Jon Venables back in prison

[catso]

OK so, hypothetically let's imagine said reformed child killer moves near to you. He then meets and marries/partners your Daughter (or Son), you of course have no idea who he was in his previous life.

If you then discovered he was a reformed child killer would you be OK with this?

[anonymous-user]

Yes if it makes her happy. It's not my decision. What have any of these hypotheticals to do with whether or not a reformed criminal should stay in jail forever?

All the emotive stuff about babysitters is just emotive stuff . Disqualifying someone from work with children is not the same as insisting he be locked up forever. If you don't believe in God and the Devil, why believe in irreversible evil? People can learn and unlearn traits. Some people are so dysfunctional that they are not safe with anyone. Others can do terrible things and then stop doing such things.

[Red 4]

Breadvan72 said:

No I don't.

With respect, I think you may need to revisit the crime that Venables and Thompson were convicted of.

I'm sure you're aware of most of what happened but some people just aren't wired up right.

[PAULJ5555]

Breadvan72 said:

What have any of these hypotheticals to do with whether or not a reformed criminal should stay in jail forever?

.

I would say and I might be wrong that the vast majority of people would not want a reformed pedo living next door to them and their children, they have to live somewhere or be locked away forever. I would imagine the majority of people would take option 2,

To be fair you did not answer the question about a reformed pedo living next door to you and your children, its only hypothetical because its not happening to you, someone will have this situation to deal with and it could happen to you, me, anyone.

[anonymous-user]

I did answer the question, but I didn't give the answer that panders to your lynch mob mentality.

[anonymous-user]

Red 4 said:

Breadvan72 said:

No I don't.

... some people just aren't wired up right.

Can you provide your evidence for that proposition? I naturally assume that you are a consultant neurologist or psychiatrist or similar.

[Legend83]

Breadvan72 said:

I said nothing of the sort, Don't distort other poster's comments. It makes you look stupid as well as dishonest.

"He is not changing the subject, he is talking about realistic risk evaluation. Your child is far more at risk of being run over by a car than he or she is at risk of being the victim of a child abuser. The highest risk of abuse comes from family members. But do carry on and set fire to the local paediatrician's house."

Your comment in bold.

A clear sarcastic suggestion that the poster was over-reacting (i.e. being unreasonable) to the risk of a child abuser being a neighbour, on the basis there are potentially higher risks faced on a daily basis.

How else should I read it?

Yours faithfully,

Dishonest Thicko.

[Legend83]

Breadvan72 said:

I did answer the question, but I didn't give the answer that panders to your lynch mob mentality.

I respect your stance that you would accept the idea of a reformed murderer / child abuser moving in next door, it is commendable that you would try and see the positive.

What I can't respect is your sarcastic tone towards others who clearly don't hold the same stance.

[PAULJ5555]

Breadvan72 said:

I did answer the question, but I didn't give the answer that panders to your lynch mob mentality.

No you didnt

You said you would be ok if a reformed murderer lived next door and you would be concered if an active unreformed peado lived next door, you did not answer the question asked about a reformed pedo living next door to you and your children.

[anonymous-user]

Venables has offended and should be held to account for that.

Thompson hasn't and should be left alone.

It's no more complicated than that.

PAULJ5555 said:

Breadvan72 said:

I did answer the question, but I didn't give the answer that panders to your lynch mob mentality.

No you didnt

You said you would be ok if a reformed murderer lived next door and you would be concered if an active unreformed peado lived next door, you did not answer the question asked about a reformed pedo living next door to you and your children.

The reality is nearly everyone leaves near to someone on the sex offenders' register.

I've seen maps plotted with people on the SOR and MAPPA (managing high risk sexual offenders and violent people) and where they live. They're everywhere. Does it cause loads of problems for those next door / nearby? No.

Where does the argument actually lead? If you establish that someone wouldn't want Thompson living near them then what?

[anonymous-user]

I have no concerns about reformed criminals of any variety living next door. The fixation with offenders against children is all pitchfork and torches. If someone looked at child porn, was sentenced, and has stopped looking at it, I don't think that person should be excluded from society. If someone remains a threat to others, they may need to be contained. Sentencing guidelines are not just made up on the back of fag packets. Thought is put into them. Parole boards aren't easy to get by.

[DurianIceCream]

Breadvan72 said:

Red 4 said:

Breadvan72 said:

No I don't.

... some people just aren't wired up right.

Can you provide your evidence for that proposition? I naturally assume that you are a consultant neurologist or psychiatrist or similar.

I am assuming you are aware that recidivism rates are higher than the rate that members of the general population are convicted of a particular offence.

I think it is implausible that you are completely OK with a convicted killer living next to you. You may see it as a benefit to society that convicted killers may eventually walk free, but have one live next door to you and your family and be completely unaffected by their presence if you are aware of it? I don't think so.

[anonymous-user]

Legend83 said:

I respect your stance that you would accept the idea of a reformed murderer / child abuser moving in next door, it is commendable that you would try and see the positive.

What I can't respect is your sarcastic tone towards others who clearly don't hold the same stance.

Oh noes! Your feelz!

[anonymous-user]

DurianIceCream said:

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I am assuming you are aware that recidivism rates are higher than the rate that members of the general population are convicted of a particular offence.

I think it is implausible that you are completely OK with a convicted killer living next to you. You may see it as a benefit to society that convicted killers may eventually walk free, but have one live next door to you and your family and be completely unaffected by their presence if you are aware of it? I don't think so.

Well, you being 100 per cent wrong is hardly a novelty. Don't worry, if a bad person moves near you, you could always shoot them, Mr Freedom.

[DurianIceCream]

Breadvan72 said:

Well, you being 100 per cent wrong is hardly a novelty. Don't worry, if a bad person moves near you, you could always shoot them, Mr Freedom.

On every thread you post on where people don't agree with you, you behave like this. You have already been criticised on this thread and others about your condescending posts. You are living proof you can be both a barrister and a complete chump.

[anonymous-user]

You chose to tell me what I think. You were wrong about that, as your mind reading powers are defective. Now you are resorting to insults. Sad.

[anonymous-user]

DurianIceCream said:

Breadvan72 said:

Red 4 said:

Breadvan72 said:

No I don't.

... some people just aren't wired up right.

Can you provide your evidence for that proposition? I naturally assume that you are a consultant neurologist or psychiatrist or similar.

I am assuming you are aware that recidivism rates are higher than the rate that members of the general population are convicted of a particular offence.

I think it is implausible that you are completely OK with a convicted killer living next to you. You may see it as a benefit to society that convicted killers may eventually walk free, but have one live next door to you and your family and be completely unaffected by their presence if you are aware of it? I don't think so.

Which offence are you talking about? Where are you taking the data from? Is it taking into account juvenile offending into adult re-offending?


Edited to add "into".

Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 29th November 11:27

[anonymous-user]

He also appears to assume that recidivism is to do with "bad wiring".

[Red 4]

Breadvan72 said:

Red 4 said:

Breadvan72 said:

No I don't.

... some people just aren't wired up right.

Can you provide your evidence for that proposition? I naturally assume that you are a consultant neurologist or psychiatrist or similar.

I can provide plenty of evidence based on my own experiences.

I'm not a psychiatrist, I'm an ex Police Officer.

I've seen plenty of stuff and dealt with enough offenders to know that some people cannot be reformed - they are what they are.

I have also witnessed acts/ dealt with people that I would class as evil so, in answer to your question, yes - some people are definitely not wired up right.

I assume you have not dealt with people like this - you don't do criminal work, do you ?

[anonymous-user]

Prison and parole board work. I think that nurture trumps nature.