Methadrone to become illegal ?

[Racingdude009]

Heard quite a few stories of people using this on the rave scene.

Some debate on its legality.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/mar/0...

[nonegreen]

do you mean Methadone? The Heroin substitute issued on prescription to registered addicts. This article appears to be about Mephadrone? Or am I just an idiot?

[Buzz word]

Yea it's drone I thought the same the first time I heard it. Some mates have done it, they cant beilve it is legal. They thought it was great when they were up but the down lasted a while and was so low they didn't want to touch it again.

[JohnnyJones]

It's made in China. It's a sort of synthesised MDMA. (The stuff E's were originally made from). It's sold as plant food on the internet, do a search. As far as I know, the authorities haven't made it illegal yet.

[Mclovin]

safer than drugging people with flouride in their water, a drug safer than sugar that makes everyone love everyone else unconditionally even scumbag politicians, think of the reduction in crime rates....nah they want us to stick to alcohol and live a depressing life reliant on the state...

Edited by Mclovin on Friday 5th March 07:31

[elster]

Mclovin said:

safer than drugging people with flouride in their water, a drug safer than sugar that makes everyone love everyone else unconditionally even scumbag politicians, think of the reduction in crime rates....nah they want us to stick to alcohol and live a depressing life reliant on the state...

Edited by Mclovin on Friday 5th March 07:31

Safer.. hmmm.

It is a very dirty drug, cocaine and heroin are a lot safer than Methadrone, ask anyone who works in the ambulance service how many incidents they are getting with this over any other drug.

Ask how many female users have had heavy periods brought on by it, ask how many people have passed blood in both urine and faeces. Then come back and say it is safer. I so far know of 6 deaths in Yorkshire because of this, since it is relatively new on a large scale that is pretty fking scary.

Extremely addictive which is why you will find it mixed in a lot of coke now, with the high only lasting a short time getting people to come back.

Also this is Methadrone, MCAT, Bubbles, Meow, 4-MMC, etc.

I never knew it was mainly made in China, from what I have heard a lot is being made in the UK as it is piss easy to make.

Welcome to the Crystal Meth of the UK.

[DocJock]

Mclovin said:

safer than drugging people with flouride in their water, a drug safer than sugar that makes everyone love everyone else unconditionally even scumbag politicians, think of the reduction in crime rates....nah they want us to stick to alcohol and live a depressing life reliant on the state...

Edited by Mclovin on Friday 5th March 07:31

Utter, utter, bullcrap.
There are absolutely no proven medical problems with a fluoride concentration of 1ppm in drinking water.

Huge parts of the country have way more than that naturally and there is not one paper establishing any link between fluoride in water at reasonable levels and any health problems whatsoever.

[MK4 Slowride]

elster said:

Mclovin said:

safer than drugging people with flouride in their water, a drug safer than sugar that makes everyone love everyone else unconditionally even scumbag politicians, think of the reduction in crime rates....nah they want us to stick to alcohol and live a depressing life reliant on the state...

Edited by Mclovin on Friday 5th March 07:31

Safer.. hmmm.

It is a very dirty drug, cocaine and heroin are a lot safer than Methadrone, ask anyone who works in the ambulance service how many incidents they are getting with this over any other drug.

Ask how many female users have had heavy periods brought on by it, ask how many people have passed blood in both urine and faeces. Then come back and say it is safer. I so far know of 6 deaths in Yorkshire because of this, since it is relatively new on a large scale that is pretty fking scary.

Extremely addictive which is why you will find it mixed in a lot of coke now, with the high only lasting a short time getting people to come back.

Also this is Methadrone, MCAT, Bubbles, Meow, 4-MMC, etc.

I never knew it was mainly made in China, from what I have heard a lot is being made in the UK as it is piss easy to make.

Welcome to the Crystal Meth of the UK.

Not even nearly. You can't do it more than a few days in a row as it kills your appetite, you get little or no sleep and you feel rough as fk for a day or two after. It's moreish not addictive. Also it's not only made in China, the best stuff comes from Israel.

Again the governments stance will be to ban it, driving it underground giving it that edge it needs to make it another fashionable drug.

Can you provide a source for these 6 deaths alone in Yorkshire.

[otolith]

MK4 Slowride said:

It's moreish not addictive.

[DownUnder.]

Hoping to provide a more knowledgable and experienced insight into this as i know more than most.

This drug has been around for about 2 years but hit a serious pike over Christmas for whatever reasons and has since been named the largest growing drug the world has seen. It is a chemically made drug which mixes together the euphoria of mdma and the buzz of coke.

This stuff goes for around £10 a gram and can be bought from the internet or more commonly ANYONE these days.

Most of my uni friends and myself started taking this in September 2009 and really enjoyed the buzz and cheapness compared to booze on nights out, it started as fun and gradually more and more people jumped on the bandwagon and more and more people started to sell. Origanally we would get a G each or between 2 go out enjoy the night and come home and up until christmas with a few benders included this is how it remained.

