Lib Dems... why are they so overlooked?
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As someone who lives in a Borough run by the Liberal Democrats, I can state without fear of contradiction that they are neither liberal or democratic. I could write pages on the b
ks that they spend my money on, but best not to get me started. The scary thing is that our MP is Vince Cable. He looks sensible on the surface, but underneath there is a loony trying to escape...........
ks that they spend my money on, but best not to get me started. The scary thing is that our MP is Vince Cable. He looks sensible on the surface, but underneath there is a loony trying to escape...........Incredible Sulk said:
underneath there is a loony trying to escape...........
You see. Everyone I know has the same view of the Lib Dems. I realise that in parts of the country that isn't true but round my way they've got no chance...And it doesn't help them when they come out with something loony on TV from time to time...which they do. They sound all sensible until the inner madness bubbles to the surface...
maix27 said:
Einion Yrth said:
maix27 said:
Einion Yrth said:
maix27 said:
but we're in Europe and there's nothing we can do about it,
If we told them we didn't want to be in their little club any more, what are they going to do, invade?Edited by maix27 on Tuesday 30th March 12:01
Morningside said:
£3000 a year car taxduty I believe was one of their earlier proposals.
Some libdim was on the radio not long ago claiming that anybody with a second home or holiday home was worse than a war criminal and should be taxed into oblivion, they're envious and tax-happy losers like Labour but with a slightly odd twist.
Incredible Sulk said:
As someone who lives in a Borough run by the Liberal Democrats, I can state without fear of contradiction that they are neither liberal or democratic. I could write pages on the bks that they spend my money on, but best not to get me started. The scary thing is that our MP is Vince Cable. He looks sensible on the surface, but underneath there is a loony trying to escape...........
With the exception of the mention of the MP, I honestly thought you were talking about our council, money seems to run through their fingers like sand, and not aimed at where it's needed.ks that they spend my money on, but best not to get me started. The scary thing is that our MP is Vince Cable. He looks sensible on the surface, but underneath there is a loony trying to escape...........Edited by speedchick on Tuesday 30th March 12:29
Aside from other answers, the Lib DEm is a much more spread out party, there are people who could shift in and out of Labour or the Torys. Clegg is to the right of the party and wants more decentralization and power to be returned to local authorities, with more choice/power for constituents. LDs themselves allow more freedom for their MPs which creates a more diverse party, which hinders on the national level.
Wiki said:
Policies
Clegg's platform for the Liberal Democrats has been both to modernise the party at the same time as maintaining its traditions of political and philosophical Liberalism. Since becoming leader he has called for more choice for patients on waiting lists in the National Health Service (NHS), giving them the option to go private and to be funded by the NHS if they wish; a substantial tax cut in order to "put more money back into the pockets of people", compulsory English lessons for all long-term immigrants, the introduction of the euro into the UK, better action on the environment, the abandonment of Britain's Trident missile defence system in 2010, fixed terms for every parliament, devolving more power to local councils and giving constituents the power to fire their MP if they let them down, a slimming of government across the board and an end to over-centralisation in London.
Clegg's platform for the Liberal Democrats has been both to modernise the party at the same time as maintaining its traditions of political and philosophical Liberalism. Since becoming leader he has called for more choice for patients on waiting lists in the National Health Service (NHS), giving them the option to go private and to be funded by the NHS if they wish; a substantial tax cut in order to "put more money back into the pockets of people", compulsory English lessons for all long-term immigrants, the introduction of the euro into the UK, better action on the environment, the abandonment of Britain's Trident missile defence system in 2010, fixed terms for every parliament, devolving more power to local councils and giving constituents the power to fire their MP if they let them down, a slimming of government across the board and an end to over-centralisation in London.
Well done! It was only ever going to be a matter of time....
cocopop said:
maix27 said:
Einion Yrth said:
maix27 said:
Einion Yrth said:
maix27 said:
but we're in Europe and there's nothing we can do about it,
If we told them we didn't want to be in their little club any more, what are they going to do, invade?Edited by maix27 on Tuesday 30th March 12:01
My three reasons:
- They are pro Euro
- They are ridiculously anti-car
- They want income assessed council tax
I already get taxed through the nose and various other orifices under Labour, they'd make it even bloody worse. The most irksome of the 3 being the income assessed council tax. I already pay far too much in that department and the local infestation of junkies and whatnot means I'd get the priviledge of paying even bloody more since I earn full stop, never mind working bloody hard to earn a reasonable wage.
