Brits jailed for kissing

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FourWheelDrift

88,557 posts

285 months

Saturday 13th March 2010
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Does anyone know the current situation with that Saudi Prince who beat to death one of his own staff in the Landmark Hotel in London last month. He was arrested but I haven't heard if they played the diplomatic immunity card or not, considering he's not a diplomat?

wiffmaster

2,603 posts

199 months

Saturday 13th March 2010
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Zero sympathy.

If you don't want to be imprisoned for trivial matters, then don't go to crap countries with draconian laws. Can't understand why anybody would want to go there other than on business. Hopefully their economy will be decimated when the oil and gas runs out in a few decades' time. They can then go back to being a desert.

rypt

2,548 posts

191 months

Saturday 13th March 2010
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TASS said:
rypt said:
TASS said:
rypt said:
tangent police said:
rypt said:
Chris_w666 said:
Oooo the sun in outburst at foreign country for imposing its law on brits abroad shocker.
While I agree with that statement generally, perhaps Britain should not do any business, and forbid any British company to do business, with places that seem to have laws that blatantly violate human rights.
This is fking daft and to suggest that Britain doesn't do business with them! We need all the fricking help we can get to keep Britain afloat from sinking too fast.

If in Dubai, don't do what the locals aren't doing. Also, don't expect to enjoy a similar level of rights! If you don't like that, don't go there!
Human rights is a globally recognised principle, via the UNHR and so on - and is the minimum rights that should be afforded to someone.
And Britain can do just fine without doing business with Dubai and so on, for that matter if the wider western world followed the same principle China would soon be forced to change it's practises.

We don't need outside help, we need a government that is prepared to do the correct thing and force the scum in this country to work
That's pretty niave really, you would have to include a heck of a lot of lost trade such as Project Al Yammamah for instance not to mention our needs for oil, we wouldn't trade with China either. We simply can't afford that
The same Project Al Yammamah where we are pretty sure some serious bribes and other corrupt dealings took place ...
That's the one, and to win it we merely 'out bid' wink our competitors
Apparently "outbidding" in your book involves investigations by the National Audit Office followed by an investigation by the Serious Fraud Office, that was discontinued due to ORDERS from Downing St, despite the SFO being a non-political, independent entity.
Let's not forget that the SFO were found to have acted illegally by the high court relating to them dropping the investigation.
Let's also not forget that the US DOJ also has an investigation going into American banks being involved in the whole issue.

Next time you wish to pick an example of why those countries are important to us, try to at least pick one that doesn't have a whole host of illegal activities to go with it.

TASS

39,731 posts

285 months

Saturday 13th March 2010
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rypt said:
TASS said:
rypt said:
TASS said:
rypt said:
tangent police said:
rypt said:
Chris_w666 said:
Oooo the sun in outburst at foreign country for imposing its law on brits abroad shocker.
While I agree with that statement generally, perhaps Britain should not do any business, and forbid any British company to do business, with places that seem to have laws that blatantly violate human rights.
This is fking daft and to suggest that Britain doesn't do business with them! We need all the fricking help we can get to keep Britain afloat from sinking too fast.

If in Dubai, don't do what the locals aren't doing. Also, don't expect to enjoy a similar level of rights! If you don't like that, don't go there!
Human rights is a globally recognised principle, via the UNHR and so on - and is the minimum rights that should be afforded to someone.
And Britain can do just fine without doing business with Dubai and so on, for that matter if the wider western world followed the same principle China would soon be forced to change it's practises.

We don't need outside help, we need a government that is prepared to do the correct thing and force the scum in this country to work
That's pretty niave really, you would have to include a heck of a lot of lost trade such as Project Al Yammamah for instance not to mention our needs for oil, we wouldn't trade with China either. We simply can't afford that
The same Project Al Yammamah where we are pretty sure some serious bribes and other corrupt dealings took place ...
That's the one, and to win it we merely 'out bid' wink our competitors
Apparently "outbidding" in your book involves investigations by the National Audit Office followed by an investigation by the Serious Fraud Office, that was discontinued due to ORDERS from Downing St, despite the SFO being a non-political, independent entity.
Let's not forget that the SFO were found to have acted illegally by the high court relating to them dropping the investigation.
Let's also not forget that the US DOJ also has an investigation going into American banks being involved in the whole issue.

Next time you wish to pick an example of why those countries are important to us, try to at least pick one that doesn't have a whole host of illegal activities to go with it.
But that's my point, we do business with many countries who do business in a way that is alien to us, but the wheels of commerce continue to turn. Dealing with countries whose views on human rights is just another aspect of this. Don't get me wrong, I agree that there are some countries you just shouldn't do business with. I felt even stronger about this once I had spent a few months 'in Kingdom'
By the way, are you a fan of Thatcher? she was up to her ears in it as far as 'doing business' with the Saudis was concerned.

Cotty

39,586 posts

285 months

Saturday 13th March 2010
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5unny said:
When in Rome.....
So feeding Christans to lions would be ok?

catso

14,791 posts

268 months

Saturday 13th March 2010
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5unny said:
Not to mention what 'not doing business' with China would do to our economy.
Maybe we'd get our manufacturing industry back if that was the case.... scratchchin

elster

17,517 posts

211 months

Saturday 13th March 2010
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catso said:
5unny said:
Not to mention what 'not doing business' with China would do to our economy.
Maybe we'd get our manufacturing industry back if that was the case.... scratchchin
There is plenty of manufacturing in this country.

We are still 5th in the world.

