Toyota - are the US press trying to damage them?

[Blue Meanie]

No, not feeling guilty... As I said, you said it was Japanese made parts. I pointed out that it wasn't, with an article. If you don't like it, hard luck. I was correcting your statement. Just fed up of certain people prattling "anti-American" every time there is a conversation.

Edited by Blue Meanie on Sunday 14th March 02:58

[Jimbeaux]

Blue Meanie said:

No, not feeling guilty... As I said, you said it was Japanese made parts. I pointed out that it wasn't, with an article. If you don't like it, hard luck. I was correcting your statement. Just fed up of certain people prattling "anti-American" every time there is a conversation.

Edited by Blue Meanie on Sunday 14th March 02:58

We were long past that conversation days ago. I was agreeing with Gavin P. that it is a design problem, not a location problem. I was thanking him in general for setting straight those who think it is indeed a manufacturing problem. I was not speaking in reference to you or our previous conversation, but a particular attitude some hold. Set your clocks ahead and go to sleep.

[Blue Meanie]

To show what a numpty the white haired freak from California is...

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=935_1268651036

[Superhoop]

Do you not think it's genearlly the American public having a pop at a Japanese company that are taking sales from them, made worse by declining car sales as a result of the current financial crisis

That combined with a jointly owned/run American production plant being shut down due to the recession (Building both Toyota and GM cars) Putting American's out of work... With GM workers blaming Toyota, saying it was their decision to close the plant (It was actually a joint decision by GM and Toyota)

[rypt]

Superhoop said:

That combined with a jointly owned/run American production plant being shut down due to the recession (Building both Toyota and GM cars) Putting American's out of work... With GM workers blaming Toyota, saying it was their decision to close the plant (It was actually a joint decision by GM and Toyota)

NUMMI closing has little to do with Toyota, GM decided to close their part of the plant during bankruptcy so Toyota were running the thing on their own, which is of no interest to them. Had GM not pulled out of NUMMI then Toyota would still have kept it going together with GM I bet.
The blame lies entirely with GM and the white house.

[jshell]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8569465....

Toyata contradicting the old guy's 'runaway car' account..... I do reckon he was on the 'fiddle', looking for some compensation.

[GavinPearson]

rypt said:

Superhoop said:

That combined with a jointly owned/run American production plant being shut down due to the recession (Building both Toyota and GM cars) Putting American's out of work... With GM workers blaming Toyota, saying it was their decision to close the plant (It was actually a joint decision by GM and Toyota)

NUMMI closing has little to do with Toyota, GM decided to close their part of the plant during bankruptcy so Toyota were running the thing on their own, which is of no interest to them. Had GM not pulled out of NUMMI then Toyota would still have kept it going together with GM I bet.
The blame lies entirely with GM and the white house.

I don't agree that the blame lies with the White House, the decision to close the plant was an economic decision by Toyota.

Don't forget if GM had zero Government help in the bankruptcy there would still be no Pontiac brand and Pontiac Vibes would not be built in Nummi.

This situation isn't about Nummi, because for the most part a factry closeure like this really doesn't affect people in the same way that those in Britain might feel. Instead, this is all about people knowing that Toyota have confessed to having a number of products that weren't nearly as safe as they should be, and trying to avoid taking responsibility until the evidence against them became overwhelming. Then to have the management admit to a congressional panel under oath that the 'fixes' may not actually fix the vehicles has angered a great many people.

[rypt]

GavinPearson said:

rypt said:

Superhoop said:

That combined with a jointly owned/run American production plant being shut down due to the recession (Building both Toyota and GM cars) Putting American's out of work... With GM workers blaming Toyota, saying it was their decision to close the plant (It was actually a joint decision by GM and Toyota)

NUMMI closing has little to do with Toyota, GM decided to close their part of the plant during bankruptcy so Toyota were running the thing on their own, which is of no interest to them. Had GM not pulled out of NUMMI then Toyota would still have kept it going together with GM I bet.
The blame lies entirely with GM and the white house.

I don't agree that the blame lies with the White House, the decision to close the plant was an economic decision by Toyota.

Don't forget if GM had zero Government help in the bankruptcy there would still be no Pontiac brand and Pontiac Vibes would not be built in Nummi.

There is no reason why Pontiac had to go, given some decent cars it could have stayed on as a brand (with the G8 and the Vibe being the two major products it had).
Even with Pontiac gone there is no reason why NUMMI could not have been used to produce something else, be it co-developed with Toyota or not.

End of the day, GM (run by US gov at that point) felt that NUMMI was not needed. So they spun it off as part of the bankruptcy, and thus even avoided paying for employee re-training. Without GM being there, is no reason for Toyota to employ union labour at a high expense location such as Cali, so they made the decision that they do not want to keep the thing going on their own. They are at least paying for employee re-training that GM have weaselled out of doing.

The blame for NUMMI shutdown lies with GM, and their owners the US gov, as it was they who started the ball rolling.