Lib Dems... why are they so overlooked?
Discussion
maix27 said:
Einion Yrth said:
maix27 said:
UKIP are a bunch of idiots, voted for by idiots or bigots... a slight step away from the BNP if you ask me.
I don't believe anyone did. As a potential supporter of the illiberal dumbocrats it ill behoves you to impugn the intelligence or morality of any other poster.As an idiot who WOULD vote UKIP if they fielded a candidate round here I would love to see how many Englishmen would follow suit
be prepared for Mr Clegg to lose lots of mates in the House Of Commons
Libs are even more undemocratic than Winky IMO
Incredible Sulk said:
maix27 said:
cocopop said:
Fair enough. However, thankfully your opinion has no impact on their standing as a political party.
I think it's quite hypocritical to consider the Lib Dems as a viable alternative to Labour and the Tories, and completely write off UKIP. In a lot of people's eyes UKIP have considerably more credibility than the Lib Dems.
That's right, and that's why they're taking part in all the televised debates leading up to the election... oh. I think it's quite hypocritical to consider the Lib Dems as a viable alternative to Labour and the Tories, and completely write off UKIP. In a lot of people's eyes UKIP have considerably more credibility than the Lib Dems.
we've both more chance with Sharon than the LDs have next month
I HOPE
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Sharon of course
)
Well i look forward to another 10/15 years of the same old, s
t politics where the party in power is out for nothing more than personal gain and power.
People in this country will work it out one day, I just suspect that it'll be too late.
I have to agree with what people are saying, the Lib Dems have no chance of getting into power. That's as much down to the media and the status quo as it is anything else.
What we need in this country is a political shake up. Can Labour or Conservatives offer this? I think not. Can Lib Dems offer this? I think they are showing signs that they wouldn't be a conventional party and that's what I want to see, a proper shake up.
I want to see politicians who care about the country and the people in it, this may be coupled with a few 'crazy' ideas but, as I said before, our current system isn't working and from what I can see there's no real change ahead.
People in this country are too set in their ways, too acceptable to sound bites and spin and to laissez-faire to really do anything about it, I mean, who wants to rock a comfortable boat? I mean, look at the housing market, everyone is really happy it's back on the up as it's what we're used to. No one's sat down and said, hang on, this can't continue like this.
Essentially what the two main parties will do is hope for a slow assent from the mess we're in and then go straight back to their liberty-taking ways.
The only even slight alternative to this, as I see it, is the Lib Dems. That's why they'll be getting my vote.
t politics where the party in power is out for nothing more than personal gain and power. People in this country will work it out one day, I just suspect that it'll be too late.
I have to agree with what people are saying, the Lib Dems have no chance of getting into power. That's as much down to the media and the status quo as it is anything else.
What we need in this country is a political shake up. Can Labour or Conservatives offer this? I think not. Can Lib Dems offer this? I think they are showing signs that they wouldn't be a conventional party and that's what I want to see, a proper shake up.
I want to see politicians who care about the country and the people in it, this may be coupled with a few 'crazy' ideas but, as I said before, our current system isn't working and from what I can see there's no real change ahead.
People in this country are too set in their ways, too acceptable to sound bites and spin and to laissez-faire to really do anything about it, I mean, who wants to rock a comfortable boat? I mean, look at the housing market, everyone is really happy it's back on the up as it's what we're used to. No one's sat down and said, hang on, this can't continue like this.
Essentially what the two main parties will do is hope for a slow assent from the mess we're in and then go straight back to their liberty-taking ways.
The only even slight alternative to this, as I see it, is the Lib Dems. That's why they'll be getting my vote.
Davi said:
maix27 said:
That's why they'll be getting my vote.
well that's one vote.wow, 100% increase on last time surely?
People also need to bear in mind that they would hold a good amount of power in a split parliament. I'm almost hoping for that, might bring some (proper) democracy back to UK politics.
maix27 said:
The only even slight alternative to this, as I see it, is the Lib Dems. That's why they'll be getting my vote.
