Venables allegedly possessed child porn

[Mazda Baiter]

BBC radio news just reported that Venables has been sent back to jail.

Being the BBC news though, they didn't say whether it was pending his licence review or anything. No details.

[Halb]

Westy Pre-Lit said:

AFAIK to be employed by one of these companies you have to have a SIA licence which would require a police check.

Or am I wrong in this assumption?

Depends. Wigan still allowed unlicensed bouncers...until I think very recently. There was a large FB campaign to get Wigan council to licence their bouncers instead of using Mick Lyons' (he off the Bouncers telly show) hired goons.

[Killer2005]

ShadownINja said:

odyssey2200 said:

If we had done the decent thing in the fist place and thrown away the key, we wouldn't have any of this st now.

Yep. But what about their human rights?! Apparently, they got 8 years. I laughed this morning when they mentioned it on the radio. 8 years for stoning a child to death. Not bad if you're throwing the stones, I guess.

Edited by ShadownINja on Saturday 6th March 11:02

For what these 2 did, 8 years is a disgrace

[pc.iow]

At least he will get what's coming to him while behind bars.
Hopefully a large mark to the face so we all can recognise him when they release the poor mite.

[turbobloke]

This is a tricky time for the idiots in charge.

They like to believe and like to tell us that such naughty people are really victims of society rather than just very bad people who knowingly made the wrong choice and committed an atrocity. As such, since society was responsible for causing them it should be responsible for fixing them, and if it's able to do so to hell with the cost. A cost that the government doesn't pay anyway (we do). Now that this colossal price has been paid and the hand-wringers have also let them out, at which time the relevant individual(s) can be seen to be as wicked as ever, ooops. Now society is the victim and all the social bks is busted.

[otolith]

Setting aside the fate of the child offenders, where negligent parenting can be shown to have raised monsters, I would lock the parents up for a long time.

[ShadownINja]

odyssey2200 said:

ShadownINja said:

odyssey2200 said:

If we had done the decent thing in the fist place and thrown away the key, we wouldn't have any of this st now.

Yep. But what about their human rights?!

They would get their human rights just as soon as Jamie Bulger gets his back.

Yep!

[ShadownINja]

rpguk said:

ShadownINja said:

Westy Pre-Lit said:

T_Pot said:

Westy Pre-Lit said:

Don't you have to have a licence to be a bouncer ?

How the hell did that fker get issued one.

i would "guess" his new identity does not link him to any crime?

Exactly.

If people like him are issued new identities then there should be a maker put on them for police checks etc. Licences that require these checks should/can then be declined if need be. The employer doesn't need to know the reason for the decline only that the person is unsuitable for employment.

FFS this is basic !! Why the hell can't the government and these agencies who issue them understand this. Yet again their incompetence is putting the public at risk once again over the human rights of scum like this.

WTF is wrong with this bloody country and the numbskulls who are apparently in control.

It's crazy isn't it. What if a convicted paedophile ends up requiring a new identity because he kept getting attacked, for instance? Useless government.

No, it seems that the position he had didn't require a licence or police vetting. Of course a flag would have shown if needed a CRB. His probation officer would also have known. The Paedophile argument would be the same.

Edited by rpguk on Saturday 6th March 11:35

Thanks for the update. Glad to hear the system isn't totally screwed up.

[paddyhasneeds]

This whole thing is a bit fked up. I'm just sat here listening to ITV News with the presenter and reporter both telling me in the gravest most dire tone possible that he is accused of "extremely serious" allegations.

I suspect most people are more bewildered that the pair of them were released on license than they are interested in the fact that one is going back inside and the reasons why.

One thing's for sure - I wouldn't want to be a late twenties scouser who got sent down in the last week or so.

[stigmundfreud]

amir_j said:

Straw had been forced into making a statement. He has confirmed its "an extremely serious offence" and due to investigation and trial prejudice won't reveal more

and yet anyone else accused (falsely or otherwise) of rape has their name and reputation dragged through the mud - that doesnt effect trial?

[Westy Pre-Lit]

paddyhasneeds said:

I'm just sat here listening to ITV News with the presenter and reporter both telling me in the gravest most dire tone possible that he is accused of "extremely serious" allegations.

The people who have allowed this situation to happen by releasing him should be held accountable IMO.

