Jon Venables back in prison

[anonymous-user]

The death penalty probably isn't cheaper given appeals etc.

Innocent people would likely be killed (look at the US).

There isn't a conclusive prohibitive effect.

[andy_s]

La Liga said:

The death penalty probably isn't cheaper given appeals etc.

Innocent people would likely be killed (look at the US).

There isn't a conclusive prohibitive effect.

Oi - crib from someone else...

andy_s said:

So 20 odd years languishing on death row at higher expense and eventually killing some wrongfully convicted innocent people?

It's true that it has a major dissuasive effect though, almost no murders in the US...

[The pleas were made against current circumstances, against a capitol offence they would obviously be gamed differently don't you think?]

[Red 4]

La Liga said:

The death penalty ...

There isn't a conclusive prohibitive effect.

Well, it certainly stops people re-offending.

[otolith]

Rovinghawk said:

otolith said:

you redefine someone you wish to kill as subhuman.

I think in JV's case he's done plenty to justify the definition.

I think that unfortunately represents an idealistic view of humanity and what it is capable of. I don't think it is particularly useful to think of people like him, or that kid who just shot up a school, or any of the other aberrations as "other". They're certainly not normal, but pretending they are not human is a convenient way of not really thinking about what they actually are.

[Rovinghawk]

otolith said:

They're certainly not normal, but pretending they are not human is a convenient way of not really thinking about what they actually are.

I didn't say they're not human, I said JV doesn't act the part and has done sufficient to justify removal from the population.

[Jaguar steve]

Gameface said:

Jaguar steve said:

If you read a little more carefully you'll find the "Snowflakes" posting on here aren't defending Venables' actions at all. What they are defending is the right of any citizen, no matter who they are or what they've done not to be set upon by a vacuous mob of vigilante morons whipped into a mindless frenzy by sentimental, self-righteous populist garbage spewed out by the media.

The entire thread has been dominated by individual champions of the people who relish the thought of Venables being ripped limb from limb in the street and that viewpoint makes them no better than him. An eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth knee-jerk reaction belongs in the Bible or infant school playground and has absolutely no place in grown-up world.

What do you think might happen if that vigilante mindset persists and a blurry picture of Venables appears on social media and then somebody who is dressed and looks vaguely similar walks past a hard of thinking bunch of idiots who've been in the pub all day?

If you don't like the law or the way it works then petition for change. Instead of just beating the st out of somebody if anybody feels strongly enough to take action the intelligent solution is to put together a reasoned case for change and get audience for it.

Vigilantism is a gateway crime to buying a private number plate.

It's a slippery slope.

Totally inappropriate remark given the serious nature of this discussion. But hey, any opportunity eh?

And in part you're quite right - it's a slippery slope indeed. Practicing vigilantism or deliberately displaying a number plate illegally are both clear evidence that a underlying fkuck what the law says I'll do whatever I want instead mindset exists.

Now, back on topic please...

[Gameface]

[grumbledoak]

[anonymous-user]

Earlier some idiots feigned surprise their posts have been removed. They claimed they didn't know that identifying Venables was iffy
This might come as surprise to them:

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/shameless-st...

[BlackLabel]

"The family of murdered toddler James Bulger are due to challenge a court order which allows killer Jon Venables to live under a cloak of anonymity.

A hearing is scheduled for Tuesday at the High Court in London before the most senior family judge in England and Wales."

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/james-bulger...

[LaurasOtherHalf]

Another heartbreaking documentary tonight, on channel 5 unfortunately. As usual, not much more to add then it was an incredibly sad story for all these concerned.

[Red 4]

LaurasOtherHalf said:

Another heartbreaking documentary tonight, on channel 5 unfortunately. As usual, not much more to add then it was an incredibly sad story for all these concerned.

I watched it.

The documentary was mainly about how the murder, trial and incarceration affected Thompson and Venables.

Although they weren't portrayed entirely as victims, I'm still struggling to have any sympathy at all for either of them.

The psychiatrist's opinion that Venables' fascination with kiddy porn is a reaction to his deeds when he was a child (ie murder) doesn't take account of the fact that he has always been a wrong' un.

You can look for reasons all you like. Some people are just wired up wrong. It's as simple as that.

And that's why there will never be a definitive answer as to why these two did what they did.

[BlackLabel]

The actress Tina Malone is in trouble for sharing a photo of Jon Venables.

"Actress Tina Malone is facing contempt of court proceedings over a social media post allegedly showing images of James Bulger killer Jon Venables.

Ms Malone revealed she had received a High Court summons in a series of Facebook posts on Thursday."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-4...

[Halb]

I just looked and the headline was, 'Shameless actress 'dedadhdedah' to face high court.' I thought has what she done that bad, then I realised.

[anonymous-user]

Tina Malone has escaped a custodial sentence:

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/great...

She got 8 months suspended for 2 years and £10k cost

[anonymous-user]

techiedave said:

Tina Malone has escaped a custodial sentence:

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/great...

She got 8 months suspended for 2 years and £10k cost

Total BS, a mockery.

[macushla]

yonex said:

techiedave said:

Tina Malone has escaped a custodial sentence:

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/great...

She got 8 months suspended for 2 years and £10k cost

Total BS, a mockery.

Why?

[anonymous-user]

macushla said:

Why?

We house these creatures, fund their care, rehab. It’s gets thrown back in our faces.

Venables deserves one thing, one thing only. And that’s a single 9mm shell in the back of his head.

[macushla]

yonex said:

We house these creatures, fund their care, rehab. It’s gets thrown back in our faces.

Venables deserves one thing, one thing only. And that’s a single 9mm shell in the back of his head.

But what’s that got to do with Tina Malone and her contempt of court?

We don’t have the death penalty in this country, so you can’t do that either for the killers. I’d like to think that both should still be locked up in a very dark place with little hope of release though.

[Jaguar steve]

yonex said:

macushla said:

Why?

We house these creatures, fund their care, rehab. It’s gets thrown back in our faces.

Venables deserves one thing, one thing only. And that’s a single 9mm shell in the back of his head.

Very fortunately we live in sufficiently civilised society with a independent justice system where anybody descending to that base level of populist tabloid vigilantism and subsequently being found guilty of committing first degree murder by pulling the trigger would be given a mandatory life sentence.