Venables allegedly possessed child porn

[ShadownINja]

Come the revolution, first we send the human rights lawyers to China with just a "Free Tibet" banner for clothing. And then the cleansing process begins.

[Uriel]

Regarding this whole argument about whether the public have a right to know the details of his new offences, there is something that I haven't seen mentioned.

If we, the public, are responsible for voting government into power and therefore responsible for public policy and law, then don't we need to know the details of the re-offence as a measure of success of the rehabilitation programme through which this fella was set up with a new identity at huge cost to the taxpayer?

I understand they've done in in 4 cases so far, but how do we know whether it's worthwhile and a benefit to society if these 4 people are running about raping people left and right and all we get to hear is Will Self suggesting that it could well have been a mere parking ticket?

[loltolhurst]

dont see the harm of knowing the offence they dont have to mention names etc. i thought Terry had been up to something when i saw the title of this thread!

[Westy Pre-Lit]

T_Pot said:

Westy Pre-Lit said:

Don't you have to have a licence to be a bouncer ?

How the hell did that fker get issued one.

i would "guess" his new identity does not link him to any crime?

Exactly.

If people like him are issued new identities then there should be a maker put on them for police checks etc. Licences that require these checks should/can then be declined if need be. The employer doesn't need to know the reason for the decline only that the person is unsuitable for employment.

FFS this is basic !! Why the hell can't the government and these agencies who issue them understand this. Yet again their incompetence is putting the public at risk once again over the human rights of scum like this.

WTF is wrong with this bloody country and the numbskulls who are apparently in control.

[ShadownINja]

Westy Pre-Lit said:

T_Pot said:

Westy Pre-Lit said:

Don't you have to have a licence to be a bouncer ?

How the hell did that fker get issued one.

i would "guess" his new identity does not link him to any crime?

Exactly.

If people like him are issued new identities then there should be a maker put on them for police checks etc. Licences that require these checks should/can then be declined if need be. The employer doesn't need to know the reason for the decline only that the person is unsuitable for employment.

FFS this is basic !! Why the hell can't the government and these agencies who issue them understand this. Yet again their incompetence is putting the public at risk once again over the human rights of scum like this.

WTF is wrong with this bloody country and the numbskulls who are apparently in control.

It's crazy isn't it. What if a convicted paedophile ends up requiring a new identity because he kept getting attacked, for instance? Useless government.

[odyssey2200]

If we had done the decent thing in the fist place and thrown away the key, we wouldn't have any of this st now.

[ShadownINja]

odyssey2200 said:

If we had done the decent thing in the fist place and thrown away the key, we wouldn't have any of this st now.

Yep. But what about their human rights?! Apparently, they got 8 years. I laughed this morning when they mentioned it on the radio. 8 years for stoning a child to death. Not bad if you're throwing the stones, I guess.

Edited by ShadownINja on Saturday 6th March 11:02

[odyssey2200]

ShadownINja said:

odyssey2200 said:

If we had done the decent thing in the fist place and thrown away the key, we wouldn't have any of this st now.

Yep. But what about their human rights?!

They would get their human rights just as soon as Jamie Bulger gets his back.

[Westy Pre-Lit]

Please stop before I smash my screen.

[Athlon]

If you take away someones human rights as an offender then by that very same reasoning you should lose yours.

Prison should prison, hard labour and lock down for the worst offenders and bring back the death penalty for absolute, proven to be guilty sex and murder crimes.

[10 Pence Short]

Athlon said:

Prison should prison, hard labour and lock down for the worst offenders and bring back the death penalty for absolute, proven to be guilty sex and murder crimes.

Are you trying to say the current system does not consider those it jails to be absolute, proven to be guilty offenders?

No system is infallible.

[Westy Pre-Lit]

10 Pence Short said:

Athlon said:

Prison should prison, hard labour and lock down for the worst offenders and bring back the death penalty for absolute, proven to be guilty sex and murder crimes.

Are you trying to say the current system does not consider those it jails to be absolute, proven to be guilty offenders?

No system is infallible.

O/T slightly, considering the sentence of Ronnie Biggs and CO, then these two s, he and company pale into insignificance. So what if they where children at the time, I couldn't give a flying monkeys.

