sharing his picture or current whereabouts? He’s a 35 year old man who has been to jail three times for the most abhorrent crimes.
GloverMart said:
Twitter last night was offering up pictures of someone that, is claimed, is Venables as he looks now. Not going to link it, but if his cover has been blown again, how can he ever live a normal life?
ETA - I don't think they should ever have been released!
I've just been looking at that.ETA - I don't think they should ever have been released!
foobies said:
But when he committed the second and third crime, why can’t he be pictured and named like any other adult, accused of committing any other crime?
Because then the public purse would be paying for 24/7 security until his death, much cheaper to change identity.If the pic of that bloke is real, he will also have been moved to solitary as he will be killed in prison in minutes, and the guards won't be rushing to help.
hyphen said:
Because then the public purse would be paying for 24/7 security until his death, much cheaper to change identity.
If the pic of that bloke is real, he will also have been moved to solitary as he will be killed in prison in minutes, and the guards won't be rushing to help.
Understand what you are saying but why should he be afforded security? He is the criminal here, not the victim. If the pic of that bloke is real, he will also have been moved to solitary as he will be killed in prison in minutes, and the guards won't be rushing to help.
Do all paedophiles and people who harm children get afforded the same protection and expense?
I won’t pretend I know much about criminality because I don’t. But what I do know is that I’ve read more than once about a paedophile being murdered/disembowelled in prison.
As far as I’m concerned if you are convicted of crimes against children, violent reprisals are to be expected (rightly or wrongly). I would go so far as to say they’re an occupational hazard for someone who delights in the crimes this guy perpetrates.
My personal view is that these people are not criminals as such, as their motive is not money for example, or anger, they take pleasure from their actions and so I think they are mentally ill. I would rather they were sectioned in a mental institution for life.
It is not unimaginable that a pitchforked mob would turn up for someone with this guys profile so he probably gets more protection than your average aped who just moves house to another county.
foobies said:
Do all paedophiles and people who harm children get afforded the same protection and expense?
I think the police are required to protect anyone who is in immediate danger, if they hear intel that a gangster is about to be attacked they even go and warn him iirc.It is not unimaginable that a pitchforked mob would turn up for someone with this guys profile so he probably gets more protection than your average aped who just moves house to another county.
Edited by hyphen on Saturday 25th November 17:08
hyphen said:
I think the police are required to protect anyone who is in immediate danger, if they hear intel that a gangster is about to be attacked they even go and warn him iirc.
It is not unimaginable that a pitchforked mob would turn up for someone with this guys profile so he probably gets more protection than your average aped who just moves house to another county.
I can’t agree with that, but I respect your opinion and I can understand your reasoning. The things this guy has done are abhorrent and are in my view, crimes of the worst degree. It is not unimaginable that a pitchforked mob would turn up for someone with this guys profile so he probably gets more protection than your average aped who just moves house to another county.
Edited by hyphen on Saturday 25th November 17:08
I can maybe understand a new identity after murdering James Bulger, because he was only a minor at the time. I don’t think he deserved a second chance, but obviously the powers that be decided he did.
After reoffending repeatedly I don’t understand why he is being afforded continued anonymity. Other paedophiles are named and splashed all over the papers, even before being found guilty. I’m not saying this is right, but I just cannot understand why he is being protected when other paedophiles and murderers aren’t. Yes he’s at risk of reprisals, but like I said, when you do the things he’s done, it’s an occupational hazard.
I agree I’d like him away for life with absolutely no prospect of release - but for me a max security prison. That way the public, and children, have to suffer at his hands no further. And there’s zero risk of him reoffending - which he has now done, twice.
Gecko1978 said:
the problem with the photo is you don't know its him an some poor b
d might end up getting stabbed etc because its them not venables.
i recall part of the issue was the evil keeps drinking doing snort then telling people who he really is.
Can’t disagree with that at all. If someone is posting the wrong image then they should be dealt with very robustly. d might end up getting stabbed etc because its them not venables.i recall part of the issue was the evil
keeps drinking doing snort then telling people who he really is.But if it is the right image, and the police obviously know if it is or isn’t, then he should be afforded no more or less anonymity than any other paedophile who committed a crime at the same time.
And if he himself keeps revealing who he is, then leave him to it.
What I cant work out is when is enough enough its only a matter of time that he will do somthing bad if he is into downloading this stuff. Remember these are the things we know about, what hasnt be been caught doing.
The problem is whoever the judge is or maybe the lawmakers that decide he should be free its never their problem, I would really like to ask one of these people are you happy for him to live nextdoor to you or if your that sure that he is ok to be free then he must live in your house with your children as someone somewhere has to be exposed it. You ok with that?
The problem is whoever the judge is or maybe the lawmakers that decide he should be free its never their problem, I would really like to ask one of these people are you happy for him to live nextdoor to you or if your that sure that he is ok to be free then he must live in your house with your children as someone somewhere has to be exposed it. You ok with that?
DrDeAtH said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
I was thinking more of double leg amputation and decapitation on a train line...just a thought if he survives that you can finish him off with a
50 cal
Just pick bits off of him from range with the 50...50 cal
Just take your time doing it.....
...and yet we all say that ISIS are bad....
PAULJ5555 said:
PugwasHDJ80 said:
so you'll be the one shooting then?
...and yet we all say that ISIS are bad....
ISIS kill the innocent not criminals...and yet we all say that ISIS are bad....
DrDeAtH said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
I was thinking more of double leg amputation and decapitation on a train line...just a thought if he survives that you can finish him off with a
50 cal
Just pick bits off of him from range with the 50...50 cal
Just take your time doing it.....
Mind you, relishing and reveling in that depth of self righteous Daily Mail style vigilantism doesn't actually make you look all that healthy either...
Jaguar steve said:
Venables is clearly a very sick person whose sickness has driven him to commit truly abhorrent crimes.
Mind you, relishing and reveling in that depth of self righteous Daily Mail style vigilantism doesn't actually make you look all that healthy either...
Do you know what he did .are you able to tell the difference between Forum joshing and banter and the real world.Mind you, relishing and reveling in that depth of self righteous Daily Mail style vigilantism doesn't actually make you look all that healthy either...
He is EVIL not sick EVIL.
No doubt its been mentioned, but why are their identities still being hidden? I understood that the change of identities was to give them a chance of rehabilitation. This has clearly failed in Venebles case, so why can he not revert back to being Venebles? Huntley and other similar evil individuals don't benefit from having their identities hidden.
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