Don't believe everything the papers say.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

256 months

Saturday 13th March 2010
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5unny said:
When in Rome.....
Smack the pope...smile

anonymous-user

55 months

Sunday 14th March 2010
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They went to a country where homosexuality is illigal and kissed in public, I have zero sympathy for these morons.
Why can Brits not go to other countries and respect their laws and cultures, rather than getting pissy because is 'not like home'.

SunderJimmy

3,239 posts

183 months

Sunday 14th March 2010
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champ54321 said:
They went to a country where homosexuality is illigal and kissed in public, I have zero sympathy for these morons.
Why can Brits not go to other countries and respect their laws and cultures, rather than getting pissy because is 'not like home'.
I think Charlotte is a bird.

nonegreen

7,803 posts

271 months

Sunday 14th March 2010
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mybrainhurts said:
5unny said:
When in Rome.....
Smack the pope...smile
Cos he is a NAZI

elster

17,517 posts

211 months

Sunday 14th March 2010
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nonegreen said:
mybrainhurts said:
5unny said:
When in Rome.....
Smack the pope...smile
Cos he is a NAZI
...and plays with little boys.

This one more publicly than others wink

mcbook

1,384 posts

176 months

Sunday 14th March 2010
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musclecarmad said:
Just don't go its overpriced for what it is. I didn't like paying £8 per beer and being watched drinking it and I could tell that they didn't like me drinking booze.

Mexico is far better and far far cheaper - you can have 2 weeks all inclusive in mexico for about £1,000 and in dubai a few nights bed and breakfast costs that.

it's overpriced and the laws are too much for me to take being a white british male.

I also appreciate the rules of their country - their rules seem st to me in terms of drinking and kissing so I don't go. However, I do appreciate some of their strict rules.
You're right, drinking alcohol in Dubai is fairly pricey. Eight pounds for a beer is stretching it a bit but it's certainly not cheap.

With regard to being watched while you drank your beer, were you drinking it outside or in a public place that wasn't a bar? In the two years that I have lived in Dubai, no one has ever 'looked at me funny' for having a drink. So long as you do it in bars, there's no problem.

The UAE is however, a muslim country and as such, drinking is not allowed in public places. Perfectly reasonable law in my opinion.

As for this story, there must be more to it. I live here with my girlfriend and have kissed her in public any number of times. I wouldn't snog her face off in front of a group of locals, but I wouldn't do that in the UK either. In my opinion, they must have been doing so serious kissing in close proximity to locals for this to happen. Not a sensible move and not respectful behaviour anywhere in the world.

Shay HTFC

3,588 posts

190 months

Sunday 14th March 2010
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mcbook said:
As for this story, there must be more to it. I live here with my girlfriend and have kissed her in public any number of times. I wouldn't snog her face off in front of a group of locals, but I wouldn't do that in the UK either. In my opinion, they must have been doing so serious kissing in close proximity to locals for this to happen. Not a sensible move and not respectful behaviour anywhere in the world.
Maybe they were ridiculously drunk and ended up making out heavily in public? Wouldn't surprise looking at some of the chavs with cash you get over in Dubai.

Either way, suggesting we boycott our trade with the place or demanding some sort of intervention is laughable. Dubai has a different culture to us where some things go, and others don't. Suck it up.

Jasandjules

69,937 posts

230 months

Sunday 14th March 2010
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If you want to be in another country then you have to abide by their laws. Simple as that is it not?


mcbook

1,384 posts

176 months

Sunday 14th March 2010
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Shay HTFC said:
Maybe they were ridiculously drunk and ended up making out heavily in public? Wouldn't surprise looking at some of the chavs with cash you get over in Dubai.

Either way, suggesting we boycott our trade with the place or demanding some sort of intervention is laughable. Dubai has a different culture to us where some things go, and others don't. Suck it up.
Spot on, I reckon. Some of the characters I see wondering about the malls here make me slightly embarrased to come from the UK. Sleeveless football shirts and the like.

Nothing compared to the Russians though...

Busa_Rush

6,930 posts

252 months

Sunday 14th March 2010
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Jasandjules said:
If you want to be in another country then you have to abide by their laws. Simple as that is it not?
+1

anonymous-user

55 months

Sunday 14th March 2010
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SunderJimmy said:
champ54321 said:
They went to a country where homosexuality is illigal and kissed in public, I have zero sympathy for these morons.
Why can Brits not go to other countries and respect their laws and cultures, rather than getting pissy because is 'not like home'.
I think Charlotte is a bird.
I definitly was only half paying attention when i read that story! They guy in the photo looks like a big of a gheyer so thats prob what did it

Shay HTFC

3,588 posts

190 months

Sunday 14th March 2010
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champ54321 said:
SunderJimmy said:
champ54321 said:
They went to a country where homosexuality is illigal and kissed in public, I have zero sympathy for these morons.
Why can Brits not go to other countries and respect their laws and cultures, rather than getting pissy because is 'not like home'.
I think Charlotte is a bird.
I definitly was only half paying attention when i read that story! They guy in the photo looks like a big of a gheyer so thats prob what did it
Looks and sounds like he is of arab descent too, so no doubt incensed the locals even more. Its one thing having some westerners come and drink and kiss a bit, but when one of your own has turned into one of the western slobs, you are gonna show him up!

fido

16,806 posts

256 months

Sunday 14th March 2010
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Busa_Rush said:
Jasandjules said:
If you want to be in another country then you have to abide by their laws. Simple as that is it not?
+1
+2. You can do what you like inside the hotel room. So i'm told.