Lib Dems... why are they so overlooked?

[Tangent Police]

If you vote for anyone promoting equality and fairness in my opinion, it shows a lack of understanding of economics and human nature. You should not be allowed to register your idiocy on polling day.

The corruption is socialist societies is merely a reflection of human nature when these equality driven eutopians get a taste of power. It's natural, whereas what they preach is totally unnatural and proven not to work.

Rather than dedicate yourself to this crap, how about learning a bit about human relationships and economics.

It's probably what ALL of the people in Westminster could do.....

[JacksHereR]

TankRizzo said:

maix27 said:

So, have views changed with the recent resurgence? People seem to be taking them seriously now.

I know a few of their policies stink but I still see them as the party most focused on 'the people'.

Thoughts?

If you want to see a society where you are punished for doing well and rewarded for being lazy, then vote LibDem by all means.

Their core principle for the election is "fairness". What do you think this means?

I think their idea of 'fairness' is that the richest people should be supporting the poorest (if anyone!). That will never happen due to tax dodging and loop holes, however...
At the moment there are people on benefits enjoying life more than people working in st jobs so there is little reason to work for a lot of lower paid people. This means more people deciding not to work. If you take less tax from the lowest paid workers then there is more incentive for them to work and increases the gap between benefits and work.
Now the same does apply to middle to higher paid workers, but its along way to fall for them that they wont deliberatly make it, the problem is some of them are still getting benefits and raping the system.

Edited by JacksHereR on Wednesday 21st April 12:30

[anonymous-user]

JacksHereR said:

I think their idea of 'fairness' is that the richest people should be supporting the poorest (if anyone!).

I think their idea of 'fairness' is that anyone who works their arse off to buy their own home, educate their kids and save for their own pension whilst being stupid enough to PAYE and contribute to NI which they won't be eligible for should be supporting the lazy, stupid and financially irresponsible core socialist vote.

[JacksHereR]

so the same as what i am experiencing now then. lib dems just make more people join my club, then something might be done about it.

[The Black Flash]

Tangent Police said:

Communitarianism is a great idea, but sadly, in order to facilitate this diverse, inclusive community where everyone is equal, they need to first deny some of the real differences between these people, and then totally ignore human behaviour. It's beautiful in theory, but sadly the theory does not approximate anything out in "the wild".

...which makes it a very bad idea.

They don't care about "the people". They care about appealing to "the people" so that they can have power, so that they can tell "the people" how to behave and how to think. People who think otherwise (not you, Tangent) have not been paying attention.

Nick Clegg & Vince Cable, yesterday:



"...I'll have carte blanche now to create the perfect society...a beacon of order, with the purity of an ant colony,and the beauty of a flawless pearl."

[hairykrishna]

I think the Lid Dems are by far the most pro science of the 3 parties. It's this that's swaying me towards voting for them, despite the fact that I disagree strongly with their stated energy policy and their desire to cancel the Trident replacement.

[s2art]

hairykrishna said:

I think the Lid Dems are by far the most pro science of the 3 parties. It's this that's swaying me towards voting for them, despite the fact that I disagree strongly with their stated energy policy and their desire to cancel the Trident replacement.

Their stated energy policy alone is sufficient to disqualify them.

[hairykrishna]

s2art said:

hairykrishna said:

I think the Lid Dems are by far the most pro science of the 3 parties. It's this that's swaying me towards voting for them, despite the fact that I disagree strongly with their stated energy policy and their desire to cancel the Trident replacement.

Their stated energy policy alone is sufficient to disqualify them.

As I said, I disagree with their energy policy. It can't work.

I think the fact that they're going to ring fence science funding, revise the way science funding is allocated, change the ministerial code on science advisers and publish all state funded research with peer review and open access are all huge plus points.

I also like the fact that they're going to abolish the stupid Digital Economy Bill.

[essexplumber]

maix27 said:

Phil1 said:

maix27 said:

essexplumber said:

maix27 said:

UKIP are a bunch of idiots, voted for by idiots or bigots... a slight step away from the BNP if you ask me.

Maix27. I'm getting the feeling that you lean very much into the left and that you may be a bit of a troll.

Bit of a troll? For having liberal political views?

I was looking for other people's opinions, care to share yours rather than throwing around ignorant comments?

So don't come out with something like this then?

maix27 said:

UKIP are a bunch of idiots, voted for by idiots or bigots... a slight step away from the BNP if you ask me.

I'm allowed an opinion aren't I? May not be palatable but that's just how I feel.

It's not like I haven't put any thought in to it... now that would be trolling.

I sit left of centre, a bit too far left for any of the UK political parties to represent my views.