They took a life and life should mean life, they lost any right to it years ago as far as I'm concerned.

The system is a joke full-stop, it's about time this country mans up, grows some balls and puts st where it belongs.

Edited by Westy Pre-Lit on Saturday 6th March 11:29

[loltolhurst]

10 Pence Short said:

Athlon said:

Prison should prison, hard labour and lock down for the worst offenders and bring back the death penalty for absolute, proven to be guilty sex and murder crimes.

Are you trying to say the current system does not consider those it jails to be absolute, proven to be guilty offenders?

No system is infallible.

so he would put to death the bbc presenter who is guilty of a sex crime?

should prison be just punishment or rehabilitation?

[LD1Racing]

Perhaps the lefty PC brigade are right, perhaps they would have grown up to be fine upstanding members of the community in different circumstances but the fact is they are severely broken inside, they will never be able to function in normal society and will always be a danger to the public and no amount of new identities and free holidays will change that.

The only option is to institutionalise them for the rest of their lives, at a cost of around £40kpa, or shoot the bds and get it over with.

[rpguk]

ShadownINja said:

Westy Pre-Lit said:

T_Pot said:

Westy Pre-Lit said:

Don't you have to have a licence to be a bouncer ?

How the hell did that fker get issued one.

i would "guess" his new identity does not link him to any crime?

Exactly.

If people like him are issued new identities then there should be a maker put on them for police checks etc. Licences that require these checks should/can then be declined if need be. The employer doesn't need to know the reason for the decline only that the person is unsuitable for employment.

FFS this is basic !! Why the hell can't the government and these agencies who issue them understand this. Yet again their incompetence is putting the public at risk once again over the human rights of scum like this.

WTF is wrong with this bloody country and the numbskulls who are apparently in control.

It's crazy isn't it. What if a convicted paedophile ends up requiring a new identity because he kept getting attacked, for instance? Useless government.

No, it seems that the position he had didn't require a licence or police vetting. Of course a flag would have shown if needed a CRB. His probation officer would also have known. The Paedophile argument would be the same.

Edited by rpguk on Saturday 6th March 11:35

[T_Pot]

What really irrates me is, the government spend a suggested million pounds, in provinding this guy with a new secure identity, so that he can carry out his life now in the safest way possible.

how though, are the government protecting the likes of you and i o#and ours, by allowing us to mix in every day life, possibly employ, befriend or associate with him now and his new identity?

millions pounds spent for one person, fk the rest of us who can i add, provided the million in the first place

In cases like this one, where there was totally no doubt of the guilt, i dont believe for a minute they should have ever have seen daylight again, jamie wont

[Westy Pre-Lit]

rpguk said:

No, it seems that the position he had didn't require a licence or police vetting.

Do you know the position he actually held?

It says here that he was employed by a company that provided door staff etc.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1255824/Ja...

AFAIK to be employed by one of these companies you have to have a SIA licence which would require a police check.

Or am I wrong in this assumption?

Edited by Westy Pre-Lit on Saturday 6th March 11:54

[amir_j]

Westy Pre-Lit said:

rpguk said:

No, it seems that the position he had didn't require a licence or police vetting.

Do you know the position he actually held?

It says here that he was employed by a company that provided door staff etc.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1255824/Ja...

AFAIK to be employed by one of these companies you have to have a SIA licence which would require a police check.

Or am I wrong in this assumption?

Edited b y Westy Pre-Lit on Saturday 6th March 11:54

Telegraph or times said his job title was not one which required a license, so bypassed

[Westy Pre-Lit]

Ummm sounds iffy to me.

[rpguk]

Westy Pre-Lit said:

rpguk said:

No, it seems that the position he had didn't require a licence or police vetting.

Do you know the position he actually held?

It says here that he was employed by a company that provided door staff etc.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1255824/Ja...

AFAIK to be employed by one of these companies you have to have a SIA licence which would require a police check.

Or am I wrong in this assumption?

Edited by Westy Pre-Lit on Saturday 6th March 11:54

From the DM article "One source said: 'Venables found the job himself and was quite clever about doing work which did not require him to be the subject of Criminal Record Bureau checks."

Now my understanding about the SIA thing is that it's only required for door staff. Security inside etc. don't need to be registered.