- They are pro Euro
- They are ridiculously anti-car
- They want income assessed council tax
I already get taxed through the nose and various other orifices under Labour, they'd make it even bloody worse. The most irksome of the 3 being the income assessed council tax. I already pay far too much in that department and the local infestation of junkies and whatnot means I'd get the priviledge of paying even bloody more since I earn full stop, never mind working bloody hard to earn a reasonable wage.
maix27 said:
cocopop said:
maix27 said:
Einion Yrth said:
maix27 said:
Einion Yrth said:
maix27 said:
but we're in Europe and there's nothing we can do about it,
If we told them we didn't want to be in their little club any more, what are they going to do, invade?Edited by maix27 on Tuesday 30th March 12:01
You're the one advocating the Lib Dems
ETA. And you stated there's nothing we can do about membership to the EU, however UKIP seem to think otherwise. I must have missed the part where they don't actually qualify as a real party.
Edited by cocopop on Tuesday 30th March 13:43
cocopop said:
maix27 said:
cocopop said:
maix27 said:
Einion Yrth said:
maix27 said:
Einion Yrth said:
maix27 said:
but we're in Europe and there's nothing we can do about it,
If we told them we didn't want to be in their little club any more, what are they going to do, invade?Edited by maix27 on Tuesday 30th March 12:01
You're the one advocating the Lib Dems
ETA. And you stated there's nothing we can do about membership to the EU, however UKIP seem to think otherwise. I must have missed the part where they don't actually qualify as a real party.
Edited by cocopop on Tuesday 30th March 13:43
maix27 said:
cocopop said:
maix27 said:
cocopop said:
maix27 said:
Einion Yrth said:
maix27 said:
Einion Yrth said:
maix27 said:
but we're in Europe and there's nothing we can do about it,
If we told them we didn't want to be in their little club any more, what are they going to do, invade?Edited by maix27 on Tuesday 30th March 12:01
You're the one advocating the Lib Dems
ETA. And you stated there's nothing we can do about membership to the EU, however UKIP seem to think otherwise. I must have missed the part where they don't actually qualify as a real party.
Edited by cocopop on Tuesday 30th March 13:43
I think it's quite hypocritical to consider the Lib Dems as a viable alternative to Labour and the Tories, and completely write off UKIP. In a lot of people's eyes UKIP have considerably more credibility than the Lib Dems.
cocopop said:
maix27 said:
cocopop said:
maix27 said:
cocopop said:
maix27 said:
Einion Yrth said:
maix27 said:
Einion Yrth said:
maix27 said:
but we're in Europe and there's nothing we can do about it,
If we told them we didn't want to be in their little club any more, what are they going to do, invade?Edited by maix27 on Tuesday 30th March 12:01
You're the one advocating the Lib Dems
ETA. And you stated there's nothing we can do about membership to the EU, however UKIP seem to think otherwise. I must have missed the part where they don't actually qualify as a real party.
Edited by cocopop on Tuesday 30th March 13:43
I think it's quite hypocritical to consider the Lib Dems as a viable alternative to Labour and the Tories, and completely write off UKIP. In a lot of people's eyes UKIP have considerably more credibility than the Lib Dems.
Einion Yrth said:
maix27 said:
UKIP are a bunch of idiots, voted for by idiots or bigots... a slight step away from the BNP if you ask me.
I don't believe anyone did. As a potential supporter of the illiberal dumbocrats it ill behoves you to impugn the intelligence or morality of any other poster.maix27 said:
cocopop said:
Fair enough. However, thankfully your opinion has no impact on their standing as a political party.
I think it's quite hypocritical to consider the Lib Dems as a viable alternative to Labour and the Tories, and completely write off UKIP. In a lot of people's eyes UKIP have considerably more credibility than the Lib Dems.
That's right, and that's why they're taking part in all the televised debates leading up to the election... oh. I think it's quite hypocritical to consider the Lib Dems as a viable alternative to Labour and the Tories, and completely write off UKIP. In a lot of people's eyes UKIP have considerably more credibility than the Lib Dems.
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