Lib Dems... why are they so overlooked?

Lib Dems... why are they so overlooked?

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maix27

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1,070 posts

197 months

Tuesday 30th March 2010
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Watching some of the clips from last night's future Chancellor debate got me thinking.

Everything I've heard from the Lib Dems seems to make sense. They cut through the bull crap spouted by the other two parties, they seem more in touch with what actually needs to be done to rectify the problems Labour has landed us in, they shy away from the usual sniping of the other two (i.e. bad mouthing other parties) and they generally seem like real people who are concerended about the country's well being rather than their own political craving for power.

Why are they overlooked so readily?

I personally hear way too often, 'i like their policies but they'll never get in, so it's a wasted vote'.

If everyone who thought like this voted for them I think they'd get somewhere.

What do you guys think?

Don

28,377 posts

285 months

Tuesday 30th March 2010
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maix27 said:
Why are they overlooked so readily?
Normally because they have some "flagship" loony policy or other that outweighs anything sensible they might come out with.

Morningside

24,111 posts

230 months

Tuesday 30th March 2010
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£3000 a year car taxduty I believe was one of their earlier proposals.

Einion Yrth

19,575 posts

245 months

Tuesday 30th March 2010
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maix27 said:


Why are they overlooked so readily?
On here? This is a car forum, for people who like cars; the illiberal dumbocrats HATE cars. They make Karl Marx look right wing.

chris watton

22,477 posts

261 months

Tuesday 30th March 2010
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I always see them as a cross between labour and the Green Party...

Crusoe

4,068 posts

232 months

Tuesday 30th March 2010
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Pretty vague about most things but they do sometimes make some sense. They would loose most votes on their pro euro stance, would want to change to the euro and lead to more powers going to Brussels. Liberal attitude to crime and punishment while sounding good is also not the deterrent and clearing the crime off the streets by locking people up that most probably want to hear.

Fittster

20,120 posts

214 months

Tuesday 30th March 2010
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The are a leftwing, high tax party. What exactly do they offer that Labour don't?

perdu

4,884 posts

200 months

Tuesday 30th March 2010
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maix27 said:
Watching some of the clips from last night's future Chancellor debate got me thinking.

Everything I've heard from the Lib Dems seems to make sense. They cut through the bull crap spouted by the other two parties, they seem more in touch with what actually needs to be done to rectify the problems Labour has landed us in, they shy away from the usual sniping of the other two (i.e. bad mouthing other parties) and they generally seem like real people who are concerended about the country's well being rather than their own political craving for power.

Why are they overlooked so readily?

I personally hear way too often, 'i like their policies but they'll never get in, so it's a wasted vote'.

If everyone who thought like this voted for them I think they'd get somewhere.

What do you guys think?
Maybe because they are publically too far up the European Union's orifice. I hate the EU with passion even though I love France, two different issues

Their policies on Europe have been a good reason for me to vote "anyone but the above" when I gets to ballotting.

And there's a serious "too much smarm" about Clegg for me too. CMD's bad enough but blimey...

Monki

1,233 posts

192 months

Tuesday 30th March 2010
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chris watton said:
I always see them as a cross between labour and the Green Party...
spot on, the ultimate evil!

speedchick

5,181 posts

223 months

Tuesday 30th March 2010
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Is there anyway to be taken off their mailing list? I have tried returning the mail asking to be removed from the list, but I have to say that Mr Clegg is either unable to compute that request, or he is just blatently ignoring it, and I'm getting a bit sick of it now.

motco

15,974 posts

247 months

Tuesday 30th March 2010
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Their huge advantage is that they can say pretty much anything they like, and more to the point that YOU like, secure in the knowledge that they'll never be in a position to have to actually DO anything.

Einion Yrth

19,575 posts

245 months

Tuesday 30th March 2010
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motco said:
Their huge advantage is that they can say pretty much anything they like, and more to the point that YOU like, secure in the knowledge that they'll never be in a position to have to actually DO anything.
In the event of a hung parliament they'd hold the balance of power, think of that and tremble.

maix27

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1,070 posts

197 months

Tuesday 30th March 2010
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perdu said:
maix27 said:
Watching some of the clips from last night's future Chancellor debate got me thinking.