Naturally you are entitled to your opinion. I don't think anyone is particularly enamoured of the big two political parties of late. The thought of the illib dumbs getting so much as a sniff at power however scares the bejaysis out of me. Consequently they certainly won't be getting mine, unless on examining the psephology for my constituency it would offer the opportunity to oust the sitting labour M.P. - a purely tactical vote.maix27 said:
Well i look forward to another 10/15 years of the same old, st politics where the party in power is out for nothing more than personal gain and power.
People in this country will work it out one day, I just suspect that it'll be too late.
I have to agree with what people are saying, the Lib Dems have no chance of getting into power. That's as much down to the media and the status quo as it is anything else.
What we need in this country is a political shake up. Can Labour or Conservatives offer this? I think not. Can Lib Dems offer this? I think they are showing signs that they wouldn't be a conventional party and that's what I want to see, a proper shake up.
I want to see politicians who care about the country and the people in it, this may be coupled with a few 'crazy' ideas but, as I said before, our current system isn't working and from what I can see there's no real change ahead.
People in this country are too set in their ways, too acceptable to sound bites and spin and to laissez-faire to really do anything about it, I mean, who wants to rock a comfortable boat? I mean, look at the housing market, everyone is really happy it's back on the up as it's what we're used to. No one's sat down and said, hang on, this can't continue like this.
Essentially what the two main parties will do is hope for a slow assent from the mess we're in and then go straight back to their liberty-taking ways.
The only even slight alternative to this, as I see it, is the Lib Dems. That's why they'll be getting my vote.
Well said. 2 party politics is a pain in the arse. They can have my vote too. We will be in power soon t politics where the party in power is out for nothing more than personal gain and power. People in this country will work it out one day, I just suspect that it'll be too late.
I have to agree with what people are saying, the Lib Dems have no chance of getting into power. That's as much down to the media and the status quo as it is anything else.
What we need in this country is a political shake up. Can Labour or Conservatives offer this? I think not. Can Lib Dems offer this? I think they are showing signs that they wouldn't be a conventional party and that's what I want to see, a proper shake up.
I want to see politicians who care about the country and the people in it, this may be coupled with a few 'crazy' ideas but, as I said before, our current system isn't working and from what I can see there's no real change ahead.
People in this country are too set in their ways, too acceptable to sound bites and spin and to laissez-faire to really do anything about it, I mean, who wants to rock a comfortable boat? I mean, look at the housing market, everyone is really happy it's back on the up as it's what we're used to. No one's sat down and said, hang on, this can't continue like this.
Essentially what the two main parties will do is hope for a slow assent from the mess we're in and then go straight back to their liberty-taking ways.
The only even slight alternative to this, as I see it, is the Lib Dems. That's why they'll be getting my vote.
pkitchen said:
maix27 said:
Well i look forward to another 10/15 years of the same old, st politics where the party in power is out for nothing more than personal gain and power.
People in this country will work it out one day, I just suspect that it'll be too late.
I have to agree with what people are saying, the Lib Dems have no chance of getting into power. That's as much down to the media and the status quo as it is anything else.
What we need in this country is a political shake up. Can Labour or Conservatives offer this? I think not. Can Lib Dems offer this? I think they are showing signs that they wouldn't be a conventional party and that's what I want to see, a proper shake up.
I want to see politicians who care about the country and the people in it, this may be coupled with a few 'crazy' ideas but, as I said before, our current system isn't working and from what I can see there's no real change ahead.
People in this country are too set in their ways, too acceptable to sound bites and spin and to laissez-faire to really do anything about it, I mean, who wants to rock a comfortable boat? I mean, look at the housing market, everyone is really happy it's back on the up as it's what we're used to. No one's sat down and said, hang on, this can't continue like this.
Essentially what the two main parties will do is hope for a slow assent from the mess we're in and then go straight back to their liberty-taking ways.
The only even slight alternative to this, as I see it, is the Lib Dems. That's why they'll be getting my vote.
Well said. 2 party politics is a pain in the arse. They can have my vote too. We will be in power soon t politics where the party in power is out for nothing more than personal gain and power. People in this country will work it out one day, I just suspect that it'll be too late.
I have to agree with what people are saying, the Lib Dems have no chance of getting into power. That's as much down to the media and the status quo as it is anything else.