Anyone who says Labour are left wing is deluded.

I have no problem disagreeing my with my views, I love a good debate and I like hearing the views of others.

Calling me a troll though... give me a break.

If you are a bit too far to the left what are you on a car lovers site for? You and your ilk hate cars, you hate symbols of success, you don't want the guy next door to have 1p more than you. I've just looked at your profile and although you've been on here a while the topics you discuss are rarely car related. Now tell me your not a troll.

[anonymous-user]

maix27 said:

Anyone who says Labour are left wing is deluded.

higher direct taxes, higher indirect taxes, higher borrowing, bigger public sector, more generous welfare.... thats wealth redistribution and its left wing all the way. which bit am i deluded about?

maix27 said:

I have no problem disagreeing my with my views, I love a good debate

thats sure to be a quality debate

[clicdallara]

This was in our local rag

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Home/Labour-candid...

[Willie Dee]

essexplumber said:

If you are a bit too far to the left what are you on a car lovers site for? You and your ilk hate cars, you hate symbols of success, you don't want the guy next door to have 1p more than you. I've just looked at your profile and although you've been on here a while the topics you discuss are rarely car related. Now tell me your not a troll.

Your rediculous.

Maybe the extreme far left could be accused of wanting even distribution of wealth and extremest environmentalists hate cars, but tarring anyone left of centre with the same brush is extremely foolish.

It is akin to saying that anyone who is voting conservative is a Nazi who wants to burn poor people in ovens.

[essexplumber]

Willie Dee said:

essexplumber said:

If you are a bit too far to the left what are you on a car lovers site for? You and your ilk hate cars, you hate symbols of success, you don't want the guy next door to have 1p more than you. I've just looked at your profile and although you've been on here a while the topics you discuss are rarely car related. Now tell me your not a troll.

Your rediculous.

Maybe the extreme far left could be accused of wanting even distribution of wealth and extremest environmentalists hate cars, but tarring anyone left of centre with the same brush is extremely foolish.

It is akin to saying that anyone who is voting conservative is a Nazi who wants to burn poor people in ovens.

Rediculous? Do you not think that some of what Marx27 has is inflammatory?

[maix27]

essexplumber said:

Willie Dee said:

essexplumber said:

If you are a bit too far to the left what are you on a car lovers site for? You and your ilk hate cars, you hate symbols of success, you don't want the guy next door to have 1p more than you. I've just looked at your profile and although you've been on here a while the topics you discuss are rarely car related. Now tell me your not a troll.

Your rediculous.

Maybe the extreme far left could be accused of wanting even distribution of wealth and extremest environmentalists hate cars, but tarring anyone left of centre with the same brush is extremely foolish.

It is akin to saying that anyone who is voting conservative is a Nazi who wants to burn poor people in ovens.

Rediculous? Do you not think that some of what Marx27 has is inflammatory?

I like what you did there...

so what you're saying is that someone can't be left wing and like cars? does it go the other way? If you're right wing you don't like recycling and hemp bags?

In regard to my 'car loving' credentials, i used to work for a relatively well known group of car magazines, i have a strong appreciation of engineering, particularly automotive and have a keen interest in all things car based. I didn't realise there was a test on how much you like cars to post on Pistonheads, especially in the 'politics and economics' sector. Why else would i be here anyway?

Back on the subject. These 'poor people' have been a burden on our society for too long, I disagree with such a massivly burdened welfare state. So far, the Lib dems are the only party who have a sound response to getting these people back into work, with the £10K tax limit and cutting of benefits for the long term unemployed. Having left wing views doesn't mean i'm happy for people to sit around and watch Jeremey Kyle all day, it's about enabling those that want to work. The Labour government places people in a place where it's better off to not work. i want that to change.

I agree that Lib Dem's ideas on cars and the environment are a bit off, but let's face it, they're never going to put all of their ideas in action. If we can get the lower classes working instead of sponging i think we'd be in a stronger society, meaning the well off aren't so burdened in the long run.

[maix27]

So, have views changed with the recent resurgence? People seem to be taking them seriously now.

I know a few of their policies stink but I still see them as the party most focused on 'the people'.

Thoughts?

[anonymous-user]

maix27 said:

the party most focused on 'the people'.

Thoughts?

meaningless drivel. to look after 'the people' government needs to either borrow more money or take more off 'the other people'. any party promising more is going to take more, if you didnt learn that over the last 10 years there's no hope for you.

the ONLY credit i would give the libdems is that (if i remember correctly) they opposed iraq 2 and afganistan. (although i suspect a lack of backbone rather than strategic decision)

Edited by fbrs on Thursday 22 April 18:45