I hope they and the 'Human rights freaks' are happy with the unfolding news and not choking on it like everybody else.

Edited by Westy Pre-Lit on Saturday 6th March 17:02

[odyssey2200]

Westy Pre-Lit said:

paddyhasneeds said:

I'm just sat here listening to ITV News with the presenter and reporter both telling me in the gravest most dire tone possible that he is accused of "extremely serious" allegations.

The people who have allowed this situation to happen by releasing him should be held accountable IMO.

I hope they and the 'Human rights freaks' are happy with the unfolding news and not choking on it like everybody else.

Edited by Westy Pre-Lit on Saturday 6th March 17:02

The poor little , misunderstood darking has been led astray again by the evils of the nasty society.


Shame on us all for doing this to him.


[/extreme sarcasm mode]

[poo at Paul's]

Someone really needs to murder this vile little . Then justice would be seen to be done.

[Parrot of Doom]

poo at Paul's said:

Someone really needs to murder this vile little . Then justice would be seen to be done.

What, to the murderer who murders him?

[V8mate]

loltolhurst said:

10 Pence Short said:

Athlon said:

Prison should prison, hard labour and lock down for the worst offenders and bring back the death penalty for absolute, proven to be guilty sex and murder crimes.

Are you trying to say the current system does not consider those it jails to be absolute, proven to be guilty offenders?

No system is infallible.

so he would put to death the bbc presenter who is guilty of a sex crime?

should prison be just punishment or rehabilitation?

They had rehabilitation.

I bet that the kind of 'secure unit' 10 year olds get sent to is about as good as social care, support and rehabilitative practices get.

So, after jumping through those hoops, he reaches adulthood and, as it turns out, this chap continues to be a blight on society.

How many chances do we give people?

I'd be quite happy that anyone who, having already served a term in prison, is subsequently convicted of another crime which carries a custodial sentence, be terminated. Would it matter if there was an occasional error? Not really, as the 'error' would be an ex-con anyway.

[Parrot of Doom]

V8mate said:

So, after jumping through those hoops, he reaches adulthood and, as it turns out, this chap continues to be a blight on society.

The above post is a prime example of the ability of newspapers to convince people that they're not just making up any old bks to make a profit.

[V8mate]

Parrot of Doom said:

V8mate said:

So, after jumping through those hoops, he reaches adulthood and, as it turns out, this chap continues to be a blight on society.

The above post is a prime example of the ability of newspapers to convince people that they're not just making up any old bks to make a profit.

Unless he hasn't been taken back to jail for breaching the terms of his parole, I'm not sure I understand your point.

[paddyhasneeds]

Westy Pre-Lit said:

paddyhasneeds said:

I'm just sat here listening to ITV News with the presenter and reporter both telling me in the gravest most dire tone possible that he is accused of "extremely serious" allegations.

The people who have allowed this situation to happen by releasing him should be held accountable IMO.

I agree with that. I also think the press should be held to some level of accountability. Obviously not for the actions of Venebles whatever they may have been (or not been, I guess it is just an allegation for now) but I can't see how the media frenzy can be anything but detrimental to James Bulger's parents - I'm sure you never get over a child dying let alone in those circumstances but I'm not sure a 2 page interview with the Daily Mail 17 years after the fact helps much either.

[Parrot of Doom]

V8mate said:

Parrot of Doom said:

V8mate said:

So, after jumping through those hoops, he reaches adulthood and, as it turns out, this chap continues to be a blight on society.

The above post is a prime example of the ability of newspapers to convince people that they're not just making up any old bks to make a profit.

Unless he hasn't been taken back to jail for breaching the terms of his parole, I'm not sure I understand your point.

No, you clearly don't. People accused of a crime are not a "blight on society".

[V8mate]

Parrot of Doom said:

V8mate said:

Parrot of Doom said:

V8mate said:

So, after jumping through those hoops, he reaches adulthood and, as it turns out, this chap continues to be a blight on society.

The above post is a prime example of the ability of newspapers to convince people that they're not just making up any old bks to make a profit.

Unless he hasn't been taken back to jail for breaching the terms of his parole, I'm not sure I understand your point.

No, you clearly don't. People accused of a crime are not a "blight on society".

Oh I see. Well, technically, you're right of course, so I'm happy to concede and let you nurse your pedantry for a few weeks until the accusation becomes a conviction.