What we need in this country is a political shake up. Can Labour or Conservatives offer this? I think not. Can Lib Dems offer this? I think they are showing signs that they wouldn't be a conventional party and that's what I want to see, a proper shake up.
I want to see politicians who care about the country and the people in it, this may be coupled with a few 'crazy' ideas but, as I said before, our current system isn't working and from what I can see there's no real change ahead.
People in this country are too set in their ways, too acceptable to sound bites and spin and to laissez-faire to really do anything about it, I mean, who wants to rock a comfortable boat? I mean, look at the housing market, everyone is really happy it's back on the up as it's what we're used to. No one's sat down and said, hang on, this can't continue like this.
Essentially what the two main parties will do is hope for a slow assent from the mess we're in and then go straight back to their liberty-taking ways.
The only even slight alternative to this, as I see it, is the Lib Dems. That's why they'll be getting my vote.
I knew I'd be fighting an uphill battle on PH, I suspect it accounts for a good proportion of the Conservative voting base
maix27 said:
Thanks for the intelligent input.
People also need to bear in mind that they would hold a good amount of power in a split parliament. I'm almost hoping for that, might bring some (proper) democracy back to UK politics.
There can be no intelligent debate on politics. All politicians are self serving, only their colours change. Each side in a debate simply chimes up that they believe their set of colours are true to their word, as you are now with your new found party, no one will ever change their opinion. People also need to bear in mind that they would hold a good amount of power in a split parliament. I'm almost hoping for that, might bring some (proper) democracy back to UK politics.
Lib dems are IMO the absolute worst of the bunch as they are driven by petty envy but without being so open about it as Labour.
maix27 said:
PH, I suspect it accounts for a good proportion of the Conservative voting base
Perhaps, I however have never been able to vote for a party as none of them come even close to my political philosophy. I always have to vote 'least worst', for me LD is really not that vote, unless forced on me tactically. The shakeup that needs to happen is the end of 'representative democracy' dominated by party machines - it isn't representative and it isn't democratic. Sadly I fear I'll be but a fond memory before anything quite so seismic occurs in the field of politics.Davi said:
maix27 said:
Thanks for the intelligent input.
People also need to bear in mind that they would hold a good amount of power in a split parliament. I'm almost hoping for that, might bring some (proper) democracy back to UK politics.
There can be no intelligent debate on politics. All politicians are self serving, only their colours change. Each side in a debate simply chimes up that they believe their set of colours are true to their word, as you are now with your new found party, no one will ever change their opinion. People also need to bear in mind that they would hold a good amount of power in a split parliament. I'm almost hoping for that, might bring some (proper) democracy back to UK politics.
Lib dems are IMO the absolute worst of the bunch as they are driven by petty envy but without being so open about it as Labour.
Einion Yrth said:
maix27 said:
PH, I suspect it accounts for a good proportion of the Conservative voting base
Perhaps, I however have never been able to vote for a party as none of them come even close to my political philosophy. I always have to vote 'least worst', for me LD is really not that vote, unless forced on me tactically. The shakeup that needs to happen is the end of 'representative democracy' dominated by party machines - it isn't representative and it isn't democratic. Sadly I fear I'll be but a fond memory before anything quite so seismic occurs in the field of politics.I also think they're the only party that sees it like this also. They've said a lot about changing the face of politics. I don't think it's the right answer, as above, i think we need a real change, but I see them as a step in the right direction.
Neither I, nor the country can afford the Lib Dems to be in power.
The defence sector would be cut by a huge margin, as our country wouldn't be investing in the high technologies and defence other countries would not want to invest. That is a significant proprtion of manufacturing gone.
As I earn money and own things then I would have to pay through the teeth to live.
If you though Labour would screw the middle Englanders and business, the Lib Dem would do their best to decimate industry in the entire country.
The defence sector would be cut by a huge margin, as our country wouldn't be investing in the high technologies and defence other countries would not want to invest. That is a significant proprtion of manufacturing gone.
As I earn money and own things then I would have to pay through the teeth to live.
If you though Labour would screw the middle Englanders and business, the Lib Dem would do their best to decimate industry in the entire country.
elster said:
Neither I, nor the country can afford the Lib Dems to be in power.