However, since then problematic use began to arise... Suddenly everyone was on it, you couldn't go out in Liverpool without seeing people chew their faces off in every club. I can almost certainly say it is addictive, quite highly as i've had to give it up due to wanting it all the time and whenver taking it going on 4-5 day benders with no sleep or food.

The clear dangers of this drug are...
Damage to nose
Weight loss
Insomnia
Suspected bowel troubles (a few too many people having issues with them)
damage to heart and blood flow

Many more to appear i suspect.

This drug is said to be as addictive as pure cocaine but the matter of fact is due to how new it is we just don't know. Please remember just because its legal it isn't safe! It is 1 chemical molecule different to Crystal Meth.

As a footnote, there is a new drug ready to be released upon the ban of Mephedrone and one being created for the ban of that... Until a solution is discovered, this country is going to face a battle with a wave of new "Legal highs..." and whatever dangers follow.

[tangent police]

Do a google search for Pihkal and Tihkal and realise that they have a long series of chemicals to ban before they get this all under control.

[The Riddler]

Towards the back end of last year i read a story (in a red-top paper) about a guy who was high on it physically pulling off his scrotum off.

I've tried a small quantity of it after a night on alcohol, made me a bit chattier ect but it also really made my heart race, more so than after taking speed, coke or MDMA.

Link to scrotum story

[elster]

The Riddler said:

Towards the back end of last year i read a story (in a red-top paper) about a guy who was high on it physically pulling off his scrotum off.

I've tried a small quantity of it after a night on alcohol, made me a bit chattier ect but it also really made my heart race, more so than after taking speed, coke or MDMA.

Link to scrotum story

Lots of people seem to st themselves as well. Great stuff.

Come down is worse than speed.

[The Riddler]

elster said:

The Riddler said:

Towards the back end of last year i read a story (in a red-top paper) about a guy who was high on it physically pulling off his scrotum off.

I've tried a small quantity of it after a night on alcohol, made me a bit chattier ect but it also really made my heart race, more so than after taking speed, coke or MDMA.

Link to scrotum story

Lots of people seem to st themselves as well. Great stuff.

Come down is worse than speed.

I didnt really think i had much of a comedown, but i remember having a killer hangover the next morning. The amount I took was tiny compared to the seasoned Mkat cainers we were with. But I guess that st could of contributed to what I think was my worse hangover to date. By tea time i thought i'd be ok to drop my mates car off. About half way there i got the stomach cramps, managed not to st myself though.

Its hardly an 'attractive' drug whichever way you look at it, and had i been sober i would of refused it. I'll stick to my occasional smoke.

[sleep envy]

elster said:

I like to know where my drugs come from and what is in them and what they can do.

No better way to test that than years of people testing and knowing your supply.

why, are you importing it yourself?

[tangent police]

anonymous said:

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In other words. No

Shame the thread wasn't about weed, we could have enjoyed ourselves with more silly impressions.

[jshell]

DownUnder. said:

The clear dangers of this drug are...
Weight loss

Hmm, you may see that as a drawback......

[anonymous-user]

To all the people disparaging this as hype or nonsense, you are wrong, this drug is bad, bad news

Throughout my life I have experimented with all sorts and yes I have tried Mephadrone, in small amounts from time to time it isn't actually that bad, but take a half decent amount and the comedown is awful, hallucinations, paranoia, I can almost understand why the guy ripped his scrotum off

The main problems as I see them are,

Lack of Knowledge - we know about MDMA, Pills, Coke as they have been around for long enough to study, no one knows the long term effects of this yet

Price - Average price £10 a gram, if kids wanna get some coke they gotta pay £40 for a gram, same with MDMA, so 4 of them chuck in a tenner each and split it, here they are getting a gram each and having it delivered to their door

Purity - The stuff they are buying is way way purer than anything else they have had before, because they are used to having to do a few lines of coke or 3 or 4 pills to get off their box, they treat Meph the same way, leading to potentially fatal consequences

Successors - As others have said, there are succesors waiting after this is banned, the people making them dont give a fk and the people buying it have no clue

The time is now for the government to actually make a stand, legalise certain drugs and let adults make adult decisions, it won't ever happen but that is IMO the only solution, perhaps if the BiB were freed up from fighting a drug war they will NEVER win then they could get back to dealing with other crimes, sorting out the disaffected youth and generally making this country a safer place (this is not a dig at Bib just the people that run them)

[Mr E]

anonymous said:

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Fixed that for you.

[tonyvid]

elster said:

The Riddler said:

Towards the back end of last year i read a story (in a red-top paper) about a guy who was high on it physically pulling off his scrotum off.

I've tried a small quantity of it after a night on alcohol, made me a bit chattier ect but it also really made my heart race, more so than after taking speed, coke or MDMA.

Link to scrotum story

Lots of people seem to st themselves as well. Great stuff.

Come down is worse than speed.

Nice! I really don't understand why people want to take stuff like this - maybe I am just risk averse.