Everything I've heard from the Lib Dems seems to make sense. They cut through the bull crap spouted by the other two parties, they seem more in touch with what actually needs to be done to rectify the problems Labour has landed us in, they shy away from the usual sniping of the other two (i.e. bad mouthing other parties) and they generally seem like real people who are concerended about the country's well being rather than their own political craving for power.

Why are they overlooked so readily?

I personally hear way too often, 'i like their policies but they'll never get in, so it's a wasted vote'.

If everyone who thought like this voted for them I think they'd get somewhere.

What do you guys think?
Maybe because they are publically too far up the European Union's orifice. I hate the EU with passion even though I love France, two different issues

Their policies on Europe have been a good reason for me to vote "anyone but the above" when I gets to ballotting.

And there's a serious "too much smarm" about Clegg for me too. CMD's bad enough but blimey...
but we're in Europe and there's nothing we can do about it, you can blame Labour for that. Doing anything other than embracing it now is stupid and unrealistic. I don't like what comes out of Brussels, but it's a fact of life now.

With regard to cars, you're right, there are some off the wall ideas, but we all know off the wall ideas never get far. What they have said is they're going to make a dedicated effort to sort out public transport which i think will be of benefit to anyone who owns a car and has to sit in traffic every morning not enjoying it.

Their ideas on Policing, prisons and crime i think are refreshing, let's face it, what we're doing at the moment isn't working.

I think that's my main point: Labour and conservatives are going to do the same things, there is a whisker's difference between the two where Lib Dems are offering some new thinking to a society that is bogged down with politics and too many schemes to do this and that and to try and please the masses... Why not give change a chance, it can't get much worse than this!

Einion Yrth

19,575 posts

245 months

Tuesday 30th March 2010
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maix27 said:
but we're in Europe and there's nothing we can do about it,
If we told them we didn't want to be in their little club any more, what are they going to do, invade?

Davi

17,153 posts

221 months

Tuesday 30th March 2010
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chris watton said:
I always see them as a cross between labour and the Green Party...
yes

Deva Link

26,934 posts

246 months

Tuesday 30th March 2010
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maix27 said:


Everything I've heard from the Lib Dems seems to make sense. They cut through the bull crap spouted by the other two parties, they seem more in touch with what actually needs to be done to rectify the problems Labour has landed us in, they shy away from the usual sniping of the other two (i.e. bad mouthing other parties) and they generally seem like real people who are concerended about the country's well being rather than their own political craving for power.
It's very easy to say the things that people want to hear if you're never likely to have to implement them.

maix27

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1,070 posts

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Tuesday 30th March 2010
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Einion Yrth said:
maix27 said:
but we're in Europe and there's nothing we can do about it,
If we told them we didn't want to be in their little club any more, what are they going to do, invade?
We voted in the party that did this, and it was Labour not the Lib Dems... so i'm not sure what your point is.

maix27

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1,070 posts

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Tuesday 30th March 2010
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Deva Link said:
maix27 said:


Everything I've heard from the Lib Dems seems to make sense. They cut through the bull crap spouted by the other two parties, they seem more in touch with what actually needs to be done to rectify the problems Labour has landed us in, they shy away from the usual sniping of the other two (i.e. bad mouthing other parties) and they generally seem like real people who are concerended about the country's well being rather than their own political craving for power.
It's very easy to say the things that people want to hear if you're never likely to have to implement them.
It also seems immensely difficult for the other parties to say what they're actually going to do after the election in fear of upsetting swing voters... look at the last budget for a great example of this.

maix27

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Tuesday 30th March 2010
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Einion Yrth said:
maix27 said:
Einion Yrth said:
maix27 said:
but we're in Europe and there's nothing we can do about it,
If we told them we didn't want to be in their little club any more, what are they going to do, invade?
We voted in the party that did this, and it was Labour not the Lib Dems... so i'm not sure what your point is.
That of course we can do something about being 'in europe', all it would take would be the political will to do it.
And you think that any party is going to do that?

Edited by maix27 on Tuesday 30th March 12:01

Einion Yrth

19,575 posts

245 months

Tuesday 30th March 2010
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maix27 said:
Einion Yrth said:
maix27 said:
but we're in Europe and there's nothing we can do about it,
If we told them we didn't want to be in their little club any more, what are they going to do, invade?
We voted in the party that did this, and it was Labour not the Lib Dems... so i'm not sure what your point is.
That of course we can do something about being 'in europe', all it would take would be the political will to do it.