The defence sector would be cut by a huge margin, as our country wouldn't be investing in the high technologies and defence other countries would not want to invest. That is a significant proprtion of manufacturing gone.
As I earn money and own things then I would have to pay through the teeth to live.
If you though Labour would screw the middle Englanders and business, the Lib Dem would do their best to decimate industry in the entire country.
That pretty much sums up why I couldn't even consider voting for them. That, and the photo. The defence sector would be cut by a huge margin, as our country wouldn't be investing in the high technologies and defence other countries would not want to invest. That is a significant proprtion of manufacturing gone.
As I earn money and own things then I would have to pay through the teeth to live.
If you though Labour would screw the middle Englanders and business, the Lib Dem would do their best to decimate industry in the entire country.
In my opinion, they were the original occupiers of the ground eclipsed by Cons and Lab. That of Social Democrats/Collective Liberals.
On the axis of personal freedom, they do not represent an increase over the similar Lab/Cons.
On the axis of economic freedom, they are perhaps more controlling than the similar Lab/Cons.
On the axis of EU, they are fully wanting to go in full bore, like lab/cons.
They are basically Lab/Cons with yellow ties. Apart from fine political tuning.
People who often hear the word liberal think of individual liberalism. This party have nothing whatsoever to do with this.
On the axis of personal freedom, they do not represent an increase over the similar Lab/Cons.
On the axis of economic freedom, they are perhaps more controlling than the similar Lab/Cons.
On the axis of EU, they are fully wanting to go in full bore, like lab/cons.
They are basically Lab/Cons with yellow ties. Apart from fine political tuning.
People who often hear the word liberal think of individual liberalism. This party have nothing whatsoever to do with this.
maix27 said:
And this is only perpetuated by a our current political system, this is why I want some change.
wanting change is good, I agree wholeheartedly. Lib dems are however no different to any other party, other than maybe being a bit more snide and holier than thou with some of their warped ideas.So in essence, you're wanting one thing, but voting for another... same as everyone else in the country.
elster said:
Neither I, nor the country can afford the Lib Dems to be in power.
The defence sector would be cut by a huge margin, as our country wouldn't be investing in the high technologies and defence other countries would not want to invest. That is a significant proprtion of manufacturing gone.
As I earn money and own things then I would have to pay through the teeth to live.
If you though Labour would screw the middle Englanders and business, the Lib Dem would do their best to decimate industry in the entire country.
Indeed.The defence sector would be cut by a huge margin, as our country wouldn't be investing in the high technologies and defence other countries would not want to invest. That is a significant proprtion of manufacturing gone.
As I earn money and own things then I would have to pay through the teeth to live.
If you though Labour would screw the middle Englanders and business, the Lib Dem would do their best to decimate industry in the entire country.
Vince and his gob already wiped thousands of pounds away from ordinary employees in the defence and aviation industry going on about the SFO and BAE for bugger all reason.
They absolutely dont give a monkeys about the ordinary working punters out there. Ive already suffered at the hands of the Vince and the bugger wasnt near power. If the price of them holding the balance of power in a hung Parl. is Vince being Chancellor there will be riots.
DJC said:
elster said:
Neither I, nor the country can afford the Lib Dems to be in power.
The defence sector would be cut by a huge margin, as our country wouldn't be investing in the high technologies and defence other countries would not want to invest. That is a significant proprtion of manufacturing gone.
As I earn money and own things then I would have to pay through the teeth to live.
If you though Labour would screw the middle Englanders and business, the Lib Dem would do their best to decimate industry in the entire country.
Indeed.The defence sector would be cut by a huge margin, as our country wouldn't be investing in the high technologies and defence other countries would not want to invest. That is a significant proprtion of manufacturing gone.
As I earn money and own things then I would have to pay through the teeth to live.
If you though Labour would screw the middle Englanders and business, the Lib Dem would do their best to decimate industry in the entire country.
Vince and his gob already wiped thousands of pounds away from ordinary employees in the defence and aviation industry going on about the SFO and BAE for bugger all reason.
They absolutely dont give a monkeys about the ordinary working punters out there. Ive already suffered at the hands of the Vince and the bugger wasnt near power. If the price of them holding the balance of power in a hung Parl. is Vince being Chancellor there will be riots.
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